[Zimphire]

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...=20031027NY114

[eklipse]

Do a Google search for 'jessica lynch rape' and look at (don't click) the top results for evidence of some really sick ****s.

My only question about this story is why we didn't hear anything about this from the Iraqi doctors that first treated her? With all the twists and turns and conflicting reports regarding the Lynch rescue, how can we be sure this isn't just more propaganda?

[theolein]

I don't believe it.

I have read so many conflicting accounts of what exactly happened, ranging from stories of Lynch fighting to the death with her M-16, then being stabbed and dragged to hospital and then beaten (and now raped) there and later being freed in a daring special force operation, through to stories of all her injuries being consistent with a traffic accident and her Iraqi captors treaing her with special care and her finally being recued after all the Iraqi soldiers had left in any case.

I simply don't believe any of them any more. I now think that Ms. Lynch is simply trying to make a buck out of her book deal, with added courage and terror in order to inspire yet more concentrationally challenged news consumers to jump on the patriot bandwagon before it finally runs out of steam when the public finally gets tired of daily deaths for no real reason in the name of a war on terror.

[RooneyX]

Sensationalism = money


She's insulting every real victim of rape by doing this sh-it. She's insulting all women too. She's also insulting that hospital that were anti-Saddam, thankful Saddam was gone, and were keeping US Soldiers in care away from vigilantes.

Remember, it was a hospital. Not a POW camp. This whole media spin and novel industry is pretty sick to spin rape into money. Someone will try to sell this to a movie studio...but it'll never be a movie. War films tread more carefully than that.

[Zimphire]

What, are you claiming she is making this up?

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
What, are you claiming she is making this up?

It's a possibility. With so many differing stories anything goes. When people are hungry for money they'll say anything, especially when lots of 0s are flashed in front of them.

I remember the interviews with the hospital staff. They were totally confused about the whole rescue operation. They said they were looking after the soldiers when suddenly these guys burst in through the roof shouting like it was some kind of movie and cameras were capturing all the action. All they had to do was walk into the hospital.

[Zimphire]

Naw, I know some of the gal's relatives. She lives about a 1/2 hour away from here.

She wouldn't lie about being raped to get more money.

She was raped and sodomized by the filthy pig dogs.

I am sure it was a horrible experience.

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Naw, I know some of the gal's relatives. She lives about a 1/2 hour away from here.

She wouldn't lie about being raped to get more money.

She was raped and sodomized by the filthy pig dogs.

I am sure it was a horrible experience.

I know GW's nextdoor neighbor's cousin's cable repair guy's ex-wife's mom's brother-in-law. He says GW is a Democrat.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
I know GW's nextdoor neighbor's cousin's cable repair guy's ex-wife's mom's brother-in-law. He says GW is a Democrat.

I live in WV, about 1/2 hour above Elizabeth where she lives.

She has family all over the area.

I would have been surprised had she NOT been raped.

This isn't a "surprised" or something that is "far fetched"

[MacGorilla]

It seems odd that this is just coming out but then again, rape is a personal trauma, so who knows?

[Troll]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
She wouldn't lie about being raped to get more money.

READ THE ARTICLE. Jessica Lynch is NOT saying she was raped! Her story all along has been that she lost consciousness during the accident and regained it in Germany. She apparently doesn't remember anything, let alone being raped.

Bragg: “Medical records cited in the book indicate that she was raped.”

It's medical records that are accusing the Iraqis not Jessica Lynch! Whose medical records? Iraqi? American? If American, then we’re expected to believe medical reports of investigations that took place what 2 weeks after her accident? Evidence of that nature isn’t reliable beyond 48 hours especially if it was sodomy of an accident victim. Besides, later on Sawyer says, that:

``The book does indeed cite some intelligence reports that she was treated brutally and a medical record that says, in the book, that she was a victim of a sodomizing rape,''

Suddenly it’s ONE medical record. And intelligence (that most reliable of sources) knew she had been treated brutally but it didn’t know where she was? Which intelligence could it be given that the Pentagon disagrees with the assessment. To call the Iraqi doctors liars on the basis of this evidence is a poor show.

I think she wants to make some money out of her story, but realises that the heroes here are the Iraqi doctors not her. So, she hires a guy who is prepared to use anything to make Jessica Lynch look like the heroine. This Bragg character fits the bill perfectly. Look at his choice of words:

``The records do not tell whether her captors assaulted her almost lifeless, broken body after she was lifted from the wreckage, or if they assaulted her and then broke her bones into splinters until she was almost dead,''

If the report that he’s quoting doesn’t explain her injuries, then not only is it a crappy report, but why does he even mention the possibility that she was taken out in perfect condition and then broken into splinters. Consider, for a moment the Pentagon’s report on the incident which agreed with the Iraqi doctor who examined her saying that all of her injuries were consistent with a road accident. (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...1049-4754r.htm). I used to work as a prosecutor on police torture cases. Any doctor worth his salt can tell you if broken bones are caused from trauma like a road accident or blows. It's BASIC medicine.

For God’s sake, she was a passenger in a Humvee that drove into a parked tractor trailer at 45mph! Anyone with half a brain knows that she was lucky to have survived that kind of accident. That's practically the speed Princess Diana was travelling at. Di was in the back seat of the safest car known to man, in the middle of one of the most advanced cities in the world with doctors on the scene in minutes ... and she didn't make it. The first scenario, namely that Lynch was nearly lifeless and broken when pulled from the wreckage is clearly the most plausible here. The other doesn't even merit a mention!

If this is really what this book focuses on then Jessica Lynch should be ashamed. Presenting third hand, dodgy evidence to sensationalise the story in a way that makes her look good at the expense of the Iraqis that put their lives on the line for her is poor form in my opinion and not befitting of a soldier. By all accounts those Iraqi doctors are the heroes here. They gave Jessica Lynch the best care available, preferring her to all of their other patients. Not only did they drive through a war zone trying to get her back to the Americans so she could get care they couldn't offer, but were shot at by the Americans at a checkpoint. They hid her from the Iraqi soldiers who wanted to take her away putting themselves at risk for collaborating. I mean she was a POW; the soldiers had every right to move her. The doctors said Jessica was conscious and had been asking for jello and all kinds of things. I hope the book focuses on the stuff she can tell us for sure and leaves conjecture and assumptions for the Washington Times!

[Millennium]

If, indeed, she was captured by Iraqi soldiers, then she almost certainly was raped. This is true in just about any war, from any side; the number of female prisoners who are raped at some point during their capture or incarceration is disgustingly close to 100%. Even the number of male prisoners who are raped is disturbingly high, though less. It is not unique to Iraqi soldiers by any stretch of the imagination.

On the other hand, there are schools of thought which say that she was not captured in combat, and the whole thing was more or less staged. If that's true, then her chances of having been raped are lower, but still high.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Millennium:
If, indeed, she was captured by Iraqi soldiers, then she almost certainly was raped. This is true in just about any war, from any side; the number of female prisoners who are raped at some point during their capture or incarceration is disgustingly close to 100%. Even the number of male prisoners who are raped is disturbingly high, though less. It is not unique to Iraqi soldiers by any stretch of the imagination.

On the other hand, there are schools of thought which say that she was not captured in combat, and the whole thing was more or less staged. If that's true, then her chances of having been raped are lower, but still high.

Can you back that up? I've never heard the statistic that nearly 100% of female POW's are raped. Besides, most of the soldiers I've heard of who have been raped are actually conscious at the time! Raping them is a show of power and control.

Can you imagine the condition Lynch was in after this accident? It served no purpose to rape her and I doubt it would have given them any pleasure, even if they DID have time to think about desire! They were in the middle of a war zone, she was unconscious, lifeless and dying, had bones jutting in all kinds of strange directions. I can't imagine why anyone would rape her in that situation. Pretty soon after she was taken, she was in civilian care.

[christ]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I live in WV, about 1/2 hour above Elizabeth where she lives.

She has family all over the area.

I would have been surprised had she NOT been raped.

Is one of those statements a non-sequitur?

Or is your surprise related to where she and her relatives live?

[Zimphire]

The denial in here is thick.

If medical doctors claim she was raped, she was.

Of course I am sure some of you would rather blame the US army of raping her than the Iraqi pig dogs.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
The denial in here is thick.

If medical doctors claim she was raped, she was.

Of course I am sure some of you would rather blame the US army of raping her than the Iraqi pig dogs.

Well at least you've toned some of the rhetoric down. You seem to now acknowledge now that it's not Jessica Lynch that says that she was raped but an unnamed doctor's medical report. One report amongst many. Unfortunately you've now thrown bestiality into the equation which I don't see mentioned anywhere in the article .

It's clear that this author has an agenda and judging by your reaction, it appears that his creative colouring of the facts has the desired effect. Ask yourself why you became so rabid on reading this? Perhaps because he tries to make out as if the Iraqis took her, smashed her bones, raped her and left her to die. Something even he acknowledges is not proven. There's been so much lying around the story of Jessica Lynch; so much manipulation of the circumstances of her injuries for patriotic neo-political purposes, that I think the rest of us are justified in being skeptical.

That said, if the doctors are united in their opinion that she was sodomised while unconscious (thank God for that small mercy), then I would consider that a disgusting war crime that should be punished. At the same time, I think the public needs to bear in mind the lengths to which a handful of Iraqi doctors went to to protect Jessica Lynch. Turning a girl who apparently spent the whole ordeal comatose into a hero at the expense of the Iraqi doctors who did so much for an enemy soldier is similarly reprehensible, as is pasting those doctors in the same contempt reserved for the Iraqi soldiers accused of raping her.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Troll:
If this is really what this book focuses on then Jessica Lynch should be ashamed.

Looks like this isn't what the book focuses on. This is more like what I was expecting to see from her.

[Spliffdaddy]

Now that's a soldier.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Troll:
Well at least you've toned some of the rhetoric down. You seem to now acknowledge now that it's not Jessica Lynch that says that she was raped but an unnamed doctor's medical report. One report amongst many. Unfortunately you've now thrown bestiality into the equation which I don't see mentioned anywhere in the article .

The guys that sodomized her ARE animals.

Nothing was made up, nothing was colored.

No conspiracy theory here.

Your denial of the whole thing says a lot.

[osiris]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
The guys that sodomized her ARE animals.

Nothing was made up, nothing was colored.

No conspiracy theory here.

Your denial of the whole thing says a lot. [/B]

Most of the Lynch story is fabrication.

Deal with it.

'Blonde American Woman rescued from the filthy towel heads' - it makes a great propaganda tool.

Also, four of her rescuers have died, so no good in asking them questions to confirm the story.

We will never know the truth, other than what the governement wants you to believe.

[Zimphire]

Oh BS, if the doctors are saying she was raped, she was raped.

Get over it.

Why people feel the need to side with the sodomizing pig dogs is beyond me.


Not everything is a conspiracy theory.

[kvm_mkdb]

Originally posted by osiris:
Also, four of her rescuers have died, so no good in asking them questions to confirm the story.

Do you have links ?

[Developer]

Originally posted by Millennium:
If, indeed, she was captured by Iraqi soldiers, then she almost certainly was raped. This is true in just about any war, from any side; the number of female prisoners who are raped at some point during their capture or incarceration is disgustingly close to 100%.

This is a stupid assumption.

[osiris]

Originally posted by kvm_mkdb:
Do you have links ?

Tapper dead
Ung dead
Speer dead
Williams dead

RIP

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Developer:
This is a stupid assumption.

I don't think it was a assumption.

There is nothing better to a pig dog than a cute female US soldier that they can sodomize and belittle.

It's not so much a sexual act as it is them just wanting to disgrace her and our country.

That is why she was sodomized.

[RooneyX]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3251731.stm


A US woman soldier who shot to fame after being taken prisoner during the Iraq war has accused the military of using her for propaganda purposes.

A video of US commandos carrying a badly injured Jessica Lynch from a Nasiriya hospital was released at the height of the conflict.

But the 20-year-old said there was no reason for her rescue to be filmed.

She also criticised the release of false information about her capture by Iraqi forces.

"They used me as a way to symbolise all this stuff," she told the ABC television network. "It's wrong."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...nt/3028585.stm

QUOTE:

"There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab wound - only road traffic accident. They want to distort the picture. I don't know why they think there is some benefit in saying she has a bullet injury."

Witnesses told us that the special forces knew that the Iraqi military had fled a day before they swooped on the hospital.

"We were surprised. Why do this? There was no military, there were no soldiers in the hospital," said Dr Anmar Uday, who worked at the hospital.

"It was like a Hollywood film. They cried 'go, go, go', with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show for the American attack on the hospital - action movies like Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

There was one more twist. Two days before the snatch squad arrived, Harith had arranged to deliver Jessica to the Americans in an ambulance.

But as the ambulance, with Private Lynch inside, approached a checkpoint American troops opened fire, forcing it to flee back to the hospital. The Americans had almost killed their prize catch.

[macvillage.net]

Zimphire.

Your making it sound like Rape is an unusual thing.

It's sadly, quite common in all societies. Many women will be raped in their lives. Only a handful will speak out about it.

There was a study a while back that found a large number of women in the military were Raped (not to be confused with sexual harassment) at some point in their military career. Almost none said/did anything for fear of retaliation.


Just a few statistics:
http://www2.ucsc.edu/rape-prevention/statistics.html


IIRC, there were reports of our military's misconduct regarding civilian women, and forced sex a few years ago as well... though that was quckly dealt with behind closed doors.

Playing this as a crime only commited by Saddam loyalists is a bit lame. I'd bet in the next 48 hours, you will encounter:
At least 1 person who has been raped
At least 1 person who has raped someone

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Zimphire.

Your making it sound like Rape is an unusual thing.

He needs to make a comment against non-whites and non-Christians. I've read on another forum some guy say Arabs can't control themselves when they see a blond because they're all dark. There are tons of blonde people in Iraq, Kurdistan, Syria, Palestine, etc. Just because the media wishes to focus the camera on 'non-Christians' and 'dark people' to put fear in the heart of the average middle class God fearing white American doesn't mean blondes don't exist in the middle-east.

So to Zimphire, these are the pig-dogs because of some twisted story he read. But the vast majority of rape commited in White Christian Southern states aren't commmited by pig-dogs, just misguided souls who need Jesus back.

[christ]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
...Arabs can't control themselves when they see a blond...

Italians have a similar problem (only with blondes). I've heard. From a friend of a friend. Which is why so many Italian porn stars bleach their hair

[Spliffdaddy]

Rooney,

There's a proper way to earn a *smackdown*

and then

there's that way you have of making yourself look dumber than the person you're trying to *smackdown*.

At any rate, it's unique and ineffective.

[christ]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
...So to Zimphire, these are the pig-dogs because of some twisted story he read...

No - to Zimph anyone that he doesn't like is a pig-dog, particularly if they are foreign. Because they are probably terrorists (or now, rapists). Just do a search on this forum for Zimph and pig-dog, there are loads of examples.

Remember Zimph, by his own admission, would have been surprised if she had not been raped, so he was expecting this news, and anything that confirms his suspicion will be leapt upon.

I find it intriguing that Rick Bragg is supposed to have written in his authorised book that she was raped based on 'a medical report'.

Presumably this must have occurred in the "[JL] lost three hours. She lost them in the snapping bones, in the crash of the Humvee, in the torment her enemies inflicted on her after she was pulled from it,'' Now if she lost those hours, how does Bragg know that her enemies inflicted torment on her during them? If there was a rape (and who am I to contradict "a medical report"), whose 'medical report' detailed it? How was Bragg introduced to that 'medical report'?

Remember, Zimph, that there have been a lot of lies told about JL already, and doubtless there will be many more, and most of those will go to play on the hopes and fears of the audience, reinforcing the stereotypes that the media rely on to sell.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
<post snipped that had nothing to do with pig dogs sodomizing her>

How does that prove she wasn't raped?

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Zimphire.

Your making it sound like Rape is an unusual thing.

It's sadly, quite common in all societies. Many women will be raped in their lives. Only a handful will speak out about it.

I never claimed otherwise. That however does not justify it.

Playing this as a crime only commited by Saddam loyalists is a bit lame. I'd bet in the next 48 hours, you will encounter:
At least 1 person who has been raped
At least 1 person who has raped someone

I never played it in any such way.

So to Zimphire, these are the pig-dogs because of some twisted story he read. But the vast majority of rape commited in White Christian Southern states aren't commmited by pig-dogs, just misguided souls who need Jesus back

Utter nonsense.

It is a twisted story, because it's true.

And yes, anyone who rapes and sodomized women ARE PIG DOGS.

Stop assuming so much. It doesn't help your credibility any.

I realize there are a lot of lies being told. But when doctors that have examined her said she was indeed sodomized I tend to believe them.

I don't automatically assume everything is true.

Unlike some of you that automatically assume it's a lie. And will even try to justify it.

Sickening.

But of course, if there was as story about how she was really a party slut that did all of the Iraqi captors with a smile on her face, you'd believe it in a second.

[Developer]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
And yes, anyone who rapes and sodomized women ARE PIG DOGS.

We can all agree on that.

But you had it the other way around. Because they are pig dogs they do rape women. That is not appropriate to say about the average Iraqi and Iraqi soldier.

[DBursey]

From the November 7 edition of the New York Times:

In her first public statements since her rescue in Iraq, Jessica Lynch criticized the military for exaggerating accounts of her rescue and re-casting her ordeal as a patriotic fable.

In the book and in the interviews, Ms. Lynch says others' accounts of her heroism often left her feeling hurt and ashamed because of what she says was overstatement.

... asked about reports that the military exaggerated the danger of the rescue mission, Ms. Lynch said, "Yeah, I don't think it happened quite like that ..."

"From the time I woke up in that hospital, no one beat me, no one slapped me, no one, nothing," Ms. Lynch told Diane Sawyer, adding, "I'm so thankful for those people, because that's why I'm alive today."

One would think that any reports of mistreatment by her captors, if true, would be corroborated by Ms Lynch herself. In fact, her claims suggest the opposite; that she was well treated during the course of her hospitalization in Baghdad.

[lil'babykitten]

I find this story hard to believe. The whole episode has been spun so fast it just doesn't make any logical sense.

[thunderous_funker]

So Iraqi soldiers in the middle of a war zone pulled her mangled body from a burning wreck, raped her brutally, and then stabilized her, transported her to a civilian hospital where her bones were carefully set, wounds healed and life saved.

Yep. That makes all the sense in the world.

[christ]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
So Iraqi soldiers in the middle of a war zone pulled her mangled body from a burning wreck, raped her brutally, and then stabilized her, transported her to a civilian hospital where her bones were carefully set, wounds healed and life saved.

Yep. That makes all the sense in the world.

You missed out '...and preserved the evidence so that a medical record would show that she had been raped...'.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Developer:
We can all agree on that.

But you had it the other way around. Because they are pig dogs they do rape women. That is not appropriate to say about the average Iraqi and Iraqi soldier.

I wasn't saying it about the average Iraqi or Iraqi soldier. I was saying it about the people who sodomized her.

[RooneyX]

As long as we can agree that Christian priests who get away with raping boys without even facing trial when their names are known are pig-dogs too and not just some crazed Iraqi soldiers from whom you couldn't expect less.

But I really can't imagine any of them trying to rape a body broken to bits. Someone delivered her to hospital with her uniform still buttoned up, right?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
As long as we can agree that Christian priests who get away with raping boys without even facing trial when their names are known are pig-dogs too and not just some crazed Iraqi soldiers from whom you couldn't expect less.

Of course, they are disgusting pig dogs too.

But I really can't imagine any of them trying to rape a body broken to bits. Someone delivered her to hospital with her uniform still buttoned up, right?

So the doctors are lying? Their medical records are false?

Please.

They would do it just to belittle.

It's not like Americans were treated nicely when captured.

She got off easy compared to some.

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Naw, I know some of the gal's relatives. She lives about a 1/2 hour away from here.

She wouldn't lie about being raped to get more money.

She was raped and sodomized by the filthy pig dogs.

I am sure it was a horrible experience.

That's right, Zimph, Jessica Lynch comes from your neck of the woods, huh?

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I wasn't saying it about the average Iraqi or Iraqi soldier. I was saying it about the people who sodomized her.

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Of course I am sure some of you would rather blame the US army of raping her than the Iraqi pig dogs.

You should make yourself more clear-the above was clearly a general statement about the Iraqis. Whether intended or not, that is how it came across.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
That's right, Zimph, Jessica Lynch comes from your neck of the woods, huh?

Yes she does. Not even a 1/2 hour drive.

[Developer]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I wasn't saying it about the average Iraqi or Iraqi soldier. I was saying it about the people who sodomized her.

Ah, ok. But what you say was easy to misunderstand.

Originally posted by Zimphire:
She was raped and sodomized by the filthy pig dogs.

This sounds like "the filthy pig dogs" are a larger group than those who raped here. Maybe you should have written "She was reped by filthy pig dogs."

Originally posted by Zimphire:
There is nothing better to a pig dog than a cute female US soldier that they can sodomize and belittle.

And this sounds like you're saying she was raped because they are pig dogs. So it again sounds like you are calling all Iraqi soldiers pig dogs.

I agree with you that if she was raped that was a disgusting war crime. But the way you say it you sound like a racist.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
You should make yourself more clear-the above was clearly a general statement about the Iraqis. Whether intended or not, that is how it came across.

It's how some people WANTED it to come across I think. I was obviously talking about the people who raped her.

I mean if you took it out of context you could make it mean a lot of things.

I have nothing against the people of Iraq. I've even made many claims that no matter the $$ it takes, we should help these people.

So if someone thought what I said was being "racist" about the Iraqi people, I would say they were jumping the gun/ and or not taking my past words in mind.

I think some people just look for anything can be considered "bad"

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Of course, they are disgusting pig dogs too.

Why aren't they, the raping pig dog priests, in prison when their names and crimes are known?

[thunderous_funker]

As I read it, this is something from the guy who got paid a chunk of money to write Lynch's book, expecting to make a lot of money.

If she sold the rights to her story, she might not even have the right to challenge his assertion.

She remembers nothing. The author of the book that stands to sell millions of copies infers rape and yet fails to produce any evidence other than some mysterious medical report by an unnamed doctor.

No one is accusing Lynch of making it up. They are accusing the writer of either making it up or being completely mistaken.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I have nothing against the people of Iraq.

Good.

[scoxx]

JESSICA LYNCH RAPE CLAIM CHALLENGED BY DOCTORS WHO SAVED HER LIFE

Iraqi doctors who treated Jessica Lynch dispute claims made in her biography, penned by former NEW YORK TIMES reporter Rick Bragg, that she was raped.

Dr. Mahdi Khafazji, who performed surgery on Lynch's fractured femur said he found no signs of sexual assalult.

[petehammer]

Originally posted by scoxx:
JESSICA LYNCH RAPE CLAIM CHALLENGED BY DOCTORS WHO SAVED HER LIFE

Dude! How can you believe them? They're Iraqi pig-dogs! You know, the enemy...?

Why do you hate America so much? Saddam sympathizer.

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