[villalobos]

There are there to help, no to kill. And they are victims of the hatred some western country action helped to develop in Middle East.
Bettina you have all my admiration and respect.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103202,00.html

"She helped the 55,000 displaced who returned to Ghazni and worked closely with the local authorities. She was much appreciated by the local community for her caring and tireless work," Marie said. "She adored Afghanistan and apparently had said that if anything ever happened to her she wanted to be buried in Afghanistan."

villa

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by villalobos:
[BThere are there to help, no to kill. And they are victims of the hatred some western country action helped to develop in Middle East.[/B]

The article clearly states that she was murdered by Taliban fighters - the same government that refused to allow the US to arrest Bin Laden and instead was willing to fight for his defense.

If she didn't want to be there, she wouldn't have gone there. She knew the risks involved in going to a war-torn country. Furthermore, the UN should have been providing better security for her and their staff - since she was an employee of theirs.

You need to stop blaming the US for everything.

[villalobos]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
The article clearly states that she was murdered by Taliban fighters - the same government that refused to allow the US to arrest Bin Laden and instead was willing to fight for his defense.

If she didn't want to be there, she wouldn't have gone there. She knew the risks involved in going to a war-torn country. Furthermore, the UN should have been providing better security for her and their staff - since she was an employee of theirs.

You need to stop blaming the US for everything.

Did I ever blamed the US? Or the US only? Why do you think the Afghanies should trust the US, OR the UK, or France or Germany for that matter? Did anybody do anything to prevent the Talibans to come to power? Was there any substantial western help after the Afghanistan/USSR war to help the country to rebuild and prosper? The whole western countries are to blame, worry not.
And whatever the US is doing in Irak right now is NOT helping.... Yeah the Talibans are attacking the UN, just the same way the US ignored this organization.

You comment about her not being forced to be there does not deserve any reply. shame on you.

villa

[Echelon]

Originally posted by villalobos:
And whatever the US is doing in Irak right now is NOT helping

It's a bit premature to start judging the success or failure of a post-war Iraq when the effort is still in only the first or second trimester.

[mr. natural]

Posted by Echelon:

It's a bit premature to start judging the success or failure of a post-war Iraq when the effort is still in only the first or second trimester.

Well, from the looks of it here they're going to perform a miraculous Partial Birth Abortion.

[nredman]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
You need to stop blaming the US for everything.

didn't you know...everything is our fault.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by villalobos:
Was there any substantial western help after the Afghanistan/USSR war to help the country to rebuild and prosper? The whole western countries are to blame, worry not.

Who gave the US aid and helped our reconstruction after the Civil War?

You comment about her not being forced to be there does not deserve any reply. shame on you.

Then why did you give this reply?

Regardless, all voluntary aid workers are aware of the dangers - that's what makes there work so noble.

[finboy]

The folks who are doing aid work and helping rebuild are definitely worthy of our respect and admiration, but without the threat of force backing them, they would have no work to do.

The REAL heroes of the war still have to include the men and women who are hanging their asses out over the edge to gun down terrorists.

[jbartone]

Originally posted by nredman:
didn't you know...everything is our fault.

No, no...Everything is Clinton's fault...

[villalobos]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
[B]Who gave the US aid and helped our reconstruction after the Civil War?

I fail to see the logic behind this comment... but nonetheless.
Since I thrive for positive thinking, here is an example of money well spent (unlike the billions sunk in missiles and other Politics ego enhancers).

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/today/110403synchrotron.html

Now imagine what you could have done with all that money that was volatilized in Irak......

villa

[villalobos]

Originally posted by jbartone:
No, no...Everything is Clinton's fault...

Yeah I heard that it was 'that BJ' that decided OBL that the American government was corrupted and decadent beyond hope and that the US had to be annihilated... Hopefully that will make y'all think twice next time.

villa

[finboy]

You laugh, but the whole set of Clinton scandals showed that America was politically weak. And while folks here focused on the "domestic agenda" (in the Oral Office) the international situation deteriorated rapidly.

[thunderous_funker]

Originally posted by finboy:
You laugh, but the whole set of Clinton scandals showed that America was politically weak. And while folks here focused on the "domestic agenda" (in the Oral Office) the international situation deteriorated rapidly.

The facts say otherwise. In particular with regards to Al'Queda. The Clinton administration was very active on the Al'Queda front right up until they left office including Predator fly-overs in attempts to find OBL as late as Oct. 2000.

It seems OBL had the Devil's own luck that the natural transition process from Clinton to Bush opened several windows of opportunity that would have otherwise been closed. A matter of tragic timing, I suppose. A year earlier or a year later, and several key peices of the puzzle would have never slipped through, IMO.

If you're curious, check out the "9/11 probe" thread. Zigzag posted an article that lays out a remarkably detailed timeline. If anything it ends the foolish conspircy theories and reveals how the whole thing really slipped through our fingers.

[petehammer]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
<snip>

Woah, woah, woah... why are you bringing facts into this!?

It's easier to just say "Clinton got a BJ which completely destroyed America."

Knee-jerk conservatism is all about being lazy on the facts.

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by villalobos:
Yeah I heard that it was 'that BJ' that decided OBL that the American government was corrupted and decadent beyond hope and that the US had to be annihilated... Hopefully that will make y'all think twice next time.

villa

I don't think so. The Arab world loved Clinton because he was a sheikh with a two woman harem. One of their kind.

They're scared of Christian fundies though.

[finboy]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
The facts say otherwise.

Don't confuse your opinion with the facts. In my opinion, without regard to revisionism, the Clinton administration dropped the ball on global terrorism. They were distracted. Your opinion differs, and you have a few choice facts to back that up.

The actual RESULTS of Clintonista efforts back up my opinion. The events of 9/11/01 back up my opinion. Those are facts, but it is still my opinion.

[thunderous_funker]

Originally posted by finboy:
Don't confuse your opinion with the facts. In my opinion, without regard to revisionism, the Clinton administration dropped the ball on global terrorism. They were distracted. Your opinion differs, and you have a few choice facts to back that up.

The actual RESULTS of Clintonista efforts back up my opinion. The events of 9/11/01 back up my opinion. Those are facts, but it is still my opinion.

Just when you start to sound reasonable, your mind slams shut like a steel cage to prevent any information from entering that might upset the carefully constructed universe to which you cling so dearly.

I'm sorry to have to tell you that no president can be blamed for 9/11. Not Bush. Not Clinton. Although there does seem to be ample evidence that key players in both administrations certainly missed all kinds of chances at doing their jobs effectively for whatever ideological and partisan reasons.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...333835,00.html

A helluva great job and putting all the pieces together to offer a clear view of exactly what went wrong and where.

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by villalobos:
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/today/110403synchrotron.html

Now imagine what you could have done with all that money that was volatilized in Irak......

villa [/B]

Atlas shrugged.

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
The facts say otherwise. In particular with regards to Al'Queda. The Clinton administration was very active on the Al'Queda front right up until they left office including Predator fly-overs in attempts to find OBL as late as Oct. 2000.

It seems OBL had the Devil's own luck that the natural transition process from Clinton to Bush opened several windows of opportunity that would have otherwise been closed. A matter of tragic timing, I suppose. A year earlier or a year later, and several key peices of the puzzle would have never slipped through, IMO.

If you're curious, check out the "9/11 probe" thread. Zigzag posted an article that lays out a remarkably detailed timeline. If anything it ends the foolish conspircy theories and reveals how the whole thing really slipped through our fingers.

Thats right, Clinton, in a serious way, helped contribute to the 9-11 debacle.

[petehammer]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
Thats right, Clinton, in a serious way, helped contribute to the 9-11 debacle.

We got it, he got a bj, move on.

[Spliffdaddy]

he got a BJ?

I thought he only committed purjury.