[el chupacabra]

I don't know why but for some reason I have to know this. I try not to favor any party but I voted for Gore because; Although I knew Bush would take Idaho, I hoped the popular vote would be taken by Gore and that may help in a slow transition to losing the Electoral college by adding more heated debate, especially if it happens too many times in the future. Other wise I would have voted for Nader, the problem was it was more like voting for the green parties seats and the voting for the President at the same time, yet you can only vote for one; How much representation the green party gets or you can vote for president, so I chose voting for the president.
2. I didn't think there was any way Bush could handle being president. But I also thought it wouldn't be so bad because his dad could walk him through it. Guess I was wrong.

thought the poll would show how many people blame him for the current problems associated with the US.

Anyway it still stands with me...Anyone but Bush...because you see anyone is better...even if it has to be the mobster guy Kerry....or the hulk who tries to rally people like Hitler did.

[BRussell]

In 2000, I thought he was a putz. Now I think he's a schmuck. Does that count?

[thunderous_funker]

I'm one of those people who cast a protest for vote Nader. Most of us did so because we considered Gore a sellout and Bush a "do-nothing" moderate like his father. We felt safe that our little protest vote wouldn't really hurt the country too much either way since neither guy was likely to do anything particularly radical.

Boy were we wrong. And we won't be making the same mistake again.

[ghost_flash]

I didn't vote in the last election, but I will this one and there is no way I see a Democrat winning my heart, but there is always a chance. We shall see. It doesn't look good so far.

[macvillage.net]

I'll vote for abolishing election day.

It's stupidity at it's worst, and refuse to participate.

Takes weeks to recount a small town in florida... but large cities can do it 'live'.... hmm. Yea, they really count... they don't just go by exit polls conducted by the candidates paid college students as everyone has been suggesting for almost 20 years.

Sorry, it's not worth my time and effort. I could be scratching my @ss.. much more productive.

[kindbud]

No problem, dude.

I'll vote for Dubya for you.

[Krusty]

I have to agree with t_f. I figured GWB would be another ineffectual figurehead who would not do anything of any import. Instead, he's started a war that I don't agree with and sown the seeds of long-term financial problems with short-term, lets-get-people-to-like-me tax cuts that we can't really afford (lower taxes are great, paying for them over and over again in interest for the rest of my life doesn't look as fun at the coupla buck a week that the tax cuts brought).

Having said that, the electoral college system does seem to discourage voting. The state I live in will most assuredly go with Bush in '04. The county I live in will most assuredly go with the democratic nominee. I sometimes wonder how my vote is going to matter since it will be lose its punch beyond my congressional district.

[voyageur]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
I'm one of those people who cast a protest for vote Nader. Most of us did so because we considered Gore a sellout and Bush a "do-nothing" moderate like his father.

I voted for Nader also, for the same reasons as you. Although I only did so after I was sure Gore would take my state anyway (which he did). I also felt the need to send a message to the candidates that the environment was a very important issue, and Gore had back-pedaled too much in trying to appeal to the center.
You are so right when you say that Bush turned out worse than some of us ever imagined he could be.

[MacGorilla]

I didn't vote for Bush and after he was elected I felt he would be a harmless little putz but I never counted on its cabal of right wingers he has in the White House. Ashcroft, Rowe, Cheney and Rumsfeld are scary people. I'll be glad when they are gone.

[nonhuman]

Am I the only person who actually changed my mind about him?

[chris v]

As a Texan, i was already aware of how dangerously out-of-touch and ignorant GWB was, long before the election, so no, I haven't changed my mind about him.

Voted Nader as a way of saying "None of the above" in 2000 because Bush had Texas sewn up by a huge margin, but I would have voted Gore had there been even a glimmer of hope of his winning the state.

This year, I will vote for a dirty sock if it's what the Democrats nominate.

CV

[roger_ramjet]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
I'm one of those people who cast a protest for vote Nader. Most of us did so because we considered Gore a sellout and Bush a "do-nothing" moderate like his father. We felt safe that our little protest vote wouldn't really hurt the country too much either way since neither guy was likely to do anything particularly radical.

Boy were we wrong. And we won't be making the same mistake again.

You're in California, right? Voting for Nader out there didn't affect anything.

[Saetre]

Originally posted by kindbud:
No problem, dude.

I'll vote for Dubya for you.

This comment reminds me of an article I read in the most recent Onion.

Edit: Oh, and I think MacVillage.net has it about right.

[maxelson]

Don't vote- you better not complain. EVER. About ANYTHING.

I have changed my view of W. I used to think he at least had integrity.
Now I don't.

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by maxelson:
Don't vote- you better not complain. EVER. About ANYTHING.

I have changed my view of W. I used to think he at least had integrity.
Now I don't.

Do you ever turn rant mode off?

You always seem so angry. Why is that?

Anyway, I have a soft spot in my heart for dubya. He's the oldest sibling like myself and doesn't take sh*t. I like that. I also like his big belt buckles.

[kindbud]

don't tell me what I can't do, young un.

If I decide not to vote you can bet your ass I'll be right here alongside everyone else - stating my opinion.

[Nicko]

Originally posted by kindbud:
don't tell me what I can't do, young un.

If I decide not to vote you can bet your ass I'll be right here alongside everyone else - stating my opinion.

Sure you will be, it just won't mean anything.

[Twilly Spree]

Originally posted by maxelson:
Don't vote- you better not complain. EVER. About ANYTHING.

I have changed my view of W. I used to think he at least had integrity.
Now I don't.

GWB is doing things to make America a better country. Some people think he took this country to war to play a global cop or to enforce American values on the arab nations.

Fact is that his only "agenda" is to protect America's interests and keep us the richest and most powerful nation on the face of the planet. We can be proud of such a leader.

[loksar]

Originally posted by Twilly Spree:
GWB is doing things to make America a better country. Some people think he took this country to war to play a global cop or to enforce American values on the arab nations.

Fact is that his only "agenda" is to protect America's interests and keep us the richest and most powerful nation on the face of the planet. We can be proud of such a leader.

LOL, I think you should be more informed before you go around stating your "Facts."

Leader? I guess no one told you that he is a puppet of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney. Or did you forget that "fact?"

'Cause that is what is important isn't it? Being the richest and most powerful. That's the governements job isn't it? Keeping some people rich at the expense of others. That holds true for all empires.

[Twilly Spree]

Look George W is the President. Cheney and Rove are not. They are advisors.

It is obvious that George Bush has a will of his own but it isn't much of a surprise that he agrees with most of the people he hired as his advisors now is it?

[loksar]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Do you ever turn rant mode off?

You always seem so angry. Why is that?

Anyway, I have a soft spot in my heart for dubya. He's the oldest sibling like myself and doesn't take sh*t. I like that. I also like his big belt buckles.

'Cause he is pissed that ignorance is rewarded by people like you who hold "soft spots" for people who rip-off the nation for sport! People who are ignorant of history. People who are born into wealth and use it to hurt others. People who use their power to settle personal vendettas. People who steal from the poor and give to the rich. People who despite thousands of years of human history wake up in the morning thinking that violence stops violence.

The reason you don't take sh*t is because you don't have the right person to take it from. Yeah cause that's what Hollywood taught ya!

John Wayne for President!

[loksar]

Originally posted by Twilly Spree:
Look George W is the President. Cheney and Rove are not. They are advisors.

It is obvious that George Bush has a will of his own but it isn't much of a surprise that he agrees with most of the people he hired as his advisors now is it?

He hired them? Funny. I think you need to bone up on your history.

Rove is Bush's advisor? You bet. How about a little background info.

http://www.famoustexans.com/karlrove.htm

You think Dick Cheney is taking orders from a punk like W?

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/dick-cheney/

I am not surprised you think these things. And I do not blame you for it. This is what you are told to think.

[Scientist]

Originally posted by maxelson:
Don't vote- you better not complain. EVER. About ANYTHING.

Can you please explain how this first part is logical? I hear it repeated over and over, yet, it seems like, if anything, the opposite should be true.

[maxelson]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Do you ever turn rant mode off?

You always seem so angry. Why is that?

Anyway, I have a soft spot in my heart for dubya. He's the oldest sibling like myself and doesn't take sh*t. I like that. I also like his big belt buckles.

This government gives me lots of reasons to be angry. As did the previous one. Only difference is the last government didn't scare the piss outta me.

And are you basing this on anything other than the 6 or so posts I've made here since you've been around this joint?
"Always" is such a strong word to use against a relatively short experience with that which you describe.

[maxelson]

Originally posted by Scientist:
Can you please explain how this first part is logical? I hear it repeated over and over, yet, it seems like, if anything, the opposite should be true.

If your protest of the system is to avoid it, well, I think that is a bit of a misplaced action. The system relies on the action of those who would change it. The ultimate act of civic responsibility IS the vote.To avoid the vote is to deny responsibility for the government. Sorry, my friends, but WE are responsible for both the good and bad our government does. Not casting your vote is a callous and selfish behavior. The non vote "protest" carries zero weight and is ultimately counterproductive.

I cannot understand how the opposite would be true and I'll ask you to explain it.

[maxelson]

Originally posted by Twilly Spree:
GWB is doing things to make America a better country. Some people think he took this country to war to play a global cop or to enforce American values on the arab nations.

Fact is that his only "agenda" is to protect America's interests and keep us the richest and most powerful nation on the face of the planet. We can be proud of such a leader.

FACT? "Fact", you say?

Fixed: "My OPINION is that his only agenda is to..."

You have as much access to the "facts" of Bush's administration as I do.

You can be proud of such a leader. I'd be ashamed about what that would say about me.

[BRussell]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Anyway, I have a soft spot in my heart for dubya. He's the oldest sibling like myself and doesn't take sh*t. I like that. I also like his big belt buckles.

That's about the level of reasoning and logic most conservatives use to support Bush.

Bush is a fiscally liberal socially conservative nation-builder. He's exactly the opposite of what the majority of conservative Republicans, so many of whom claim to be libertarian-leaning, say they like: fiscally conservative, socially liberal, reserved internationally.

But he's the oldest sibling and has big belt buckles, so it's all OK.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Do you ever turn rant mode off?

You always seem so angry. Why is that?

Anyway, I have a soft spot in my heart for dubya. He's the oldest sibling like myself and doesn't take sh*t. I like that. I also like his big belt buckles.

That is utterly, utterly pitiful, but it *does* explain American politics.

What is truly bizarre is that some Americans, including Dubya, will claim that their system is a democracy, politically, and bomb nations to smithereens to convert them to something that is neither democratic nor political.

-s*

[zigzag]

Why I can't bring myself to vote Republican:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...582330,00.html

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
That is utterly, utterly pitiful, but it *does* explain American politics.

What is truly bizarre is that some Americans, including Dubya, will claim that their system is a democracy, politically, and bomb nations to smithereens to convert them to something that is neither democratic nor political.

-s*

1. Iraq was not bombed into smithereens. It was actually the most accurate bombing that has ever been seen.

Iraq still exists.

2. Iraq has been converted into what style of government?

As far as I knew, Iraq didn't have it's government in place yet. So how do you know what's going on?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by zigzag:
Why I can't bring myself to vote Republican:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...582330,00.html

What a nice opinion piece.

Of course the Democrats have been driving the minions on to save Ephedra and other abusive drugs on the market as we all know.

More crap.

[zigzag]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
What a nice opinion piece.

Of course the Democrats have been driving the minions on to save Ephedra and other abusive drugs on the market as we all know.

More crap.

Yes, it's an opinion piece - it doesn't pretend to be anything else.

And yes, conservative Republican commentators like Sullivan are usually full of crap.

[zigzag]

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[el chupacabra]

Originally posted by Scientist:
Can you please explain how this first part is logical? I hear it repeated over and over, yet, it seems like, if anything, the opposite should be true.

In america we dont have democracy for the most part but what little you do have you should take advantage of. Voting is all there is,as irrelevant as it is. about 50 percent of americans dont vote, and that is why organized crime and the rich runs the country, they vote you see. That 50 percent that doesn't vote pretty much tends to agree on the same candidates. if they had voted they could of made nader pres.

I find if funny that these college students will take off from school spend hours protesting some stupid local event or whatever yet they are the ones that can't take 15 minutes out of the year to go to the polls and vote on the issues when they come up.

there is some cases when people shouldnt vote, such as if they are too stupid to be entitled to an opinion. Or if they are completely happy with the system as it stands and see nothing to change or complain about.
-2cent

[FeLiZeCaT]

Now,

since the rest of the planet is slowly turning into America's big, tax free shopping mall, and me, living in that shopping mall,

does that allow me to vote too?

Free Iraquis... are they allowed to vote too?


just asking...

[Secret__Police]

Bush will serve a second term, you can bank on that.

I give you these reasons

• People are stupid
• Diebold Voting machines
• Its not about what you want, its about what big corporations want
• You mean nothing to the Government machine

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by Secret__Police:
Bush will serve a second term, you can bank on that.

I give you these reasons

• People are stupid
• Diebold Voting machines
• Its not about what you want, its about what big corporations want
• You mean nothing to the Government machine

Funny you should write that, because that is how I felt before Bush.

[BlackGriffen]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Funny you should write that, because that is how I felt before Bush.

So, that feeling must really be entrenched by now, huh?

BG

[el chupacabra]

Originally posted by Secret__Police:
Bush will serve a second term, you can bank on that.

I give you these reasons

• People are stupid
• Diebold Voting machines
• Its not about what you want, its about what big corporations want
• You mean nothing to the Government machine

...and because people will be turned away from the polls in Florida by Papa Bush's and brother Bush's friends. How could you forget that one.

By the way thanks to the people who support me as dictator. I have 4.08 percent of the vote, thats more than Kucinich. I really would be just as good as any of our former dictators.

Now to buy some more votes.
If Exxon would like to donate any money to my campaign I would be happy to lower envirmental standards for you when I become dictator. If the NRA would like to sell guns to criminals I'll do everything I can to make that easyer, in fact lets start tapping a new market, selling rappid fire weapons to anyone who wants them. Oh and you know what else would be cool and trendy? build a facility to mine on the moon, by 2017 we can start drilling for oil on the moon. We can use this a jump point to send a man on a 6 year trip (once we develope time warp capabilities with $2,000,000,000,000 I'll be printing as soon as I get into office,) to see if there's life on the klingon home world; then build an unrealistic base there; to drill for oil once the moon base runs out... oh that place doesn't exist?

[phoenixboy]

actually, before bush became president, i hardly knew anything about him. now almost 4 years later i know that bush has tarnished the image of the us in the eyes and minds of billions around the world, worse than all the other really messed up things the us has done in the past together (in regards to supporting fascist dictators, corporate exploitation etc.).

so i guess i have changed my mind. bush isn't even a choice for 2004 anymore.

[TheMosco]

Originally posted by Secret__Police:
Bush will serve a second term, you can bank on that.

I give you these reasons

• People are stupid
• Diebold Voting machines
• Its not about what you want, its about what big corporations want
• You mean nothing to the Government machine

Talk about stupid, I was having this conversation today with a bunch of kids that claimed to be republican. What a laugh, "I am a republican because of tradition and will vote for him in november". I was shocked. I started asking them questions and none of them knew what i was talking about. They don't have any ideas on any issues of their own. This is feeling i get from most kids my age(17/18) that will be voting in the next election, they are voting based on family tradition with no clue of the facts. damn i hate people/

[saab95]

Bush is a clown. A leader without principle.

Even the few times when he's right he ****s up. 9-11, Afghanistan, Iraq, the war on terror have gone awry.

His foreign policy has made our former allies look at us in great disdain.

When I vote in the election it will be more to vote against Bush.

[finboy]

Originally posted by chris v:

This year, I will vote for a dirty sock if it's what the Democrats nominate.

And that dirty sock will probably pander to the masses.

Welcome to the club. I've long held that a Republican-nominated moldy ham sandwich would outperform any of the socialists put up by the Dems.

[MacGorilla]

Originally posted by finboy:
And that dirty sock will probably pander to the masses.

Welcome to the club. I've long held that a Republican-nominated moldy ham sandwich would outperform any of the socialists put up by the Dems.

The democrats won't nominate a socialist. The democratic party would get their panties in a wad if Dean or Kuiscinch won the primaries.

[Scientist]

Originally posted by maxelson:
If your protest of the system is to avoid it, well, I think that is a bit of a misplaced action. The system relies on the action of those who would change it. The ultimate act of civic responsibility IS the vote.To avoid the vote is to deny responsibility for the government. Sorry, my friends, but WE are responsible for both the good and bad our government does. Not casting your vote is a callous and selfish behavior. The non vote "protest" carries zero weight and is ultimately counterproductive.

I cannot understand how the opposite would be true and I'll ask you to explain it.

OK, I think I see where you are coming from.

I don't vote in federal elections for the same reason I don't vote in Ku Klux Klan elections. By voting I am acknowledging and accepting a system and a set of rules of which I don't approve.

I don't feel I have the right to tell my neighbor who they must take orders from. I don't feel I have the right to tell a politician that I approve of them taking away my neighbor's rights. I don't want an ignorant government wiping out other cultures based on my support of the legitimacy of their leadership.

I do not vote because I do not want to elect someone to represent me who will not do so responsibly and instead use the power of my approval to do things that I do not wish to be held morally responsible for.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by Scientist:
I don't vote in federal elections for the same reason I don't vote in Ku Klux Klan elections. By voting I am acknowledging and accepting a system and a set of rules of which I don't approve.

I don't feel I have the right to tell my neighbor who they must take orders from. I don't feel I have the right to tell a politician that I approve of them taking away my neighbor's rights. I don't want an ignorant government wiping out other cultures based on my support of the legitimacy of their leadership.

I do not vote because I do not want to elect someone to represent me who will not do so responsibly and instead use the power of my approval to do things that I do not wish to be held morally responsible for.

Well said.

[el chupacabra]

Originally posted by Scientist:


I don't vote in federal elections for the same reason I don't vote in Ku Klux Klan elections. By voting I am acknowledging and accepting a system and a set of rules of which I don't approve.

Yes but by voting you have a 'chance' to change the system rules to something you do approve of. Of course the system isn’t meant to cater to all your wishes, it must cater to as many people as it can, the “general will” – Rousseau; that is what’s fair.

By the way the kkk isn’t a good analogy because its not really a democracy its more like a frat club. Where you vote on frivolous things like who is to be the great purple dragon or something; the head gorilla of the whatever that can drink the most per say.

I don't feel I have the right to tell my neighbor who they must take orders from.

That is correct you don’t have the right to tell your neighbor who to take orders from; the majority of the citizens do though, and should; this is where voting comes in. You see the majority really does represent everyone because it is not on an extreme on either side, it represents the middle/common ground. Everyone, not just your neighbor has to sacrifice some rights for union to exist.

I don't feel I have the right to tell a politician that I approve of them taking away my neighbor's rights.

Sometimes the majority should be able to take away people’s rights, everyone must exist together and it is hard to distinguish what rights intrude into other people’s rights; obviously not everyone can get their way; that is not how society works….societies trend is to achieve excellence, it evolves throughout time like a creature. But only if everyone is represented not just the unjust.

I don't want an ignorant government wiping out other cultures based on my support of the legitimacy of their leadership.

There will never come a candidate that you or any individual will support all their actions. Believing in such a system should exist seems unrealistic, selfish and childish to me. Many people that voted for Bush supported many of his policies, but did not support the war. Should they hate/not-support Bush because of one issue ‘THEY’ didn’t support (note: I still dislike Bush for many reasons, but to pick one issue would be silly). Vote for the one that you support the closest. After all it wasn’t like Bush pulled a fast one on us. Before he was autocratically elected he clearly had it in for Saddam, and many supported him and that issue too. I don’t know if that’s like what your referring too, but if you are I do think Saddam deserved what he got. Evolution runs its course everywhere, and looking at Saddam’s history I can see why people thought he was a threat even though he may not have been. You see how evolution works, its great; it will always hunt down those who don’t fit in to their environment; those who appear as the biggest threat to the probability of anyone else’s survival; it just takes a while.

I do not vote because I do not want to elect someone to represent me who will not do so responsibly and instead use the power of my approval to do things that I do not wish to be held morally responsible for.

So you leave it up to other people who you must not share the same views on, since they vote, they share the views with candidates and they support the voting system, to decide who should represent you and everyone else even more irresponsibly since you took no part in the issue at all, yet must believe that the people voting are irresponsible since they voted for an irresponsible leader and support the voting system…(I better end that now circular logic confuses dyslexic people like me). In other words the system would be a better place if good people, maybe like yourself voted to help suppress the people that would like to use the system for self gain, either to tell your neighbor or you what to do. I just see it as if someone’s going to be telling your neighbor what to do don’t you want to have a part in it to make it as just as you think you can. I know…thou shall not judge. Actually thou shall judge. I don’t know whether you’re a religious person or not but it doesn’t matter. This concept is strangely integrated into the American culture of most non religious people too…. Its strange because it came straight from the bible. It doesn’t matter whether the bible was written by god or imagination; it’s great philosophical work, and if people would read past the first page it actually explains the ‘judging’ thing in a way that most hard core Christians can’t understand. Basically you were given the power to judge and should do so responsibly. Ignoring a problem will only allow it get worse. Its as if the government said “we want you to decide whether we should execute this man or not;” maybe they needed you to make a final defense and you thought he was innocent.. And lets say you got stressed out over the issue; your conscious was plaguing you as to whether or not the man deserved it, or whether or not you had the right to judge. So you just said “I’m going to wash my hands of the situation and let someone else decide his fate who I happen to know that this someone to decide his fate knows less of the issue at stake than me, but at least I won’t be the bad guy” (note at the same time this does not make you the good guy).

By the way you are not held morally responsible if you did the best that you knew.

Off topic pointless rambling:

Every day in the world thousands of people experience torture, slaughter, and mutilation by accidents. I wonder does anyone really care. Lets say you were walking down the street and an 8 year old girl was walking 15 feet in front of you. You are just going about your day not thinking of anything but what your schedule looks like; maybe the next time you get to read your macnn threads, then smash a drunk driver smashes into the kid. Hits it in such a way that several body part break off and are scattered around.. The body lands 6 feet to the side of you bent in half backwards while the backbone is poking out of the stomach, the head hit you at your feet (with my experience most situations are a lot more graphic but I’ll stop here). All of a sudden your day is changed. You are very shaken up, horrified. In about 3 minutes the reality will hit most people and they will just start wandering around in random directions throwing up; by the way it seems no one is lucky enough to pass out even though their body wants too. The witnesses will go on through their day with what they think is a shocking image, and story to tell, days, months, years it doesn’t matter the people who saw it remember it as a horrifying shocking event that happened to them. That is they wish they weren’t witness to it. They think of it as a unique event as if “guess what I saw” in my lifetime, just because they were witness to one gruesome event. It’s as if they actually cared about the girl the way they talk about it being such a tragedy to die like that (was it really that bad to the victim), but then again some really do care. Logically a good person shouldn’t be as shaken up over this event. Just because you don’t see it every day doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen many times every day. People, once something happens to them are shaken by something so common because they refused to acknowledge reality if it doesn’t suit them, at least not until reality forces itself upon them; they selectively suppressed the thoughts of reality that bring discomfort to their psychological health; they are ultimately selfish. People are upset when they hear of some injustice being done to a particular group of people, perhaps a protester being run over by a tractor in Israel. Why are they any more upset now than before? Why weren’t they upset before they heard about it? How could one not know it was going on all along? This is common sense. All these situations should have played out in the righteous man’s mind many times and the concept of them should have invoked discomfort. The reason is that many of these people just didn’t want to discomfort themselves or waste the time.

My point – it is people’s nature to avoid things they don’t like, and tell themselves they are good for it; and it shouldn’t be that way. They try to deal with, and fix things by pulling false emotions from their heart, that they don’t truly believe in, that carry no logic and only create new political agendas to quickly patch the cause of the moment that has somehow made it into their own personal world by what they may think is fluke.

By how everyone talks about Iraq’s wmd, I wonder does anyone know that the US at least once in the past 100 years tested weapons on its own citizens. Guess I’ll have to find a link for that but for now just consider me the ultimate legitimate source that needs no questioning because I am sooooo enlightened so enlightened I don’t fit in with any normal people anymore. If I proved this wmd thing to be true beyond a doubt it would become the cause of the moment of the righteous…of course it already was where it actually happened.

[benb]

Originally posted by Scientist:
I don't feel I have the right to tell my neighbor who they must take orders from. I don't feel I have the right to tell a politician that I approve of them taking away my neighbor's rights.

So then what. You want a Hobbesian society? No government at all? No one claims this is perfect, but you have to admit, its very good.

[thunderous_funker]

Ah, the illusion of not "accepting or participating" in the horrible system.

Ignorance is bliss.

Tell me, how much does that system you are so wonderfully insulated against take out of your pay checks every week?

Not voting isn't a protest. Not voting is simply letting others decide for you and your neighbor whether you like it or not.

"fighting the system" by not voting is like stopping crime by not watching the evening news.

[vmpaul]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
Ah, the illusion of not "accepting or participating" in the horrible system.

Ignorance is bliss.

Tell me, how much does that system you are so wonderfully insulated against take out of your pay checks every week?

Not voting isn't a protest. Not voting is simply letting others decide for you and your neighbor whether you like it or not.

"fighting the system" by not voting is like stopping crime by not watching the evening news.

Well said.