[JFischel]

Can andyone shed some light on this. I'm trying to understand what makes Turkey a target with the horrible bombings they have had over the past week.

Thanks,

Josh

[Spliffdaddy]

[liberal]They obviously need to change their foreign policy in order to appease the oppressed folks that were left with no other option but to turn to terrorism.[/liberal]


Seriously, as long as terrorism achieves some degree of success there will be terrorists. Americans were never the only target of terrorists, anyway. Hell, it's rare that we're attacked. Just because a dance club gets blown up halfway around the world doesn't mean it was a message to the US.

Why is anybody surprised that terrorism flourishes when the liberals' first response is to seek 'understanding' of their plight?

Buddy, we ALL have issues we'd like to see resolved. Take a number and wait your turn. No fair cutting in line just because you have a car bomb.

[version]

These attacks are designed to demonise the Muslim peoples, they kill more Muslims than anyone else. Just hours after the first attack a few days ago, the US is saying it was Al-Qaeeda, how convenient, where's the evidence, cause what the US says is a pile of crap these days. We know that Mossad is behind these things, and not some obscure Turkish groups, or the Bin Laden Al-Qaeeda.

All of this has one purpose, iot's so obvious that only a monkey really believes it's these bad old Muslim extremists.

[BoomStick]

The mossad... hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

That is funny. Yeah, Israel really wants to attack and kill Brits.

I suppose it was the mossad that shot the tourists in Israel too.

[finboy]

Originally posted by BoomStick:
The mossad... hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

That is funny. Yeah, Israel really wants to attack and kill Brits.

I suppose it was the mossad that shot the tourists in Israel too.

Sure, it's the Mossad. And the US is just a tool of Israeli aggression. Haven't you heard? It's either that, or big corporations. Or the Neocons.

Seriously, it fits perfectly with what Al-Queda is trying to do in Iraq: destabilize and prevent resolution. Iraq (and by extension, eastern Turkey) is the new Lebanon. Good thing that we got there when we did.

[einmakom]

If you're looking for motive, look at the targets.

The intention of these bombers was to blow up synagogues, Jewish houses of worship. The fact that the bombers hurt more people outside the synagogues than inside points to their inefficiency as bombers.

What happened is, militant Islamic groups came to power a year ago in Turkey and then released hundreds of Islamic militants from prison under a four-month old amnesty.

The mastermind behind these attacks is believed to be in Syria, but there have been some arrests made in Turkey.

So, this is some Islamic militants attacking Jews in their own country, and Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said that the attackers felt close to Osama bin Laden's terrorist network. "It will be determined whether these people worked directly with Al-Qaida or are just sympathizers," Gul told The Associated Press by telephone from Stockholm, Sweden.


Meanwhile, the attacks have been condemned by a Muslim leader- but not for the reason you might hope-

Lebanese ayatollah condemns Istanbul bombing Lebanon's top Shiite Muslim cleric, Grand Ayatollah Sheik Hussein Fadlallah, has condemned the Istanbul attacks, saying they could only benefit the targeted people.

"Our religion and values prompt us to condemn such violence on the general strategic level because no faction or group should move to blow up a religious location as happened in Istanbul recently," Fadlallah said.

Fadlallah, a harsh critic of Israel and the United States, was speaking during one of his weekly audiences with followers.

"It is inevitable that we study the aspect of legitimacy in all this, and the political aspect of the consequences of violence. The parties targeted by the violence may benefit from it more than our causes and people benefit," Fadlallah said.

Fadlallah, 68, enjoys wide respect among Shiites in the Arab world and is the top cleric for Lebanon's 1.2 million Shiites. During Lebanon's 1975-90 civil war, Fadlallah was linked to Hezbollah, the militant group believed to be the umbrella for militants who kidnapped Westerners and bombed the U.S. Embassy.

So, Fadlallah says the bombings are bad, and wrong- not because he doesn't like seeing Jews get bombed (he does) - but because he doesn't want the victims here to get sympathy, or have it backfire on the bombers' supporters.

[einmakom]

Originally posted by version:
We know that Mossad is behind these things, and not some obscure Turkish groups, or the Bin Laden Al-Qaeeda.

All of this has one purpose, iot's so obvious that only a monkey really believes it's these bad old Muslim extremists.

So, you're calling Lebanon's top Shiite Muslim cleric, Grand Ayatollah Sheik Hussein Fadlallah a monkey? Shame on you. You're calling Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul a monkey? Shame on you.

Gul confirmed in a Tuesday press conference that the tracks of the Istanbul terrorists lead to Afghanistan, but gave no details.

[version]

Originally posted by einmakom:
So, you're calling Lebanon's top Shiite Muslim cleric, Grand Ayatollah Sheik Hussein Fadlallah a monkey? Shame on you. You're calling Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul a monkey? Shame on you.

Gul confirmed in a Tuesday press conference that the tracks of the Istanbul terrorists lead to Afghanistan, but gave no details.

And you believe all these statements? How about the obscure Turkish group claiming responsibility? Must have been them since they claimed to have done it, oh, forgot, the Turkish Gov. ruled them out.

Funny how all these great claims come out within hours of the thing happening. Bollocks to the lot of it.

We know it was Mossad, there agents were all over the scene straight afterwards, must be fixing hte evidence, just in case the Turks couldn't find anything.

I wonder how Israel would feel if Pakistan sent in their Secret Service into Israel after a massacre of Palestinians. Makes you wonder doesn't it.

[einmakom]

Originally posted by version:
And you believe all these statements? How about the obscure Turkish group claiming responsibility? Must have been them since they claimed to have done it, oh, forgot, the Turkish Gov. ruled them out.

Funny how all these great claims come out within hours of the thing happening. Bollocks to the lot of it.

We know it was Mossad, there agents were all over the scene straight afterwards, must be fixing hte evidence, just in case the Turks couldn't find anything.

I wonder how Israel would feel if Pakistan sent in their Secret Service into Israel after a massacre of Palestinians. Makes you wonder doesn't it.

We don't know what you claim at all.

What we do know is that Turkey had their own probe, and as a courtesy presented their findings to members of the Israeli Knesset.

Senior Turkish government officials presented the findings of the probe to date to Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin and MK Benjamin Ben-Eliezer (Labor), who were in Turkey Tuesday to attend the funeral of the six victims of the bombings. The two Israelis praised the investigators for their diligence.

We do not know that there were Mossad agents anywhere in Turkey at all. All you've said is that there were, and that some collective inclusive of yourself (who is this 'We' anyway?) - with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

But you're quite happy to call Muslim leaders monkeys for not making public statements in alignment with your own bizarre conclusions.

[version]

Originally posted by BoomStick:
The mossad... hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

That is funny. Yeah, Israel really wants to attack and kill Brits.

I suppose it was the mossad that shot the tourists in Israel too.

Well you must be stupid enough not to believe the deception that goes on. You do remember the bombing of Libya i nthe 80's? You dod remember how France warned the Americans that they intercepted israeli forces planning an operation which would put the blame on the Libyans for a disco being bombed in Europe? You do remember the ex-Mossad agent who has written several books about his time in Mossad and recounted the whole affair?

How better to get the Americans to support the Isralie violence against Plaestinains than to create the illusion that these dastardly Muslims are bombing western people. Just funny how most of the deaths are Muslims themselves.

You do know the Mossad saying, 'by deception... ' go look it up, and your history.

[version]

Originally posted by einmakom:
We don't know what you claim at all.

What we do know is that Turkey had their own probe, and as a courtesy presented their findings to members of the Israeli Knesset.

Senior Turkish government officials presented the findings of the probe to date to Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin and MK Benjamin Ben-Eliezer (Labor), who were in Turkey Tuesday to attend the funeral of the six victims of the bombings. The two Israelis praised the investigators for their diligence.

We do not know that there were Mossad agents anywhere in Turkey at all. All you've said is that there were, and that some collective inclusive of yourself (who is this 'We' anyway?) - with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

But you're quite happy to call Muslim leaders monkeys for not making public statements in alignment with your own bizarre conclusions.

God you are not paying attention. It was on the news, on the BBC, Israel has sent in Mossad agents to 'help' the Turks.

I am claiming not much, but it's amazing the claims put out by the Americans, and Israel so soon after the incident that it was Al-Qaeeda.

[version]

Forgot to reply to your 'We' question. We being those in the world that don't follow the line of what bandy eyed Bush, the Israeli Gov. and the right-wingers put out.

P.s. Just saw on the news, in my home town in Scotland that they ar burning effigies of Bush, and in the Capital.

YES!!!

Burn the fcuker, we just need one of Ariel (pig-dog) Sharon too.

[BoomStick]

Whatever. I'm not going to stoop to your insults.

You obviously have a hatred for the Jews so I'm not going to play with you anymore until you take off the tin foil hat.

[einmakom]

Originally posted by version:
Well you must be stupid enough not to believe the deception that goes on. You do remember the bombing of Libya i nthe 80's? You dod remember how France warned the Americans that they intercepted israeli forces planning an operation which would put the blame on the Libyans for a disco being bombed in Europe? You do remember the ex-Mossad agent who has written several books about his time in Mossad and recounted the whole affair?

How better to get the Americans to support the Isralie violence against Plaestinains than to create the illusion that these dastardly Muslims are bombing western people. Just funny how most of the deaths are Muslims themselves.

You do know the Mossad saying, 'by deception... ' go look it up, and your history.

You look up yours- if you're thinking of Victor Ostrovsky, he's only written one book, was in the Mossad for so brief a period as to not be able to know all that he wrote- most of it was fiction.

If you want to read a real history book, I recommend Israel's Secret Wars by Ian Black and Benny Morris. By the way, Israel had no involvement in the events surrounding the bombing in Libya whatsoever.

Lastly: who are Isralies and Plaestinains that you refer to? I'm just surprised you spelled Americans and Libya correctly.

[version]

oops, double post.

[version]

Originally posted by BoomStick:
Whatever. I'm not going to stoop to your insults.

You obviously have a hatred for the Jews so I'm not going to play with you anymore until you take off the tin foil hat.

haha, god that is funny. If you go through the posts in thsi forum, you'll see that I am in fact Jewish, yup, as Jewish as they come. A supporter of N'turei Karta.

I am against the blatant hypocrisy that is going on just now, and the mis-treatment of various peoples in this world. Your stance, which sounds like it comse from whatever Bush, FOX news, or whoever, is just as much nonsense to me, as mine is to you.

[BoomStick]

The only way you will ever make a difference is strap on a vest bomb and board a bus in Israel, the country you hate so much.

[version]

Originally posted by einmakom:
You look up yours- if you're thinking of Victor Ostrovsky, he's only written one book, was in the Mossad for so brief a period as to not be able to know all that he wrote- most of it was fiction.

If you want to read a real history book, I recommend Israel's Secret Wars by Ian Black and Benny Morris. By the way, Israel had no involvement in the events surrounding the bombing in Libya whatsoever.

Lastly: who are Isralies and Plaestinains that you refer to? I'm just surprised you spelled Americans and Libya correctly.

Nonsense, first of all go back and read my posts in this forum from months ago all about Israel being behind the Libya incident, and the events leading up to it, then come back to me.

Also, Victor's book is conveniently ignored in our mind becuase it obviously takes a view contrary to yours. Your book of recommendation is just one of hundreds on Mossad, I think you'll find many which corroborate his, and a good deal more stories in which Mossad are exposed for what they are.

Victor';s next book looks good.

[version]

Originally posted by BoomStick:
The only way you will ever make a difference is strap on a vest bomb and board a bus in Israel, the country you hate so much.

Projecting aren't we? Who said I hate the country? I have family there, love to visit it, I am thoroughly against the Government however. Does being Jewish make me have to support evil behaviour?

[BoomStick]

So you support the palestineans murdering tourists then.

Nice.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by BoomStick:
So you support the palestineans murdering tourists then.

Nice.

#1. What is a 'Palestinean'?
#2. The gunman was Jordanian, not Palestinian.

[einmakom]

Originally posted by version:
haha, god that is funny. If you go through the posts in thsi forum, you'll see that I am in fact Jewish, yup, as Jewish as they come. A supporter of N'turei Karta.

I am against the blatant hypocrisy that is going on just now, and the mis-treatment of various peoples in this world. Your stance, which sounds like it comse from whatever Bush, FOX news, or whoever, is just as much nonsense to me, as mine is to you.

You love the country of Israel, yet Neturei Karta is against the country of Israel's existence.

Neturei Karta is a small but vocal group of people who demonstrate on behalf of the enemies of Israel and those who would rather we were dead. The reality is that most of them live in the State of Israel, despite their claims that doing so is forbidden.

There is no basis in the Torah for their claim. It is based on a piece of Talmud (Ketubot 110) which says that one of the promises between G-d and the Jewish people is that we will not return to the Land of Israel by force. They claim that the modern state of Israel is a violation of that promise.

In response - firstly, the State of Israel was ratified by the United Nations, therefore is was not by force or against the will of non-Jews. Secondly, some claim that those promises were violated by G-d during the Holocaust and are therefore now null and void. Thirdly, the State of Israel has and does save the lives of many Jews who have nowhere else to go. Furthermore, if anything were to happen to Israel, all Jews around the world would be in mortal danger. Almost any law (and certainly this promise) may be broken in order to save lives.

Whatever the theoretical discussion about the permissability of returning to Israel, today it is a reality. Anyone who lives in Israel or makes Aliyah is not coming by force or rebelling against G-d.

Living in Israel is a Mitzvah according to all of the Halachic books (there is some discussion as to whether it is a Torah obligation to live in Israel or only Rabbinic.)

The fact that Jews of all backgrounds support and endorse the State of Israel, including all the leading Religious authorities is proof that the Neturei Karta are wrong. They remain a tiny percentage of the Jewish world.

Version, your support of them is in direct conflict with your claim to love the country. Either your family there is mistaken for not agreeing with you, or they are also Neturei Karta and hypocrites, or they reject Neturei Karta correctly and put up with you and these mistaken beliefs because you are related to them.

[einmakom]

Originally posted by eklipse:
#1. What is a 'Palestinean'?

Whatever it is, it's closer than version's 'Plaestinain".

[swrate]

Originally posted by BoomStick:
So you support the palestineans murdering tourists then.

Nice.

sorry had to jump in...

if you name the people taking their lands "tourists",
I wouldnt call someone taking my land a tourist.

[BoomStick]

Riding on a bus or swimming in a pool isn't taking someone's land. Eating pizza in a mall isn't taking anyone's land.

But hey, it's your right to side with them. I heard they're taking applications over at the Martyr's Brigade™.

[einmakom]

Originally posted by swrate:
sorry had to jump in...

if you name the people taking their lands "tourists",
I wouldnt call someone taking my land a tourist.

Following the inauguration of direct charter flights to Eilat in 1975, the city became an International focal point of tourism.

From almost anywhere in Eilat, you can observe the Jordanian port of Akaba, which shares a border with Saudi Arabia. South of Eilat is the Sinai Peninsula, linked to the city at Taba, a peaceful border point between Israel and Egypt.

Although the port of Eilat is Israel's southern gateway to the African continent and the Far East, its residents and leading citizens have wisely utilized its location, scenery and climate to make it into a vibrant, lively tourist center, more or less unparalleled in this part of the world._

[Millennium]

Originally posted by version:
the US is saying it was Al-Qaeeda, how convenient, where's the evidence, cause what the US says is a pile of crap these days.

Well, given that al-Qaeda -or rather, a group openly affiliated with them- has claimed responsibility, and there is no reason to believe that they're claiming responsibility for something they didn't do, I think that says a lot.

All of this has one purpose, iot's so obvious that only a monkey really believes it's these bad old Muslim extremists.

Or that perhaps this was never about Islam -or any religion at all, for that matter-, but was just a bunch of psychopaths hiding behind flimsy excuses to kill. Frankly, I believe that their mask is finally starting to slip; they haven't been able to convince people that the US is trying to eradicate Islam, so their excuse is gone.

[thunderous_funker]

I'm not sure which is more illuminating, that some people blame everything on Al'Queda or that some people blame everything on The Mossad.

Something tells me either reaction (long before any facts are in) is politically motivated.

[nas t. ho]

Originally posted by JFischel:
Can andyone shed some light on this. I'm trying to understand what makes Turkey a target with the horrible bombings they have had over the past week.

well, seems like the only things a lot of people here know about turkey is what they learned at thanksgiving dinner...

it is a very "western-oriented" country, with a strong "muslim" base as well. they are the only country in the middle east which supports both israel and the US. the terrorist attacs were once again directed at typical "western symbols" (a bank, istambul (cosmopolitain western oriented), the british consulat etc.).

it is also no coincidence that the attacs took place while monkeyboy was visiting wonderpoodle in london. the terrorits wanted to send out a clear message to the turkish govt.: just say no to the eu, the us, the uk, western values and israel!

last i've heared the investigators there seem to be pretty much convinced that al'queda is behind the two bomings.

they wanted to show their "wayward brother" that it might not be a good idea to be sleeping with the enemy.

[version]

The only ones to benefit from these attacks is Israel.

http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/Op...ticleID=103478

[version]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Well, given that al-Qaeda -or rather, a group openly affiliated with them- has claimed responsibility, and there is no reason to believe that they're claiming responsibility for something they didn't do, I think that says a lot.

Or that perhaps this was never about Islam -or any religion at all, for that matter-, but was just a bunch of psychopaths hiding behind flimsy excuses to kill. Frankly, I believe that their mask is finally starting to slip; they haven't been able to convince people that the US is trying to eradicate Islam, so their excuse is gone.

Not true, several Turkish groups claimed responsibility at first, but of curse, they don't serve any real purpose to the BUsh clans agenda. So hours afterwards, it turns out it was Al-Qaeeda, and if the actual evidence links to some Turkish groups, well, they are Al-Qaeeda backed.

The US needs its big dragon to justify its agenda just now, no longer do they have the Commies.

[swrate]

Originally posted by BoomStick:
Riding on a bus or swimming in a pool isn't taking someone's land. Eating pizza in a mall isn't taking anyone's land.

But hey, it's your right to side with them. I heard they're taking applications over at the Martyr's Brigade™.

sure if i was living there I may....

Sorry, I was generalizing.

I think killing is wrong in all cases.

Israel/Palestinian issue upsets me, where did the “green line” disappear?


I know how I would feel if I couldn’t access my land, if my trees were pulled down, if I was not able to move around my area, if I had to queue hours at check points treated like cattle, if I and my neighbours lost our businesses, if I had to wait to go home to my kids, and more, all this because a wall is being suddenly erected between the village where I work and my soon Ex-Palestinian home.

Daily vexations like that are capable to turn the most patient human’s nerves into a blow up.

I am usually patient but I know under those circumstances I could blow myself up.

[swrate]

Originally posted by version:
Not true, several Turkish groups claimed responsibility at first, but of curse, they don't serve any real purpose to the BUsh clans agenda. So hours afterwards, it turns out it was Al-Qaeeda, and if the actual evidence links to some Turkish groups, well, they are Al-Qaeeda backed.

The US needs its big dragon to justify its agenda just now, no longer do they have the Commies.

skeptical

so many groups may be interfering,
seems harder to make any sense out of who is doing what for who and why.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by swrate:
snip....

I am usually patient but I know under those circumstances I could blow myself up.

As in 'commit suicide' or 'kill civilians while committing suicide' ?


I just wanna make sure I have a clear understanding of your statement before I unleash hellfire and fury.

[version]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
As in 'commit suicide' or 'kill civilians while committing suicide' ?


I just wanna make sure I have a clear understanding of your statement before I unleash hellfire and fury.

You just don't seem to ever grasp it, do you? You're living in a fairly privileged country, you're not so poor, you have rights. Imagine living for decades in which you had nothing at all, could be shot if you just walked out you door at the wrong time of day. You can't, so you can't even begin to know what the mind of these poor Palestinians have become.

Oh, btw, Ehud Barak, the ex-PM of israel once said that if he was a Palestinian, he'd certainly do what they have done. That's probably beyond your grasp though.

[einmakom]

Originally posted by version:
You just don't seem to ever grasp it, do you? You're living in a fairly privileged country, you're not so poor, you have rights. Imagine living for decades in which you had nothing at all, could be shot if you just walked out you door at the wrong time of day. You can't, so you can't even begin to know what the mind of these poor Palestinians have become.

Oh, btw, Ehud Barak, the ex-PM of israel once said that if he was a Palestinian, he'd certainly do what they have done. That's probably beyond your grasp though.

I challenge you to find that quote and cite it so that it can be verified.

Additionally, I noted you chose to respond to everything except my explanation of Neturei Karta, which shows their, and your own, hypocrisy.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by einmakom:
I challenge you to find that quote and cite it so that it can be verified.

http://www.jpost.com/com/Archive/10....Article-2.html

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by einmakom:
I challenge you to find that quote and cite it so that it can be verified.

my. my. well. seems he met your challenge,

[version]

Originally posted by einmakom:
I challenge you to find that quote and cite it so that it can be verified.

Additionally, I noted you chose to respond to everything except my explanation of Neturei Karta, which shows their, and your own, hypocrisy.

I'm sorry, I didn't even read your explanation of N'turei Karta, and once again, the fact hat you dismiss it explains how biased, and uninterested in any view other than yours.

Oh, and the article, it wasn't an article, it was an interview conducted on British TV, by Channel 4 news.

[version]

It's such a famous quote that I did a quick google for it. here you go.

"Another Israeli premier, Ehud Barak, was more professed than Begin. He said, “If I were a Palestinian, I'd also join a 'terror' group” (Ha'aretz, 3 June 1998)"

[version]

Oh, and since you so oft remind me that my sources I use here are bunk, hope you enjoy that this one is from Ha-Aretz, your favourite.
P.s. I'm sure you can ask Channel 4 in the uK for the interview in which he said something similar.

[Echelon]

Originally posted by version:
haha, god that is funny. If you go through the posts in thsi forum, you'll see that I am in fact Jewish, yup, as Jewish as they come. A supporter of N'turei Karta.

I am against the blatant hypocrisy that is going on just now, and the mis-treatment of various peoples in this world. Your stance, which sounds like it comse from whatever Bush, FOX news, or whoever, is just as much nonsense to me, as mine is to you.

you can claim you're Jewish all day long, but I only see hate and rampant anti-semitism, and the mistreatment and verbal abuse of others (and mistreatment is something you just said you're against). I make no such claims.

If you act like a farking brainless animal, I'll rip in to you and let you have it, figuratively. I don't care about your feelings, ideals, or that your mommy weened you from her tit too soon (or perhaps years too late).

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by Echelon:
you can claim you're Jewish all day long, but I only see hate and rampant anti-semitism, and the mistreatment and verbal abuse of others (and mistreatment is something you just said you're against). I make no such claims.

If you act like a farking brainless animal, I'll rip in to you and let you have it, figuratively. I don't care about your feelings, ideals, or that your mommy weened you from her tit too soon (or perhaps years too late).

how many times does your carcase have to get banned before you learn not to do this sort of thing?

[thunderous_funker]

Why Turkey? Because its Thanksgiving, of course!!

[Hugi]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
I'm not sure which is more illuminating, that some people blame everything on Al'Queda or that some people blame everything on The Mossad.

It's instanity. This war has nothing to to do with religion - just plain old hate, ignorance and greed.

- H

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Buddy, we ALL have issues we'd like to see resolved. Take a number and wait your turn. No fair cutting in line just because you have a car bomb.

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
Why Turkey? Because its Thanksgiving, of course!!

[version]

Originally posted by Echelon:
you can claim you're Jewish all day long, but I only see hate and rampant anti-semitism, and the mistreatment and verbal abuse of others (and mistreatment is something you just said you're against). I make no such claims.

If you act like a farking brainless animal, I'll rip in to you and let you have it, figuratively. I don't care about your feelings, ideals, or that your mommy weened you from her tit too soon (or perhaps years too late).

And to think I didn't get the chance to reply to him too, banned, oh well.

[version]

Einmaqom, here you go, this one is from the BBC, which you probably will say is a biased source too, and not credible. It also makes reference to the tv interview. I guess the BBC can't be trusted.

So, em, I guess smackdown to me since you did challenge me to find that quote, and so far have given you multiple places which recorded what he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/62714.stm

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by version:
You're living in a fairly privileged country, you're not so poor, you have rights. Imagine living for decades in which you had nothing at all, could be shot if you just walked out you door at the wrong time of day. You can't, so you can't even begin to know what the mind of these poor Palestinians have become.

The solution to the Palestinian problem is quite simple.

The Palestinians are oppressed by their own leadership, a bunch of totalitarian despots who do not grant rights to anyone under their Authority. Why don't they just kick their leadership out and form a free Constitutional Republic which grants all individuals rights?

[eklipse]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
Why don't they just kick their leadership out and form a free Constitutional Republic which grants all individuals rights?

Where exactly would they form this free republic? Palestinian controlled land constitutes a few islands floating in a sea called Israel.