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Developer · 05:27 AM

Apparently Saddam Hussein has been arrested alive with a false beard in a cellar in Tikrit.

dtriska · Dec 14, 2003, 04:24 AM

Yeah, I just saw the news bulletin on a 24 hours news channel. There's a press conference scheduled for 7 am ET with, I think, the State Department. That's only another hour and a half, so I think I'll stay up to watch it.

theolein · Dec 14, 2003, 04:45 AM

No idea if it's true. I certainly hope it is.

chalk_outline · Dec 14, 2003, 04:49 AM

So we got the guy that did 9-11. Fantastic news.

voodoo · Dec 14, 2003, 04:57 AM

Originally posted by chalk_outline:
So we got the guy that did 9-11. Fantastic news.

You bet!

chalk_outline · Dec 14, 2003, 05:04 AM

Ok, we got the bad guy. Can we please get the real enemy..

mixin visuals · Dec 14, 2003, 05:10 AM

sawwwwwheat

voodoo · Dec 14, 2003, 05:13 AM

saw wheat?

dude?

chalk_outline · Dec 14, 2003, 05:13 AM

Looks like ABC picked this up. It's on now.

Troll · Dec 14, 2003, 05:15 AM

Tony Blair just confirmed it. Excellent news. Glad they got him alive.

chalk_outline · Dec 14, 2003, 05:15 AM

Capture confimed by Tony Blair.

Developer · Dec 14, 2003, 05:24 AM

Good news he's captured finally apparently, and alive even. Hopefully this will bring some quietness into Iraq now.

I wonder where he will be put on trial.

gadster · Dec 14, 2003, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
Good news he's captured finally apparently, and alive even. Hopefully this will bring some quietness into Iraq now.

I wonder where he will be put on trial.

Um? For what?

Developer · Dec 14, 2003, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by gadster:
Um? For what?

Crimes against humanity

alien · Dec 14, 2003, 05:50 AM

I'd like to see a photo of Saddam with the false beard.

Anyway, hope this will help stabilize Iraq.

voodoo · Dec 14, 2003, 05:54 AM

Will the real Hussein please stand up..

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...561435,00.html

will this mean WMD will be found soon?

voodoo · Dec 14, 2003, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
Crimes against humanity

Um and what about the US? The states gonna get out of this scott free again?

Oh and *who* is going to try Saddam?

alien · Dec 14, 2003, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by gadster:
Um? For what?

Genocide against Kurds, invading Kuwait? I hope the trial will be held in Iraq.

voodoo · Dec 14, 2003, 06:03 AM

"British Prime Minister Tony Blair confirmed the news, saying it "removes the shadow" hanging over Iraq."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3317429.stm

Um yeah Tony

Now EVERYTHING is fine in Iraq. NO shadow looming.. no WMD found.. oops did I say that?

Spin on Tony you dog of a monkey.

Developer · Dec 14, 2003, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by voodoo:
Um and what about the US?

I'm not aware of them committing any crimes against humanity.

The states gonna get out of this scott free again?

I don't understand this question. What does "scott free" mean?

Oh and *who* is going to try Saddam?

That's what I have been wondering.

eklipse · Dec 14, 2003, 06:07 AM

Why was everyone looking for him again? I forget.

chalk_outline · Dec 14, 2003, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by voodoo:
Oh and *who* is going to try Saddam?

The RIAA..

typoon · Dec 14, 2003, 06:09 AM

If they Did capture him it WILL be a big Morale booster for the troops there and it IS a HUGE victory for the allied coalition.

Where are the Democrats now saying we aren't looking for Saddam?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105706,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3317429.stm

voodoo · Dec 14, 2003, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
I'm not aware of them committing any crimes against humanity.I don't understand this question. What does "scott free" mean?That's what I have been wondering.

US crimes against humanity (connected to Saddam): Aiding and arming Saddam with chemical and biological weapons to kill the Iranis and later Kurds.

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/scot+free

And yes which court will try Saddam.

voodoo · Dec 14, 2003, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by chalk_outline:
The RIAA..

How inhumane!

voodoo · Dec 14, 2003, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by typoon:
If they Did capture him it WILL be a big Morale booster for the troops there

This is true.

and it IS a HUGE victory for the allied coalition.

..while this is not. Come again when you have WMD mkaay?

typoon · Dec 14, 2003, 06:14 AM

CONFIRMED!!!!!!! As Paul Bremer put it "We got him"

chalk_outline · Dec 14, 2003, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by eklipse:
Why was everyone looking for him again? I forget.

Originally posted by chalk_outline:
So we got the guy that did 9-11. Fantastic news.

My back is sore. I could use a good rub..

voodoo · Dec 14, 2003, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by typoon:
CONFIRMED!!!!!!! As Paul Bremer put it "We got him"

Who is Paul Bremer?

ebuddy · Dec 14, 2003, 06:17 AM

I heard about this @ 3:45am CST.

stoked, very stoked.

I believe he is going to be tried in Iraq.

voodoo · Dec 14, 2003, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by ebuddy:
I believe he is going to be tried in Iraq.

... who cares?

BY WHOM?
(geological placement of trial is not interesting)

gadster · Dec 14, 2003, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by alien:
Genocide against Kurds, invading Kuwait? I hope the trial will be held in Iraq.

Seems like a lot of hoo-hah just to arrest a guy. I was unaware that US legal jurisdiction extended that far, anyway. I guess ya learn sumpin' every day. Did thousands of people have to die for this arrest. Wouldn't a 'sting' operation have done the job? Mossad are good at that stuff.

I mean, if genocide was the real issue here, why all the cr�p about imminent (45 minutes) threats and wmd? Or is there some other, more sinister, agenda behind all this?

After all, they don't seem that bright, the Iraqi military. The Aussie SAS took the whole western half of the country just by using US planes to create sonic booms. Ha ha. Cost effective, too. Although the US did bill us for munitions we did use, the stingy bastards.

alien · Dec 14, 2003, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by voodoo:
... who cares?

BY WHOM?
(geological placement of trial is not interesting)

It's important to the Iraqis themselves to hold the trial, since they were his victims. The Iraqi official was pretty clear on the importance of holding the trial in Iraq.

perryp · Dec 14, 2003, 06:44 AM

Wasn't a fake beard

rjenkinson · Dec 14, 2003, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by voodoo:
... who cares?

BY WHOM?
(geological placement of trial is not interesting)

geographical, my good man, geographical.

-r.

Developer · Dec 14, 2003, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by alien:
It's important to the Iraqis themselves to hold the trial, since they were his victims.

I don't think that is a legal principle.

dtriska · Dec 14, 2003, 07:01 AM

This is big for the coalition forces. Saddam was caught without resistance (not a single shot fired), and is cooperating with US forces. As said during the news conference, the Iraqis will try Saddam and his followers (there's a tribunal either already set up or will be set up soon) and will decide their fates. This isn't going to be a show trial as Saddam and his cohorts will be given access to legal defence.

Beyond that, this should at the very least stop the attacks from most of the pro-Saddam insurgents, especially if Saddam makes a statement calling for the insurgency to end. There are still the anti-American groups, but I think they will be marginalized as Iraqis now boldly assert that they want the violence to end. Saddam's capture removes the cloud of doubt hanging over the citizens regarding their future, and I think the US is now going to receive a lot more cooperation from the population.

gadster · Dec 14, 2003, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by perryp:

Wasn't a fake beard

Hey, are they sure they didn't arrest Santa? That would be tragic.

dtriska · Dec 14, 2003, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
I don't think that is a legal principle.

No, but it's still important to the Iraqis. A lot of this has to do with closure and justice for the people of Iraq, as shown by the declaration of the day of Saddam's capture as Iraq's Independence day.

eklipse · Dec 14, 2003, 07:09 AM

So much for not parading prisoners of war for the media.....

PB2K · Dec 14, 2003, 07:12 AM

he looks like a bum

Logic · Dec 14, 2003, 07:13 AM

First of all:

for a good job. I know a few of my friends in Sweden and their families will never forget this day.

Originally posted by eklipse:
So much for not parading prisoners of war for the media.....

I was thinking the same thing.

theolein · Dec 14, 2003, 07:15 AM

Confirmed! Fantastic! Hang the bastard, but let those who suffered under his years of murder, torture and abuse let them tell their stories to his face in a court or tribunal before they string him up.

Sorry if I don't sound PC, but this once I think they really should string him up, and in fact I think they're going to have a hard tme preventing the Iraqi people from doing just that or worse right now.

theolein · Dec 14, 2003, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by eklipse:
So much for not parading prisoners of war for the media.....

I read on the BBC that there are a number of Iraqis who are skeptical of his being arrested. Showing him in a video clip is a good way to convince people and make a difference now, not in a weeks or some months time.

What difference that will make to the insurgency I don't know, but it should make a difference to those who thought Saddam would or could come back to power.

euchomai · Dec 14, 2003, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
I'm not aware of them committing any crimes against humanity.

Don't follow history much, huh? It's ok, your stupidity will be overlooked by most people in the forum. You'll be allowed to post your drivel and we'll all laugh at your ignorance. Thanks for a nice laugh idiot!

On another note here, (not aimed toward a person) it's awesome to see the people celebrating that he is gone. The hundreds of thousands that were killed and beaten under his regime will come to a stop. It's about time someone stopped this monster.

Developer · Dec 14, 2003, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
Hang the bastard!

On principle, I disagree with this point. He doesn't deserve anything better, but he doesn't deserve the gratification of having turned us into murderers either.

theolein · Dec 14, 2003, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
On principle, I disagree with this point. He doesn't deserve anything better, but he doesn't deserve the gratification of having turned us into murderers either.

Tell that to the Iraqi people, not me. They suffered under him for 30 years, not me, and they don't seem to be a nation or a culture where forgiveness plays much of a role. It's up to them to do with him what they want.

Developer · Dec 14, 2003, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by euchomai:
Don't follow history much, huh? It's ok, your stupidity will be overlooked by most people in the forum. You'll be allowed to post your drivel and we'll all laugh at your ignorance. Thanks for a nice laugh idiot!

I appreciate being educated on American history, but I very much take offense in being called an idiot.

euchomai · Dec 14, 2003, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
I appreciate being educated on American history, but I very much take offense in being called an idiot.

sorry

Developer · Dec 14, 2003, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
Tell that to the Iraqi people, not me. They suffered under him for 30 years, not me, and they don't seem to be a nation or a culture where forgiveness plays much of a role. It's up to them to do with him what they want.

Well, you certainly won't find me start a petition to save his life. But I will not be calling for his execution either.