[perryp]

Find out here:
http://quizilla.com/users/mobiustrip...nti-Semite%3F/

"Congratulations, Abe Foxman is not spying on you. Sleep soundly tonight, for you are by no means an anti-semite. Save this link to prove this fact to your Jewish friends who may later accuse you of anti-semitism for playing frisbee with their yarlmulkes."

[quandarry]

You are a Nazi scumbag. Your moral compass points south, ie., straight to hell. You are a racist, bigoted, xenophobe, with no conception of human diversity, nor sense of decency. You are likely willing to kill millions of people in order to create a world lacking Judaeo-Christian morality, filled with inbred albino children who chant 'Sieg Heil' in fanatical support of megalomaniacal fascist dictactors. If anyone should've gone up the chimney at Auschwitz, it probably should have been you.

hmmmm...rather harsh...but i do like vanilla ice cream.

[OreoCookie]

Aaaah, I always wanted to find out, and now I finally have the opportunity.

Thanx for posting the link.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by perryp:
Find out here:
http://quizilla.com/users/mobiustrip...nti-Semite%3F/

"Congratulations, Abe Foxman is not spying on you. Sleep soundly tonight, for you are by no means an anti-semite. Save this link to prove this fact to your Jewish friends who may later accuse you of anti-semitism for playing frisbee with their yarlmulkes."

Got the same thing.

[macvillage.net]

Do you hate Jews?
No

Do you believe that Jews will burn in hell unless they accept Jesus as their personal lord and savior?
No

Do you believe that Jews control the banks, Wall Street, and international finance in general (despite the fact that many Jews, including most Hasidic Jews, live below the poverty line)?
I definitely think their wealth is disproportianate to their numbers

Do you believe the Jews run Hollywood and the media in general?
No

Do you believe that Allah has given you the glorious mission to smite the Jewish infidel from the face of the earth?
No, and I think that question is racist against Arab peoples

Do you believe that Jews are an inferior race (despite the fact that they may, in your opinion, somehow also control the banks and the media, regardless of said inferiority)?
No

Do you believe that the Jews run the government?
I believe pro-Israel lobbyists such as AIPAC hold undue influence

Do you believe Israel in an oppressive, apartheid state, unjustly repressing Palestinians and stealing their land?
Sort of, but you have to understand...

Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?
Yes, all peoples are entitled to their own state

Do you believe Jews have a right to self-determination?
Yes, as do all peoples of this world

Do you believe that Jews think they're better than everyone else?
Yes, it even says so in their holy books! See! See!

Do you think Jews are cheap (despite the fact that they give more money to charity than any other ethnic group)?
No

Have you ever insulted a non-Jew by calling them a 'Jew'?
Why is that insulting?

Do you believe that the Jews killed Jesus (despite the fact that Vatican II clears them of any guilt, as well as Jesus' last words being 'Forgive them father, they know not what they do')?
No (being that a. the Romans did it, or b. Jesus never event existed)

How do you feel about American aid to Israel?
We should divest until Israel and the Palestinians work out a solution acceptable to both parties

Do you believe that Jews bake the blood of non-Jewish children into their Passover matzahs?
No, and, once again, you're a ****ing moron

Do you believe that the Holocaust happened?
Yes, but that's no excuse to carry out a Holocaust against Palestinians

Do you believe that white European Jews (Ashkenazim) are authentically Jewish?
It doesn't matter, all you Jews are the same

Do you believe Israel blew up the World Trade Center on 9/11, or that Jews were warned not to go to work that day?
No, Arab terrorists blew up the World Trade Center, possibly, in part, because of our support for Israel

Have you ever read Adolph Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' or Henry Ford's 'International Jew'?
No

Do you believe 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' to be a real document?
Never heard of 'em


Have you ever called a Jew a kyke, jew-bag, penny-pincher, or other derogatory term other than as a term of endearment (such as blacks call each other 'nigga')?
Never

Do you believe that religious Jews have sex through a hole in a sheet (despite the fact that Jewish law says that you must be completely nude and uncovered, and thus unashamed, to engage in coitus)?
A sheet? What kind of talk is this? What, you saw my tzitzit hanging out on the clothesline?

Do you believe that Jews have horns?
No, and might I add yet again, you're a ****ing moron

Do you believe that all Jewish girls are high-maintenance 'princesses' who are obsessed with shopping?
No, you can't make such generalizations


Do you believe that when a Jewish synagogue or cemetary is vandalized it's a good thing or a bad thing?

Bad thing

Do you believe a Jewish cabal is responsible for the U.S. invasion of Iraq?
Well, to a large extent, the Jewish community did come out in favor of the war

Suicide bombers are...
understandable, but unjustified in their actions

Have you ever met a Jew?
Met one? ****, I live in Brooklyn, son!

Are you Jewish?
Nope


Yes, I did live in Brooklyn :-D How'd it know?

[Sven G]

Result: Congratulations, Abe Foxman is not spying on you. Sleep soundly tonight, for you are by no means an anti-semite. Save this link to prove this fact to your Jewish friends who may later accuse you of anti-semitism for playing frisbee with their yarlmulkes.

[quandarry]

i guess i got a baddy cuz when i was a little guy it was common for us to say you cheap jew or you jewed me. hell i never new a jew was a person or a religion or whatever...i thought it was a word for cheap or getting shafted. i wuz honest about it.

hell i thought the world wuz all white.

[Wiskedjak]

Lately it seems that an anti-semite is anyone who happens to criticize Israel.

[itai195]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Lately it seems that an anti-semite is anyone who happens to criticize Israel.

Wow, you're on the ball aren't ya

[Millennium]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Lately it seems that an anti-semite is anyone who happens to criticize Israel.

Certainly there are morons out there who take any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism. There are also morons who take any criticism of political correctness as racism/sexism/homophobia/insert-socially-undesirable-belief-here.

I'd like to hope that these people are in no way representative of any kind of majority, however. I have a lot of problems with the ways Israel's rulers are handling things right now, and I consider political correctness itself to be offensice.

[DeathToWindows]

Originally posted by Millennium:
I have a lot of problems with the ways Israel's rulers are handling things right now, and I consider political correctness itself to be offensice.

Motion seconded!
Where is the button for a vote of no confidance in Shiron?

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by DeathToWindows:
Motion seconded!
Where is the button for a vote of no confidance in Shiron?

you spelled his name wrong you anti-semite.

[Mithras]

I want to see perryp's answers to each question.

[vmarks]

I wonder if those who took the test and posted their summary result here did so because they suspected they had something to prove--

smacks of Hamlet, "the lady doth protest too much, methinks."

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by vmarks:
I wonder if those who took the test and posted their summary result here did so because they suspected they had something to prove--

Why don't you tell us what you really mean by that?

[vmarks]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Why don't you tell us what you really mean by that?

What, I'm not permitted to wonder aloud? Perhaps it's time to throw another party, if that's the case.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by vmarks:
What, I'm not permitted to wonder aloud? Perhaps it's time to throw another party, if that's the case.

Do what you like, but you should realise that your 'wondering aloud' can be interpreted as meaning that you think those who posted here are trying to 'cover up their anti-semitism'.

I think this thread was an invitation to party from the start.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Do what you like, but you should realise that your 'wondering aloud' can be interpreted as meaning that you think those who posted here are trying to 'cover up their anti-semitism'.

I think this thread was an invitation to party from the start.

Think what you like, but let me ask you (and you alone) a question:

Are there any posters in these forums who have expressed anti-semitic views in the recent past, echoing theories espoused by neo-Nazis among others?

And isn't that what prompted the original party in the first place?

Aren't both answers 'yes' ?

[christ]

Originally posted by vmarks:
Think what you like, but let me ask you (and you alone) a question:...

That's what PMs are for isn't it?

Or do you want this 'private' conversation conducted in public for some reason?

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by vmarks:
Think what you like, but let me ask you (and you alone) a question:

Are there any posters in these forums who have expressed anti-semitic views in the recent past, echoing theories espoused by neo-Nazis among others?

And isn't that what prompted the original party in the first place?

Aren't both answers 'yes' ?

I don't think so, especially since the person who started the thread I believe you are referring to is Jewish himself. I'd say the suggestion that Israel was behind 9/11 is ignorance rather than anti-semitism.

But then I think the term 'anti-semitic' is gradually losing all meaning - suggesting that an Israeli cat has claws is probably anti-semitic too.

[Logic]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
But then I think the term 'anti-semitic' is gradually losing all meaning - suggesting that an Israeli cat has claws is probably anti-semitic too.

The same is happening to the term anti-american. Both terms are used too often to silence critics, though "anti-semitism" is the more powerful one when doing just that.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
I don't think so, especially since the person who started the thread I believe you are referring to is Jewish himself. I'd say the suggestion that Israel was behind 9/11 is ignorance rather than anti-semitism.

But then I think the term 'anti-semitic' is gradually losing all meaning - suggesting that an Israeli cat has claws is probably anti-semitic too.

The poster you're referring to is a member of the Neturei Karta, whose distinguising belief from the rest of Judaism has no basis in Torah. But then that poster stopped posting briefly and other posters appeared and began posting the exact same wild theories as well as other inflammatory trash.

So you deny that there have been any anti-semites here in the forums at all during the time that you've been present and posting?

EDIT: corrected syntax.

[christ]

Originally posted by vmarks:
So you deny that there haven't been any anti-semites here in the forums at all during the time that you've been present and posting?

To ensure that the twisted syntax doesn't cause issues, this poster appears to be saying "So you agree that there are anti-semites here" in the most convoluted way possible.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by vmarks:
The poster you're referring to is a member of the Neturei Karta, nearer to a cult than to Judaism. But then that poster stopped posting briefly and other posters appeared and began posting the exact same wild theories as well as other inflammatory trash.

Interesting response, did he tell you he was a member of the 'Neturei Karta'?
The latter part of your post reminds me of someone.....

Originally posted by vmarks:
So you deny that there haven't been any anti-semites here in the forums at all during the time that you've been present and posting?

(that sentence doesn't make sense but I think i know what you mean)
I don't recall coming across any anti-semites in these forums. Care to enlighten me? I'd be interested to see what you in particular regard as anti-semetic posts.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by christ:
To ensure that the twisted syntax doesn't cause issues

Edited above. Thanks for your sharp eye.

[ghost_flash]

I am angry at the outcry against Mel Gibson's movie about Jesus Christ, so at them moment I can be considered as such, but am I really anti-semitic? I really don't think about them.

[vmarks]

LBK: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...ic#post1754616

Spheric pretty much puts it to version.

Suffice to say, I think there have been a few anti-semites who have posted here in the past, whether you see it or not.

Haven't you seen the people who post anti-Muslim diatribes? Isn't it just as possible posters thinly veil anti-Jewish sentiment behind every 'they're taking over Hollywood/Media/Government(NeoCon)' and some of the 'anti-Israel' sentiment?

If the first answer is yes, isn't the second one probably affirmative also?

[Mithras]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
I don't recall coming across any anti-semites in these forums. Care to enlighten me? I'd be interested to see what you in particular regard as anti-semetic posts.

these happen to be from perryp:

Of the four leading Democrat candidates for President (Dean, Clark, Lieberman, Kerry) 100% are either Jews, married to Jews or have Jewish ancestry... [snip] Would it be acceptable to have one small minority have such overwhelming power? If your answer is yes, then was the old South Africa acceptable to you?

Jews, for reasons both genetic and cultural, are far more intelligent than any other ethnic group

And yet, the most successful group of all, Jewish-Americans, is not restricted. Why?

I would regard fantasies of Jewish "overwhelming power", and race-based "superior intelligence" beliefs to fall under the rubric of anti-Semitism.
I understand anti-Semitism to be not simply a belief that "we should burn the Jews", but the peculiar fascination and obsession with Jews, their superiority, and their danger, exhibited both historically and in modern times. Someone who obsessively details the intelligence, influence, and dangerous warmongering of Jews, while never pondering, say, Chinese in Malaysia, or Sunnis in Iraq, or Protestants in America, any of thousands of ethnic/social/religious groups who've ever had influence or power, strikes me as afflicted by this peculiar trait.

To those so afflicted I would say: Hey, I agree that Judaism is an interesting religion, and that the history of the Jews is fascinating, and that in western history, because of religious and cultural factors, Jews both individually and as a group have played an important and complex role. But let's talk about something or someone else now and then, ok?
(mithras the non-jew etc. etc.)

[quandarry]

we have everyone here:

anti-jews
anti-arab
anti-bush
anti-christian
anti-catholic
anti-islam
anti-american
anti-windows
etc.

makes for a great party.

[osiris]

Originally posted by quandarry:
we have everyone here:

anti-jews
anti-arab
anti-bush
anti-christian
anti-catholic
anti-islam
anti-american
anti-windows
etc.

makes for a great party.

you forgot the anti-pasto.

[DeathToWindows]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
you spelled his name wrong you anti-semite.

I do not take that well usually... but since it is obvious sarcasm I'll let it pass.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
But then I think the term 'anti-semitic' is gradually losing all meaning - suggesting that an Israeli cat has claws is probably anti-semitic too.

One could say the same thing about the word racist, or racism eh lil'baby?

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by vmarks:
LBK: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...ic#post1754616

Spheric pretty much puts it to version.

Suffice to say, I think there have been a few anti-semites who have posted here in the past, whether you see it or not.

Haven't you seen the people who post anti-Muslim diatribes? Isn't it just as possible posters thinly veil anti-Jewish sentiment behind every 'they're taking over Hollywood/Media/Government(NeoCon)' and some of the 'anti-Israel' sentiment?

If the first answer is yes, isn't the second one probably affirmative also?

Again I find myself wondering what some people mean by this whole term 'anti-semitism' Mithras has suggested points that fall under 'the rubric of anti-semitism'. But what is anti-semitism?

I would say that statements such as 'kill the Jews' are anti-semitic. The 'they're taking over Hollywood/Media/Government(NeoCon)' would appear to be observations - some of which may actually have some truth in them. Then I guess you have to question why people are making such observations and it is here where you arrive on shaky ground. Are these observations being made by people who want to try and justify hatred towards Jews? - which is anti-semitic or, are they simply innocent observations about what is happening?
Is it then 'safer' to brand anything and everything anti-semitic? Will criticism toward the Israeli government soon be branded 'anti-semitic'? and is that not a worrying development?

Regardless, I won't deny the possibility that there are anti-Jews on this board. But, I don't think version is one, you seem to though.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
One could say the same thing about the word racist, or racism eh lil'baby?

No, actually.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
I would say that statements such as 'kill the Jews' are anti-semitic. The 'they're taking over Hollywood/Media/Government(NeoCon)' would appear to be observations - some of which may actually have some truth in them.

I don't know why anyone would think this was anti-semitic.

At all.

Not saying it is kitten. I am just saying this could easily be seen as such.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
No, actually.

Yes actually. You are complaining about the broad generalization of anti-semitism right?

But you felt it ok to generalize people as racist when they weren't being so.

Glass houses and stuff.

Yeah sure you can argue all you want to about what you feel is the REAL def of racism, just like people will do with anti-semitism.

Now you may know how others felt when you pointed the racist finger all those times when it wasn't warranted. And yes we know you edited out calling him racist in that post. Even though you tried to defend it throughout the thread.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Not saying it is kitten. I am just saying this could easily be seen as such.

It could. But why? did you read the rest of my post?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
It could. But why? did you read the rest of my post?

1. Yes I read the rest of your post.
2. If you have to ask why saying such a thing could be considered anti-semitic (AKA Jews taking over the world and this is bad!) I don't know what to tell you.

Reminds me of the KKK rants.

"Them there blacks are takin over! We gots to get back this here country!"

[lil'babykitten]

And so the multi-Zimph posts begin.....

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Now you may know how others felt when you pointed the racist finger all those times when it wasn't warranted. And yes we know you edited your original post quite a few times also.

Yes I did edit my post, but it didn't affect my point at all, did it? The statement I quoted was blatant hatred, was it not?

Are perryp's posts blatant hatred toward Jews?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
And so the multi-Zimph posts begin.....

I responded to two posts. OMG I posted twice! What is your point here lbk other than just trying to stir up flames with ad-hominem silliness?

Yes I did edit my post, but it didn't affect my point at all, did it?

Actually it did. Calling someone a racist for saying something, then later detracting it did effect your point. Taking said word out suddenly made him not a racist.

The statement I quoted was blatant hatred, was it not?

I am not sure if he hates Islam or not. You can say you think Islam is FOS and not hate it. But it WAS a hateful thing to say yes.

Are perryp's posts blatant hatred toward Jews?

Not sure if perryp HATES Jews or not. It does seem he has a chip on his shoulder about Jews. But hate? I don't know.

[Mithras]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
I would say that statements such as 'kill the Jews' are anti-semitic. The 'they're taking over Hollywood/Media/Government(NeoCon)' would appear to be observations - some of which may actually have some truth in them. Then I guess you have to question why people are making such observations and it is here where you arrive on shaky ground.

That's why I suggest we look at the context of a person's statements. If they seem to obsessively discuss only Jewish power and control, then I think we can conclude something from that.

It's kinda like homophobia. If someone once, in response to a question, says something like, "homosexuals gross me out, and they try to push their agenda on the rest of us", that's one thing. If they manage to work such statements into every conversation they have, or spontaneously bring it up repeatedly, then I think you have someone in an interesting psychological condition.

Someone like perryp, again, I think he's a pretty smart and well-reasoned fellow. He's not running around yelling "kill the Jews." And I think there are some interesting and valid issues in examining the fascinating history of Jewish people. But when you look at a pattern of dozens of statements and threads started, I think you see an obsession with Jewry there. And why is someone so obsessed with Jewry? Does it come out of admiration? Not exactly. Does it come from some kind of feeling of inferiority? Maybe, I dunno. But that level of obsessiveness definitely is a marker of thinking that is turning from the normal path and onto a path that leads to strange places.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Mithras:
That's why I suggest we look at the context of a person's statements. If they seem to obsessively discuss only Jewish power and control, then I think we can conclude something from that.

Indeed.

[effgee]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
the REAL def of racism, just like people will do with anti-semitism.

Well, then how about this for an attempt at defining racism/anti-semitism (whereas the root of each, in my book, is nearly identical):

A stereotypical/all-encompassing, negative statement about a more or less homogeneous group of individuals whose sole unifying character/s is/are based on race, religion, nationality and/or *insert-missing-characteristic-here*.

And as far as my personal analysis is concerned - anyone disseminating such statements for any reason (e.g., political/financial/personal gain and/or plain idiocy) is a braindead retard and/or a, in the truest sense of the word, evil fück. Unfortunately, there seems to be a certain percentage of these (sometimes dangerous) idiots in each and every group I have ever had contact with.

Funny enough though - except for a few noteable cultural exceptions and/or group definitions (e.g., in a group of skinheads you're bound to find a relatively high percentage of retards), the actual percentage of idiots among each of these groups (e.g., Christians, Muslims, Jews, Germans, Americans, Turks, etc. etc.) will remain about the same. As for the root of this idiocy, my personal experience tells me that a very lage part of it it has to do with complacency and the desire to believe that there must be a simple, one-sentence (not to exceed 7 words with a maximum of three syllables each) answer to any problem out there - regardless the complexity of the problem itself.

... just my .02 $/£/€/¥

[Zimphire]

Actually for it to be racism. There must be race prejudice or discrimination involved against a race.


The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Religion/personal beliefs/lifestyles do not fall under racism.

That is something different all together.

If a source is trying to tell you otherwise, I would question why it was trying to broaden a the term to mean something more.

For example:

"I think the Jewish religion is wrong. It goes against my beliefs and my religion."

Not racism.

"I think the Jews because pf their beliefs are vile evil beings that need to be destroyed because they will take over the world by proxy, and we have to stop that!"

Anti-Semitism

"Blacks are born with the inability to think properly"

Racism

Out of all the definitions of racism, only one source I know of has such a broad definition for it as the one you used.

I wonder why that source felt the need to bring it upon itself and redefine racism like that.

Bottom line. If it doesn't have to do with race, it's not racism.

Call it hatred, call it bigotism, call it what you will. It's not racism.

[perryp]

It's kinda like homophobia. If someone once, in response to a question, says something like, "homosexuals gross me out

I think you're implying I've said "Jews gross me out". I haven't. Therefore your argument is false.

To those so afflicted I would say: Hey, I agree.... I think you have someone in an interesting psychological condition

If you can't label it anti-Semitism, you have to call it mental illness. They still do this sort of thing in China

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by effgee:
Well, then how about this for an attempt at defining racism/anti-semitism (whereas the root of each, in my book, is nearly identical):

A stereotypical/all-encompassing, negative statement about a more or less homogeneous group of individuals whose sole unifying character/s is/are based on race, religion, nationality and/or *insert-missing-characteristic-here*.

This seems pretty agreeable to me.
Arguing over 'what type' of discrimination something is, IMO a waste of time and doesn't really aid the discussion.
I view discrimination, whom ever it is directed at, as wrong and unacceptable.

[Mithras]

1. Would you agree that you see the influence and power of Jews as the preeminent issue of our day?

2a. If not, why do you post 6+ threads in a row with Jews -- not just Israel -- as the focus?
2b. If so, have you asked yourself why you care so much about the Jews?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
This seems pretty agreeable to me.
Arguing over 'what type' of discrimination something is, IMO a waste of time and doesn't really aid the discussion.

Heh, but one shouldn't mislable someone.

One uses the word racist to belittle and smear.
People like to over-exaggerate at times to make something look worse than it is.

So no, when someone is over-exaggerating, pointing it out isn't a wast of time.

I view discrimination, whom ever it is directed at, as wrong and unacceptable.

Does Islam believe everyone is going to "Heaven"

I don't believe so. Your religion believes in discrimination.

Do you accept your religion?

[effgee]

Blah! Racism, anti-semitism, anti-anything ... all different shades of the same color. They all boil down to one common denominator:

One groups' perceived superiority over another groups' perceived inferiority - regardless of what the superior/inferior part refers to (nationality, religion, skin color ... whatever.)

Anything else is just pointless semantics - usually to distract from the issue at hand and/or to excuse ones' own behavior - in short: A load of bull.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by effgee:
Blah! Racism, anti-semitism, anti-anything ... all different shades of the same color. They all boil down to one common denominator:

One groups' perceived superiority over another groups' perceived inferiority - regardless of what the superior/inferior part refers to (nationality, religion, skin color ... whatever.)

Right that is racism, anti-semitism, and it all boiled into one.

Anything else is just pointless semantics - usually to distract from the issue at hand and/or to excuse ones' own behavior - in short: A load of bull.

Nonsense. Some people like to exaggerate things to make them look worse than they are. People who do such things need to be called out for such drama queening. Otherwise they will continue to think it actually works.

The fact that the person decided to exaggerate in the first place distracts from the issue at hand.

If you call someone a homophobe for not liking mexicans. They will laugh at you I assure you.