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PUK, not US, behind Saddam capture
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Dec 21, 2003, 05:38 AM
 
Both the Sunday Herald and debka.com (pro-Israel website) seem to think that the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) caught Saddam first, then held him for a couple of months before releasing him to the Americans.



From the Herald:
For 249 days there was no shortage of US expertise devoted to the hunt. But the Pentagon has always remained tight-lipped about those individuals and groups involved, such as Task Force 20, said to be America’s most elite covert unit, or another super-secret team known as Greyfox, which specialises in radio and telephone surveillance.

Saddam, of course, was never likely to use the phone, and the best chance of locating him would always be as a result of informers or home-grown Iraqi intelligence. On this and their collaboration with anti-Saddam groups the Americans have also remained reticent.

Enter one Qusrat Rasul Ali, otherwise known as the lion of Kurdistan. A leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), Rasul Ali was once tortured by Saddam’s henchmen, but today is chief of a special forces unit dedicated to hunting down former Ba’athist regime leaders.

Rasul Ali’s unit had an impressive track record. It was they who last August, working alone, arrested Iraqi vice-president Taha Yassin Ramadan in Mosul, northern Iraq. Barely a month earlier in the al-Falah district of the same town, the PUK is believed to have played a crucial role in the pinpointing and storming of a villa that culminated in the deaths of Saddam’s sons Uday and Qusay.

In that mixed district of Mosul where Arabs, Kurds and Turkemen live side by side, PUK informers went running to their leader Jalal Talabani’s nearest military headquarters to bring him news on the exact location of the villa where both Uday and Qusay had taken shelter.

Armed with the information, Talabani made a beeline for US administration offices in Baghdad, where deputy defence secretary Paul Wolfowitz was based for a week’s stay in Iraq at the time.

The Kurdish leader and US military chiefs conferred and decided that PUK intelligence would go ahead and secretly surround the Zeidan villa and install sensors and eavesdropping devices. The Kurdish agents were instructed to prepare the site for the US special forces operation to storm the building on July 22.

American officials later said they expected that the $30m bounty promised by their government for the capture or death of the Hussein sons would be paid. Given their direct involvement in providing the exact location and intelligence necessary, no doubt Talabani’s PUK operatives could lay claim to the sum, but no confirmation of any delivery or receipt of the cash has ever been made.

The PUK and Rasul Ali’s special “Ba’athist hunters” have, it seems, been doing what the Americans have consistently failed to do. In an interview with the PUK’s al-Hurriyah radio station last Wednesday, Adil Murad, a member of the PUK’s political bureau, confirmed that the Kurdish unit had been pursuing fugitive Ba’athists for the past months in Mosul, Samarra, Tikrit and areas to the south including al-Dwar where Saddam was eventually cornered. Murad even says that the day before Saddam’s capture he was tipped off by PUK General Thamir al-Sultan, that Saddam would be arrested within the next 72 hours.

Clearly the Kurdish net was closing on Saddam, and PUK head Jalal Talabani and Rasul Ali were once again in the running for US bounty – should any be going.

It was at about 10.50am Baghdad time on last Saturday when US intel ligence says it got the tip it was looking for. But it was not until 8pm, with the launch of Operation Red Dawn, that they finally began to close in on the prize.

The US media reported that the tip-off came from an Iraqi man who was arrested during a raid in Tikrit, and even speculated that he could get part of the bounty. “It was intelligence, actionable intelligence,” claimed Lt General Ricardo Sanchez, commander of coalition ground forces in Iraq. “It was great analytical work.”

But the widely held view that Kurdish intelligence was the key to the operation was supported in a statement released last Sunday by the Iraqi Governing Council. Ahmed Chalabi, leader of the Iraqi National Congress, said that Rasul Ali and his PUK special forces unit had provided vital information and more.

Last Saturday, as the US operation picked up speed, the Fourth Infantry Division moved into the area surrounding two farms codenamed Wolverine 1 and Wolverine 2 near al-Dwar, the heart of the Saddam heartland – a military town where practically every man is a military officer past or present. It is said to have a special place in Saddam’s sentiments because it was from here that he swam across the Tigris River when he was a dissident fleeing arrest in the 1960s.

Every year on August 28, the town marks Saddam’s escape with a swimming contest . In 1992, Saddam himself attended the race. It was won by a man called Qais al-Nameq. It was al-Nameq’s farmhouse – Wolverine 2 – that about 600 troops, including engineers, artillery and special forces, surrounded, cutting off all roads for about four or five miles around.

Next to a sheep pen was a ramshackle orange and white taxi, which US officials say was probably used to ferry Saddam around while he was on the run, sometimes moving every three or four hours.

Inside the premises was a walled compound with a mud hut and small lean-to. There US soldiers found the camouflaged hole in which Saddam was hiding.

It was 3.15pm Washington time when Donald Rumsfeld called George W Bush at Camp David. “Mr President, first reports are not always accurate,” he began. “But we think we may have him.”

First reports – indeed the very first report of Saddam’s capture – were also coming out elsewhere. Jalal Talabani chose to leak the news and details of Rasul Ali’s role in the deployment to the Iranian media and to be interviewed by them.

By early Sunday – way before Saddam’s capture was being reported by the mainstream Western press – the Kurdish media ran the following news wire:

“Saddam Hussein, the former President of the Iraqi regime, was captured by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. A special intelligence unit led by Qusrat Rasul Ali, a high-ranking member of the PUK, found Saddam Hussein in the city of Tikrit, his birthplace. Qusrat’s team was accompanied by a group of US soldiers. Further details of the capture will emerge during the day; but the global Kurdish party is about to begin!”

By the time Western press agencies were running the same story, the emphasis had changed, and the ousted Iraqi president had been “captured in a raid by US forces backed by Kurdish fighters.”

Rasul Ali himself, meanwhile, had already been on air at the Iranian satellite station al-Alam insisting that his “PUK fighters sealed the area off before the arrival of the US forces”.

By late Sunday as the story went global, the Kurdish role was reduced to a supportive one in what was described by the Pentagon and US military officials as a “joint operation”. The Americans now somewhat reluctantly were admitting that PUK fighters were on the ground alongside them , while PUK sources were making more considered statements and playing down their precise role.

So just who did get to Saddam first, the Kurds or the Americans? And if indeed it was a joint operation would it have been possible at all without the intelligence and on-the-ground participation of Rasul Ali and his special forces?

If the PUK themselves pulled off Saddam’s capture, there would be much to gain from taking the $25m bounty and any political guarantees the Americans might reward them with to keep schtum. What’s more, Jalal Talabani’s links to Tehran have always worried Washington, and having his party grab the grand prize from beneath their noses would be awkward to say the least.

“It’s mutually worth it to us and the Americans. We need assurances for the future and they need the kudos of getting Saddam,” admitted a Kurdish source on condition of anonymity. It would be all to easy to dismiss the questions surrounding the PUK role as conspiracy theory. After all, almost every major event that affects the Arab world prompts tales that are quickly woven into intricate shapes and patterns, to demonstrate innocence, seek credit or apportion blame. Saddam’s capture is no exception.

According to Debka.com, there is a possibility that Saddam was held for up to three weeks in al-Dwar by a Kurdish splinter group while they negotiated a handover to the Americans in return for the $25m reward. This, the writers say would explain his dishevelled and disorientated appearance.

But perhaps the mother of all conspiracy theories, is the one about the pictures distributed by the Americans showing the hideout with a palm tree behind the soldier who uncov ered the hole where Saddam was hiding. The palm carried a cluster of pre-ripened yellow dates, which might suggest that Saddam was arrested at least three months earlier, because dates ripen in the summer when they turn into their black or brown colour.

Those who buy into such an explanation conclude that Saddam’s capture was stage-managed and his place of arrest probably elsewhere. All fanciful stuff. But as is so often the case, the real chain of events is likely to be far more mundane.

In the end serious questions remain about the Kurdish role and whether at last Sunday’s Baghdad press conference, Paul Bremer was telling the whole truth . Or is it a case of “ladies and gentlemen we got him,” – with a little more help from our Kurdish friends than might be politically expedient to admit?
     
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Dec 21, 2003, 10:19 AM
 
No doubt the US troops were told where to find Saddam. They didn't just accidentally stumble across him one day.

Prisoner, Kurd, or whatever - they should have been awarded the bounty.

Pay somebody. Even if that person had nothing to do with Saddam's capture. It might improve our chances of getting MORE information in the future. Ain't nobody worried about spending a few million dollars. Certainly not the US military, anyway.
     
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Dec 21, 2003, 12:22 PM
 
Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Pay somebody. Even if that person had nothing to do with Saddam's capture...
Me! me!

Over here! I'll take the money!
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Dec 21, 2003, 05:05 PM
 
Originally posted by christ:
Me! me!......Over here! I'll take the money!
You? I'm the one who told them where to find Saddam. I even gave them driving directions that I obtained through MapQuest.

Rummy - you know where to send the check.
     
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Dec 21, 2003, 05:10 PM
 
I don't care who or how Saddam was captured, and I don't care if the story was "crafted" by our military. This war is being fought through the media as much as (if not more than) the ground. If images of a disheveled, cowardly Saddam being yanked from a hole were what was preferred to better serve our war objectives, then so be it.
     
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Dec 21, 2003, 06:31 PM
 
Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
No doubt the US troops were told where to find Saddam. They didn't just accidentally stumble across him one day.

Prisoner, Kurd, or whatever - they should have been awarded the bounty.

Pay somebody. Even if that person had nothing to do with Saddam's capture. It might improve our chances of getting MORE information in the future. Ain't nobody worried about spending a few million dollars. Certainly not the US military, anyway.
Well said.

But who do you pay if your not 100% certain, and how do you make sure the other side doesn't feel betrayed, and intentionally withold's info from you?

Getting a faction in Iraq to help us, as you say might improve our chances... in fact, it most likely will.

But what about that faction that views the offers as a hoax?

Just a hypothetical situation.

IMHO would be good to see the money spread a bit. Of course there are people in Iraq with info that would be helpful. We need to convince them, after a decade of being told we were the enemy that we truly are there to help, and will reward those who aid us in that quest.

We can't fix Iraq without the Iraqi people. That's a done fact. George Bush Sr. said that himself, according to many, that was the reason he didn't invade then. He didn't feel we could win them over, and rebuild (no exit strategy).

Getting the Iraqi people to help is important. That money may really get some people thinking.

And smaller purses for helping in other ways would be a good idea as well. Even smaller things like reporting weapons caches, potential plots, security issues, even rebuilding community assets (schools, hospitals).

It's clear our troops are spread a bit thin at times with this huge task of securing Iraq. Any help is help. 1 Iraqi working with us means that much less for our troops to deal with.

That can add up quite quickly.

And remember, eventually, they will be on their own, part of the exit strategy, is to get them to be self sustaining.

Encouraging people to actively work with the US/Iraq is important.

These purses may be a cheap way for the military to encourage it.

A dollar in Iraq can go suprisingly far.

We can't have them driving our tanks. But they can get money for helping remove the threats remaining in Iraq.

I'd think that's money well spent. Saves us troops, speeds up the process, and is a positive step towards the exit strategy.

And the more Iraq does for itself, the less concerned Arab states feel that we are occupying. The biggest relief for them was when the Afgan interm government took over, seeing that Afgan was being fixed by it's own people.

Iraq needs that as well.

Easing the hostilities will be key in exiting. And it will be key in getting our troops out alive.

I really don't see a disadvantage to doing it. What's the downside? Leaving quicker? Cooperating Iraqi's? Helping the troops stay safe?
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