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Lerkfish · Dec 21, 2003, 07:09 PM

This CNN story

is highly amusing.

so....apparently, even the terminator cannot unravel the financial woes of the state...what a surprise.

Spliffdaddy · Dec 21, 2003, 09:31 PM

It's difficult to make up for decades of overspending by liberal Democrats - in just a few weeks.

fireside · Dec 21, 2003, 09:35 PM

impose $150 million in spending cuts -- largely in social service programs --

yes, cut the social service programs. nice move republicant.

Spliffdaddy · Dec 21, 2003, 09:41 PM

Um, social services is where they blew all that money.

Damn good place to start cutting, if you ask me.

edit: nobody feels sorry for California's fiscal crisis. Everybody saw it coming.

The government doesn't exist to give you things.

fireside · Dec 21, 2003, 10:00 PM

no. they blew all that money on PRISONS. they took money AWAY from social services and education, and other "unimportant" things for PRISONS. stop getting your info from the media, start getting it from someone who the cuts effected. like my mom.

Spliffdaddy · 10:56 PM

Um, sure they did.

3/4ths (81.3%) of ALL expenditures are for social services and education.

Only 9% goes to prisons.

If you diverted every prison dollar into education - you're still screwed.

Stop getting your 'facts' from the NEA. Their sole reason for existing is to fund the AFL-CIO and the DNC.

fireside · Dec 21, 2003, 10:58 PM

hm. whatever. im still sure that they cut from education.

Spliffdaddy · Dec 21, 2003, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
hm. whatever. im still sure that they cut from education.

Last year's budget only spent 80.8% on those things you feel are important - as compared to 81.3% for the current year. That's an INCREASE in spending. What 'cuts' are you talking about? Something you read about in an NEA or teachers union newsletter?

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Dec 22, 2003, 03:01 AM

Heh.

Come on Spliff- stop trying to apply actual real world logic to things. This is 'government speak' here. You should know that an increase in spending that wasn't AS BIG of an increase as some Sacramento politician dip$hit DEMANDED, is what's known as a 'HUGE BUDGET DECREASE' in government-speak.

And gee whiz, the Governor hasn't solved the state's financial problems in an entire month!!!??!!!?!??!!!!

I'M SHOCKED!! What an OUTRAGE!!!

Wow... and look at that K-12 slice of the pie. Why, Cali must have the BEST schools in the whole wide world if THROWING MONEY at everything is the solution. Right? Right?

Hey, never mind anyone finding out which rat sewer all of that money is actually thrown into. It sure as hell isn�t thrown anywhere near a lot of the schools. But hey, by all means, no one ever ask the hard questions! Just blame a guy who's been in office a few weeks and yell like a banshee for more and more of everyone's paycheck to be further garnished so even more can be thrown down the rat hole.

Yup- just as it never has before- that'll FIX eveeeryyything!

chris v · Dec 22, 2003, 06:35 AM

The headline should read:

Schwartzenegger Causes, Declares Fiscal Crisis.

CV

Lerkfish · Dec 22, 2003, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
It's difficult to make up for decades of overspending by liberal Democrats - in just a few weeks.

LOL! but isn't that exactly what the RNC-sponsored recall election was trying to sell the public? That removing one man would solve the problem?

That is my point.

The fact is, the financial crisis was not brought on by one man and cannot be fixed by one man, its due to a wide plethora of variables, nearly none of which are controllable directly by the governor.

The RNC-sponsored recall had nothing to do with fixing the financial crisis, it had to do with getting a republican in the office they lost in the regular election. Everything else is a sham they sold to the gullible public.

yakkiebah · Dec 22, 2003, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
LOL! but isn't that exactly what the RNC-sponsored recall election was trying to sell the public? That removing one man would solve the problem?

That is my point.

The fact is, the financial crisis was not brought on by one man and cannot be fixed by one man, its due to a wide plethora of variables, nearly none of which are controllable directly by the governor.

The RNC-sponsored recall had nothing to do with fixing the financial crisis, it had to do with getting a republican in the office they lost in the regular election. Everything else is a sham they sold to the gullible public.

bingo.

So how much time has Arnold before he can be recalled?

SimeyTheLimey · Dec 22, 2003, 08:27 AM

Why does anyone outside of California care who the govenor is, or what party he is from?

Lerkfish · 08:51 AM

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
Why does anyone outside of California care who the govenor is, or what party he is from?

Its a political forum. The topic is political.
Its about a politician. Its indicative of political realities that face political strategies in every state.

hm. is it your intention to shut down every thread I start around here?

Because that would be rather petty and childish, if so.

SimeyTheLimey · Dec 22, 2003, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
Its a political forum. The topic is political.
Its about a politician. Its indicative of political realities that face political strategies in every state.

hm. is it your intention to shut down every thread I start around here?

No, and are you the only non-Californian to post here? Hint: look at the location of the poster in the post above mine.

Lerk, you may have started the thread, but it is not *your* thread. Don't assume that everything posted in it is directed at you.

Lerkfish · Dec 22, 2003, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
No, and are you the only non-Californian to post here? Hint: look at the location of the poster in the post above mine.

Lerk, you may have started the thread, but it is not *your* thread. Don't assume that everything posted in it is directed at you.

right. and you don't have a vendetta against me. you don't personally attack me in every thread I start.

okeydoke, glad we got that established.

spacefreak · Dec 22, 2003, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
so....apparently, even the terminator cannot unravel the financial woes of the state...what a surprise.

If you read and understood the article, you'd see that this a step taken by the governor to help California's financial situation. Besides, no one claimed California's budgetary problems would be remedied overnight. Most understand that the road to recovery will be long and arduous.

SimeyTheLimey · Dec 22, 2003, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
right. and you don't have a vendetta against me. you don't personally attack me in every thread I start.

okeydoke, glad we got that established.

No I don't, not on either account. Not that this will prevent you from accusing me of this every time I post anything in any thread you claim is yours.

Do me a favor, put me back on ignore please. At least it will stop these silly attacks.

Lerkfish · Dec 22, 2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
No I don't, not on either account. Not that this will prevent you from accusing me of this every time I post anything in any thread you claim is yours.

Do me a favor, put me back on ignore please. At least it will stop these silly attacks.

typical passive aggressive BS.
how about instead you stop trying to derail every thread I start? how about the offender stop offending instead of the target getting better at ignoring>?

Spliffdaddy · Dec 22, 2003, 09:42 AM

damn.

take your medicine or something.

I think I speak for everyone when I say Simey isn't out to get you.

But the neocons certainly are.

chris v · Dec 22, 2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
No, and are you the only non-Californian to post here? Hint: look at the location of the poster in the post above mine.

Lerk, you may have started the thread, but it is not *your* thread. Don't assume that everything posted in it is directed at you.

I'm an ex-Californian, and I want Lerk to post all the topics about California that he possibly can. I find them intensely interesting and informative.

There, validation.

CV

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Dec 22, 2003, 10:15 AM

I just got my copy of the 'Neocon World Domination' newsletter this morning along with my 'Unlimited Free Iraqi Oil' Mobile Card. (Membership does have it's privileges!)

Yep, here it is, page one: The 'Getting Lerkfish' objective has been stepped up from an olive drab, to a vibrant 'Code Chartreuse'.

Prong ninety seven was already put into phase by ousting Davis for the sole purpose of upsetting Lerkfish.

BRussell · Dec 22, 2003, 10:26 AM

The budget situation was mostly taken care of before Arnie came into office. Then he makes it worse by having a tax cut. Then he declares a crisis. Brilliant.

SimeyTheLimey · Dec 22, 2003, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by chris v:
I'm an ex-Californian, and I want Lerk to post all the topics about California that he possibly can. I find them intensely interesting and informative.

There, validation.

CV

I suppose.

What about that Govenor Warner. How about him?

chris v · Dec 22, 2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
I suppose.

What about that Govenor Warner. How about him?

Who? Inform me. Maybe in another thread, though.

1. Ahnold cancels auto tax, creating immediate fiscal crisis. 2. Ahnold declares fiscal crisis, cuts discretionary spending. Sure, the auto tax was unpopular, but it doesn't appear he had much of a "plan" other than 1 and 2.

CV

thunderous_funker · Dec 22, 2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by chris v:
Who? Inform me. Maybe in another thread, though.

1. Ahnold cancels auto tax, creating immediate fiscal crisis. 2. Ahnold declares fiscal crisis, cuts discretionary spending. Sure, the auto tax was unpopular, but it doesn't appear he had much of a "plan" other than 1 and 2.

CV

That's because his election promises were to fix everything without raising taxes AND without cutting spending on programs that represent almost all of the descretionary spending.

As for blame, how about putting some of the short-sighted electorate that demands spending in one reforendum but then denies any real revenue for the state in the next reforendum.

The Mick · Dec 22, 2003, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE:
I just got my copy of the 'Neocon World Domination' newsletter this morning along with my 'Unlimited Free Iraqi Oil' Mobile Card. (Membership does have it's privileges!)

Yep, here it is, page one: The 'Getting Lerkfish' objective has been stepped up from an olive drab, to a vibrant 'Code Chartreuse'.

Prong ninety seven was already put into phase by ousting Davis for the sole purpose of upsetting Lerkfish.

I knew it! All my suspicions were true!

itai195 · Dec 22, 2003, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
That's because his election promises were to fix everything without raising taxes AND without cutting spending on programs that represent almost all of the descretionary spending.

I only recall him promising not to cut spending on education (which nobody really believed, but anyway), other programs were always an option. Do you have a link to info saying otherwise?

itai195 · Dec 22, 2003, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by BRussell:
The budget situation was mostly taken care of before Arnie came into office. Then he makes it worse by having a tax cut. Then he declares a crisis. Brilliant.

That's because Californians overwhelmingly thought the car tax was an unfair tax. I'm not against raising other taxes, but I think it's ridiculous to have to pay over $500 for car registration.

Lerkfish · Dec 23, 2003, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
I suppose.

What about that Govenor Warner. How about him?

no problem. start another thread about Governor Warner or discuss him in this one.... It IS a political forum, anything about politics should be fair game.

BRussell · Dec 23, 2003, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by itai195:
That's because Californians overwhelmingly thought the car tax was an unfair tax. I'm not against raising other taxes, but I think it's ridiculous to have to pay over $500 for car registration.

That's fine. All taxes suck. But it doesn't change the fact that Arnie worsened the budget situation by doing it.

itai195 · Dec 23, 2003, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by BRussell:
That's fine. All taxes suck. But it doesn't change the fact that Arnie worsened the budget situation by doing it.

Sure, but that doesn't really take context into account. Tripling the car tax was never a satisfactory solution to Californians, and Arnie promised all along that he'd repeal it... Now, if he doesn't make significant other cuts to make up for it (which he also promised) then I'll agree that he hasn't done his job.

thunderous_funker · Dec 23, 2003, 12:33 PM

From the Sacramento Bee:

"The more useful number is $14 billion. That�s the amount of the structural gap between spending and revenues that Arduin says will exist in 2004-05 if Schwarzenegger rolls back the car tax, makes local governments whole for the money they�d lose in the deal, and leaves everything else as is."

<snip>

"And so, if Schwarzenegger is somehow going to balance the budget while cutting the car tax and increasing no other taxes, he must cut $4 billion, or about 5 percent, from this year�s spending (with half the year already gone), and then freeze spending for the following year. But programmed spending, absent any changes in law, is already projected to rise on its own to $87 billion in the fiscal year that begins July 1. So he must cut $14 billion, or 16 percent, from that number. And if he is going to leave untouched school spending dictated by Proposition 98, he must cut his $14 billion from $56 billion, which is the projected spending for the non-education part of the budget. That�s a reduction of 25 percent.

A task of Herculean proportions. I think its impossible. And I think Arnold knows that its impossible which is why his first move was to try and borrow between $11-20 Billion.

itai195 · Dec 23, 2003, 12:39 PM

He's going to have to increase taxes, there's almost no doubt about it.

tie · Mar 3, 2004, 12:45 AM

Good for Schwarzenegger!

He's managed to please everybody. Cut almost no spending -- apparently there wasn't as much waste in California's government as he (and Crash Harddrive) thought -- cut taxes, and borrow the difference. $15 billion in bonds to cover his budget deficit.

Gotta love Republican economic policies. I don't know why we should pay any taxes at all, can't our kids pay for it?

CRASH HARDDRIVE · 01:54 AM

Originally posted by tie:
[B]Good for Schwarzenegger!

He's managed to please everybody. Cut almost no spending -- apparently there wasn't as much waste in California's government as he (and Crash Harddrive) thought

Gee really?

Problem solved I guess then!

So ya think now bitter leftists who don't even live here will stop WHINING ABOUT IT now?

You gotta love this- this thread was started back in December, with the usual suspects grouching about Arnold not automagically fixing something that wasn't even voted on until TODAY!

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Mar 3, 2004, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
If you read and understood the article, you'd see that this a step taken by the governor to help California's financial situation. Besides, no one claimed California's budgetary problems would be remedied overnight. Most understand that the road to recovery will be long and arduous.

Too funny. Here's PROOF that this very point was brought up back in December (and I'm sure well before then as well)- yet only last week certain folks grouching over California were arguing with me over this very thing and denying that the recall wasn't an OVERNIGHT(my exact words)fix and acting as if mentioning that was a point no one ever brought up before.

Heh. By the way thanks for dredging up this old thread tie. Good for some laughs! That Spliffdaddy 'pie-chart-in-the-face' smackdown ranks up there with the all time classics!

theolein · Mar 3, 2004, 08:23 AM

I don't care whether Ahnuld turns out to be a closet gay who's set his sights on male domination, nor do I really care, obviously, about californian politics, whether or not a little board nazi wants me to post on the subject or not, but Crash Harddrive's manic defensive mania about the period required to fix Califronia's fiscal crisis remind me of the defensive mania that erupted when it started becoming obvious that there were no WMD in Iraq. Quote: "It's only been a month sincse they've been in Iraq. Talk to me about it in 6 months".

So Crash, how long should Ahnuld be given? Would 6 months be enough, or 1 year, or 4 years? When, in your sharp, and of course not twisted, Republican mind, would it be time to take stock? If California were to recover in a couple of years, I'm sure you would feel vindicated, but what if Ahnuld can't manage it? What if it gets worse? Are you going to blame the left/liberals/Democrats?

fizzlemynizzle · Mar 3, 2004, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by chris v:
Who? Inform me. Maybe in another thread, though.

1. Ahnold cancels auto tax, creating immediate fiscal crisis. 2. Ahnold declares fiscal crisis, cuts discretionary spending. Sure, the auto tax was unpopular, but it doesn't appear he had much of a "plan" other than 1 and 2.

CV

Are you seriously trying to claim there was no "immediate fiscal crisis" in California before the registration tax was repealed?

Let me ask you, next time you register your car are you going to pay at the older, higher rate? Or are you going to take the cut gladly but continue to say it's bad and caused an "immediate fiscal crisis"?

TheWorldIsFlat · Mar 3, 2004, 08:42 AM

California has so many millionaires sitting on tons of useless cash that its silly. The whole state could be a utopia if the wealthy class put their heads together and solved the crisis themselves. Sh-it, they could even declare an independent country.

fizzlemynizzle · Mar 3, 2004, 09:17 AM

California would have the world's 3rd largest economy if it were its own nation. Plenty of class warfare though.

gadster · Mar 3, 2004, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by TheWorldIsFlat:
California has so many millionaires sitting on tons of useless cash that its silly. The whole state could be a utopia if the wealthy class put their heads together and solved the crisis themselves. Sh-it, they could even declare an independent country.

How do you think they got so rich?

Captain Obvious · Mar 3, 2004, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by chris v:
Who? Inform me. Maybe in another thread, though.

1. Ahnold cancels auto tax, creating immediate fiscal crisis. 2. Ahnold declares fiscal crisis, cuts discretionary spending. Sure, the auto tax was unpopular, but it doesn't appear he had much of a "plan" other than 1 and 2.

CV

So everything was fine and working when the auto tax was in place?