[haunebu]

According to Jews themselves, the war against Iraq was created by Jews (neocons) for the sake of Israel. It was a proxy war for Israel, against the single biggest threat to their dominance of the Middle East. It was sold to America by Jews who inhabit and surround President Bush’s administration (Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer, etc.).

Does anyone else find it alarming that Jews control American foreign policy, and have the ability to wage war with the American military?

[perryp]

It's simplistic to say that 'Jews control American foreign policy', though there is some truth in the statement. I refer you to my previous post here

[christ]

So it turns out that even the Jews themselves think that Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad was right.

No wonder there was a backlash from those that don't want to believe it.

[Zimphire]

Wow the jew hatred in here is thick.

[haunebu]

Really? I certainly don't hate Jews. I'm asking a legitimate question: Does anyone else find it alarming that Jews exert so much influence over our foreign policy that they can, at their whim, wage war using our military?

Don't you think that's just a little bit weird?

[Zimphire]

I think you are letting the voice of few, represent a whole group.

[Spliffdaddy]

Maybe I'm missing something here.

In my entire 37 years of existence I have never given a minute's thought to Jews - good or bad.

Am I wrong for not caring whether a person is Jewish, Christian, Branch-Davidian, or whatever?

Seriously. I couldn't care less if Jews run the show.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by christ:
No wonder there was a backlash from those that don't want to believe it.

Remember, 'denial' isn't just a river in Egypt - it's a river in Greater Israel.

[christ]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Wow the jew hatred in here is thick.

There is no evidence for this statement, whatsoever, in this thread to date, and there certainly wasn't before this ludicrous assertion, unless it was in the quoted article written by Jews, are they the 'Jew-haters' to whom you refer?

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by haunebu:
According to Jews themselves, the war against Iraq was created by Jews (neocons) for the sake of Israel. It was a proxy war for Israel, against the single biggest threat to their dominance of the Middle East. It was sold to America by Jews who inhabit and surround President Bush’s administration (Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer, etc.).

Does anyone else find it alarming that Jews control American foreign policy, and have the ability to wage war with the American military?

Bollox.

Check the NRA blacklist, check the amount of liberal democrats who oppose the war and US Foreign Policy and you'll see far more Jews on those lists than you'll find on the other side. Please don't pick and choose your 'truths' to justify your racism.

[christ]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
Bollox.

Check the NRA blacklist, check the amount of liberal democrats who oppose the war and US Foreign Policy and you'll see far more Jews on those lists than you'll find on the other side. Please don't pick and choose your 'truths' to justify your racism.

So - you don't disagree with the Ha'aretz article, so the Jews control of the US war machine is a given.

By your (unsupported) assertion, Jews control the other side too. (Or otherwise what is the point of your 'far more ...' statement?)

So your point appears to be that the Jews control everything.

Where is the 'racism' (religionism)?

[thunderous_funker]

I would disagree with the peleo-cons' agenda even if they were Unitarian Universalists or Buddhists.

Their heritage is only an issue if you think the only reason they believe what they believe is because they are Jewish. I doubt that could be demonstrated conclusively in any way.

[lil'babykitten]

This is old news. Nevertheless, it is still quite disturbing.

[haunebu]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
Their heritage is only an issue if you think the only reason they believe what they believe is because they are Jewish. I doubt that could be demonstrated conclusively in any way.

Their heritage is an issue because they are are working, in a concerted effort, to support the Jewish state of Israel. I think this is a root cause of the anger that many Muslim nations have against America.

Yes, I do think they are doing this precisely because they are Jewish, to support the Jewish state of Israel.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by haunebu:
Their heritage is an issue because they are are working, in a concerted effort, to support the Jewish state of Israel. I think this is a root cause of the anger that many Muslim nations have against America.

Yes, I do think they are doing this precisely because they are Jewish, to support the Jewish state of Israel.

You're going to need this:

[thunderous_funker]

Originally posted by haunebu:
Their heritage is an issue because they are are working, in a concerted effort, to support the Jewish state of Israel. I think this is a root cause of the anger that many Muslim nations have against America.

Yes, I do think they are doing this precisely because they are Jewish, to support the Jewish state of Israel.

Pat Robertson supports Israel. Dick Armey supports Israel so far he openly endorsed the policy of "Transfer" on national television.

How about all those Jews that are openly against Israel's policies in the occupied territories. Being rabidly pro-Isral and being Jewish don't always go together.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by eklipse:
You're going to need this:

and this....

[kvm_mkdb]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
Pat Robertson supports Israel. Dick Armey supports Israel so far he openly endorsed the policy of "Transfer" on national television.

How about all those Jews that are openly against Israel's policies in the occupied territories. Being rabidly pro-Isral and being Jewish don't always go together.

Exactly. Here in NYC there are many Jews (more than in Israel perhaps) - yet only a tiny minority holds position of power. Most don't agree with the neo-cons and despise Bush.
I do agree with you that the neo-cons have espoused the policy of Ariel Sharon and the Likud, and that, according to their actions, their allegiance is rather to Israel than to the US.

What I can not accept is the idea that 'the Jews' are running the show... they are not. Most people in power are white, yet 'whites' don't run the show.

About the article: I remember reading it back in April - how fascinating what those people (including Friedman) were saying back then compared to what they say now...

Edit: corrected 'majority'

[christ]

Originally posted by kvm_mkdb:
E...only a tiny majority...

An interesting concept!

[swrate]

Originally posted by kvm_mkdb:
Exactly. Here in NYC there are many Jews (more than in Israel perhaps) - yet only a tiny majority holds position of power. Most don't agree with the neo-cons and despise Bush.
I do agree with you that the neo-cons have espoused the policy of Ariel Sharon and the Likud, and that, according to their actions, their allegiance is rather to Israel than to the US.

What I can not accept is the idea that 'the Jews' are running the show... they are not. Most people in power are white, yet 'whites' don't run the show.

About the article: I remember reading it back in April - how fascinating what those people (including Friedman) were saying back then compared to what they say now...

Jews are all over, and are intelligent, whatever the "side" --many from the "outside are peace mongers. The Israeli who died in the last NASA accident....


Europe, someone of the Comission said, was finally over its feeling of guilt towards the Jews.


Censoring,,,
thoughts disappearing


I am jumping in here
tolerance.....

Application of tolerance
commmunication....
I realized passing through a few web discussions,
the lack of it,
free speach.
Its great to be able to have it.


Did the European poll speak to Israel?

Nations to recognize,
Palestinia? Never in polls.
Chechenya? Blackout. .. .
Road map to Afghanistan? Pakistan...
2 years ago, people spoke a lot about it.
nNUKES


Any amendments broken?

Is it in the constitution somewhere to give populations a land?
A right to have WMD?


Aren’t people always entitled to an equitable judgement ----?
Why isnt Gantanamo in the USA?



Israël
The Jacob tribe moving down.
At the time of Abraham,Moses,

the separation between Jew / Muslims came... 2000 years later...

For a long time world’s beliefs were: Animist (polytheists) , Hebraic,
, Buddhist
Christian
Muslim .

Beni Israël. Thorah Coran, and the Bible.
-1300 BC about, glyphic attestations of the shemaou, one of the tribes.
At that time not many wrote, as paper came much later (Arab invention)

The clercs priests scribes kept records: war, victory over the ennemy, marriage, death, births....rituals to hold and more
the Jews used to be literate, many papyri's have been found
where as

the Palestinians, and Arabs wrote a lot only after 700
Both religions are similar, Mohammed *)
Speaks mostly about....Moses, Mwsa,
Many rituals are identical.
and the Thorah is based on Mosaic laws

Erring just to say, some are right some are left, and all want power oil and money and thats the problem. (Whatever the religion)

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by christ:
So - you don't disagree with the Ha'aretz article, so the Jews control of the US war machine is a given.

You're practising pick and choose censorship, you and people like lil'kitten, who have made up your minds. The Ha'aretz article does not say what you are claiming. The newspaper is a mostly liberal journal that sometimes criticizes it's own nation's policies and religion. You won't find Christian and Islamic rags doing the same about themselves.

What the article was pointing out was a few conservatives in the US who support hardline views. Did you notice the first paragraph 'Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it's possible. But another journalist, Thomas Friedman (not part of the group), is skeptical.'?

And the fact you chose to pidgeonhole every Jew with your line 'according to Jews themselves' just goes to show you're a bumbling and obvious racist.

Now address the much larger amount of Jews who are not conservatives rather than a minority. And the vast majority of conservatives who profit from war, oil and territory in this world happen to be of Christian and Muslim denomination. That's what you should be looking at if you want to pidgeonhole people.

[christ]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
You're practising pick and choose censorship, you ... who have made up your minds....

Not at all. I haven't made up my mind (I don't even have a view on the topic - as someone else said, I don't care whether Jews rule the world or not).

It may, or may not, be true, but I don't care. What I see is a lot of people who do care, but not whether it is true or not, but whether it is said or not. This is patently stupid. If it is not true, show that it is not true, and don't call people 'bumbling racists' because they have the temerity to notice what is being said by others (notably Muslim Prime Ministers and Hebrew newspapers).

I didn't 'pick' and/or 'choose' anything.

I didn't 'censor' anything.

Ha'aretz (which is not, as you claim, a 'liberal' anything) declared that Jews made up a majority of the decision-making cell in the White House. Is this racist? If so, it is not me being racist.

I have re-read all of the posts as closely as I can, and I can't see what it is that makes you label me as a racist.

Could you explain?

[RooneyX]

Judging from the last time this 'Jews rule the world' bullshit turned up, you've made up your mind and won't take no for an answer.

My dear, I will now make a statement and will not back down from it. YOU ARE A NAZI.

There, now sue me. Moron.

[kvm_mkdb]

Originally posted by christ:
An interesting concept!

huh?

[eklipse]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
Judging from the last time this 'Jews rule the world' bullshit turned up, you've made up your mind and won't take no for an answer.

My dear, I will now make a statement and will not back down from it. YOU ARE A NAZI.

There, now sue me. Moron.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by kvm_mkdb:
huh?

I believe he was suggesting that 'tiny' and 'majority' are contradicting terms - at least in the context that you used them.

[BRussell]

What utter crap. Is Cheney a Jew? Rumsfeld? Bush? You can pick out a few conservatives who supported the war who are Jewish. What about the legions of conservatives who support the war who are not Jewish? And the legions of American Jews who overwhelmingly lean liberal and in all likelihood do not support the war. Oh yeah, that would contradict this ridiculous theory.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
Judging from the last time this 'Jews rule the world' bullshit turned up, you've made up your mind and won't take no for an answer.

My dear, I will now make a statement and will not back down from it. YOU ARE A NAZI.

There, now sue me. Moron.

[kvm_mkdb]

Originally posted by eklipse:
I believe he was suggesting that 'tiny' and 'majority' are contradicting terms - at least in the context that you used them.

LOL didn't notice the mistake...

[Demonhood]

this thread reeks of prejudice.

or is that spoiled cottage cheese?

maybe a foot fungus?
{smells foot}

no, definitely prejudice.