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ghost_flash · Jan 27, 2004, 09:49 PM

Found this site which makes Al Frankin funny for once.

http://frankenlies.com/

Zimphire · Jan 27, 2004, 10:11 PM

It's different when a Democrat lies.

He is only doing it for the GOOD of mankind.

Johnny Lydon · Jan 28, 2004, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
It's different when a Democrat lies.

He is only doing it for the GOOD of mankind.

Zim? You're catching on. But you're drooling again.

Hey ghost, you'd better send that fine piece of scholarship to the NY Times. That come from the AP or Rueters?

Zimphire · Jan 28, 2004, 11:09 AM

Truth must hurt.

MacGorilla · Jan 28, 2004, 11:22 AM

is like the Michael Moore "lies"?

vmarks · Jan 28, 2004, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
is like the Michael Moore "lies"?

No, this one has footnotes that are verifiable. It's pretty credible.

ghost_flash · Jan 28, 2004, 11:28 AM

"Never, no... always remember to check your references... I think the young people like it when I *get down* verbally."

-Real Genius

Zimphire · Jan 28, 2004, 11:32 AM

BTW Michael Moore is a deceiver too.

MacGorilla · Jan 28, 2004, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
BTW Michael Moore is a deceiver too.

Never mind, never should have opened my mouth.

ghost_flash · Jan 28, 2004, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
is like the Michael Moore "lies"?

Oh, you want something to read about
Michael Moore?

Ok, here you go:

It has a great many interviews and quotes
you can research if you wish.

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

Talk about [MM] foaming at the mouth.
This guy is filled with hatred. It is funny
what passes for humor these days.

Michael Moore? Al Franken? When were they
funny? Except now that they are telling so
many lies and decieving people *left / right *

I just love the internet, as it allows me to
seek out the truth for myself. Try it sometime.

vmarks · Jan 28, 2004, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by MacGorilla:

Never mind, never should have opened my mouth.

You knew what you were doing when you opened that pandora's doggie-bag.

How's the dragon book coming?

MacGorilla · Jan 28, 2004, 11:43 AM

Excellent! Its humming along just fine. I have split it into two seperate ideas now.

dialo · Jan 28, 2004, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Found this site which makes Al Frankin funny for once.

http://frankenlies.com/

Here's what I posted somewhere else about this:

(of the ones I've looked at)

First, though, #1 & #7 are totally legit criticisms. Apparently his infatuation with Clinton got the best of him. This is a pretty major mistake if you ask me.

In #15 they are basically dead wrong on this, no matter how you look at it. The PDB is considered formally the Director of Central Intelligence's (in this case Tenet) formal daily briefing to the President, and the DCI often accompanies the CIA briefer. In addition, their claim that it was not titled is unfounded. Even Fleischer has discussed the fact that it had a title.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...;notFound=true

In fact, if you look at the source for the claim, it is Miniter, who credibility is just about zero, and will likely become fully zero as soon as the ISG report comes out.

#4 is extremely problematic. Many people have discussed the alleged sudan/bin laden offer, and whether there was really an offer is in question. Mansoor Ijaz is not the saint they spin him as, and look whos name has popped up again in sources. At best, they are guilty of what they accuse Franken of. And basing their criticism on a single general statement by Clinton is really dumb, especially since they could have done real research. Their gripe also should not be with Franken, but with Berger and Benjamin, since they were franken's source for the 'no offer' statement.

#12 is obviously a mistake, but if someone wants to claim it is a bold-faced like I suppose they are free to do so.

#13 is just stupid criticism and this site actually lies in the process. In fact, talkingpointsmemo.com is cited, and Josh Marshall's TPM is considered in high regard. It's actually interesting to see some of the people that read it (often Josh posts comments by people directly involved in the topic he's discussing), mainly because it is an example of a blog (and in a blog community) that is very dependent on peer review.

#8 & #6 are totally legit citicisms.

#10 is just stupid, and not an example of anything remotely resembling a lie. I am Irish, and I don't need some assholes pretending to defend me. If you want to discuss racism against the Irish, talk about the ignored Irish slavey in early america, where Irish were considered disposable compared to black slaves.

More to come if I have time.

finboy · Jan 28, 2004, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by vmarks:
No, this one has footnotes that are verifiable. It's pretty credible.

Yeah, actual references and proof and junk like that. Ain't that a B*TCH.

Nobody needed to tell me that "14 Harvard researchers" with Franken would still produce drivel, but it's good to see it in lights.

And Zim, when Lefties lie and confuse, it's for the betterment of mankind, or "for the children" or to thwart "vast Right-wing conspiracies." When you lie for stuff like that, see, it's OK.

Heck, you can even distort the facts about OTHER LEFTIES. Evidently.

dialo · Jan 28, 2004, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by finboy:
Yeah, actual references and proof and junk like that. Ain't that a B*TCH.

As well as fabrications and mistakes.

maxelson · Jan 28, 2004, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
It's different when a Democrat lies.

He is only doing it for the GOOD of mankind.

With a statement like that, what is it that makes you any better than the political zealots you continually rail against? Moore, Franken, Limbaugh, Liddy, etc. YOu chuck in the statement, it is designed to get a reaction, ytou get it and then poke at the responder for reacting with a little "wassamattah? too close to home?"
Nice job, Tyrell.

thunderous_funker · Jan 29, 2004, 10:35 AM

You think they lie, you should read Erma Bombeck or Patrick McManus. Talk about pathological liars!!!

Oh, and remember that movie "Forrest Gump"? All of it filthy, liberal lies. He never met the president. Hell, he never even went to Viet Nam and I could out run him any day of the week.

I also heard a rumor that The Lord of the Rings might also have distorted the truth as well. I'll get back to you when I get more info.

The Ayatollah · Jan 29, 2004, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
You think they lie, you should read Erma Bombeck or Patrick McManus. Talk about pathological liars!!!

Oh, and remember that movie "Forrest Gump"? All of it filthy, liberal lies. He never met the president. Hell, he never even went to Viet Nam and I could out run him any day of the week.

I also heard a rumor that The Lord of the Rings might also have distorted the truth as well. I'll get back to you when I get more info.

thunderous_funker · Jan 29, 2004, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by The Ayatollah:

What profession does Michael Moore have? What is his job tittle?

How about Al Franken?

What about either of their job titles or career resumes leads you to conclude that anyone should mistake either one of them for Walter Cronkite or Mike Wallace?

Ranting about "lies" in something written by Moore or Franken is like ranting about NASCAR drivers breaking the speed limit.

ghost_flash · Jan 29, 2004, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
What profession does Michael Moore have? What is his job tittle?

How about Al Franken?

What about either of their job titles or career resumes leads you to conclude that anyone should mistake either one of them for Walter Cronkite or Mike Wallace?

Ranting about "lies" in something written by Moore or Franken is like ranting about NASCAR drivers breaking the speed limit.

So, in that case we should take nothing they
say seriously when it comes to politics?

I can do that, after all they are just clowns.

GG Allin · Jan 29, 2004, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
So, in that case we should take nothing they
say seriously when it comes to politics?

I can do that, after all they are just clowns.

But talking-heads that agree with you are not clowns.

MacOSR · Jan 29, 2004, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
You think they lie, you should read Erma Bombeck or Patrick McManus. Talk about pathological liars!!!

Oh, and remember that movie "Forrest Gump"? All of it filthy, liberal lies. He never met the president. Hell, he never even went to Viet Nam and I could out run him any day of the week.

I also heard a rumor that The Lord of the Rings might also have distorted the truth as well. I'll get back to you when I get more info.

You can't be serious! How do those movies have direct attacks on others that have politically opposing views? There is no way you were serious!

ghost_flash · Jan 29, 2004, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by GG Allin:
But talking-heads that agree with you are not clowns.

What are you talking about?

3gg3 · Jan 30, 2004, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
What is his job tittle?

I think his chief tittle is Democrats. Errrr, no, I mean Republicans...

Damn, where's my OED?

GG Allin · Jan 30, 2004, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by MacOSR:
You can't be serious! How do those movies have direct attacks on others that have politically opposing views? There is no way you were serious!

The point is it is a movie. No one forced you to watch it, if you did. Yes it is called a documentary. Because see how you can see the director in it? See how things in the movie actually happened? What do you not understand about the post? The attacks weren't aimed at you. Even Chuck Heston is not attacked. He is asked questions.

Just because your beliefs may have been threatened does not make it an attack. Or maybe it does. And your beliefs, if so solid, should withstand such an attack.

I have been "attacked" by conservatives for well over a decade now. Calm down.

GG Allin · 04:59 AM

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
What are you talking about?

I am saying that if they were making wild conservative statements you wouldn't consider them clowns. Or if you did you would not bother to post it in a forum.

I may be mistaken. If so I am sorry.

Do you call Rush and O'reilly and Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter clowns? If so I rescind my statement.

BTW I respect Franken and Moore for taking a stand although I do not agree with everything they say. Franken specifically seems to believe that the Democrats are wonderful nights in shining armour. He has lost his grip on reality.

Moore I think has some issues but the work he has done is quite important. If you have followed his career it has taken a logical path to take on the people who are working hard to take your rights away and steal your future.

boots · Jan 30, 2004, 09:01 AM

Patrick McManus rocks.

And You're an idiot if you take anything Franken says seriously. He a political satirist. He's not particularly subtle, but his goal is to make people laugh.

Just like Dennis Miller on the other side. Although Dennis isn't nearly as rabid.

ghost_flash · Jan 30, 2004, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by boots:
Patrick McManus rocks.

And You're an idiot if you take anything Franken says seriously. He a political satirist. He's not particularly subtle, but his goal is to make people laugh.

Just like Dennis Miller on the other side. Although Dennis isn't nearly as rabid.

Rabid is the key word here, he isn't funny either. Political Satire? He's an a$$hole, and
that is giving him too much credit as it is.

I'd think he were an a$$ if he were bashing
anyone like he does.

boots · Jan 30, 2004, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Rabid is the key word here, he isn't funny either. Political Satire? He's an a$$hole, and
that is giving him too much credit as it is.

I'd think he were an a$$ if he were bashing
anyone like he does.

A valid criticism.

That's why I like Miller soooo much better.

The Limbaugh book had some funny parts. But like I said, he's not terribly subtle. I will say, though, that just because you don't find it funny doesn't mean that it isn't satire. It just means you think he sucks at what he does. Which is a fair assessment.

maxelson · Jan 30, 2004, 09:39 AM

Al Franken has found himself a marvelous market gimmick and everyone- including the conservatives- is going for it. Good for him. The more you love/ hate him, the more trips he makes to the bank.

chris v · Jan 30, 2004, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
What profession does Michael Moore have? What is his job tittle?

Apparently, it's Tittle 8.

CV

GG Allin · Jan 30, 2004, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by boots:
A valid criticism.

That's why I like Miller soooo much better.

Dennis Miller (sellout) is a sad example of a commedian.

I wouldn't have a problem with him except that he isn't funny anymore either. Anybody who has done football commentary cannot be taken seriously.

He has basically gone on record backtracking on Iraq and said that someone needed their butt kicked and Iraq drew the shortest straw. At least Franken and some of the others have some valid arguments. Miller went on TV and made jokes about LA traffic! Sad.

Now George Carlin on the other hand...

If you can get and keep a job on commercial television you are an establishment sellout. Yes that goes for Franken if he gets a show.

boots · Jan 31, 2004, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by GG Allin:

Now George Carlin on the other hand...

If you can get and keep a job on commercial television you are an establishment sellout. Yes that goes for Franken if he gets a show.

Carlin has lost it. He used to have some funny commentary on society, but now he just lets out a string of expletives and expects people to laugh.

He's not funny anymore either.

I'm a big Daily Show fan. And Dave Chapelle.

Smart, often insightful, and very funny.

daimoni · Jan 31, 2004, 11:35 AM

I think Al Frankin is a brilliant and witty satirist/comedian.

I thoroughly enjoyed his book, and look forward to the next one.

Rock on, dude!

ghost_flash · Jan 31, 2004, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by daimoni:
I think Al Frankin is a brilliant and witty satirist/comedian.

I thoroughly enjoyed his book, and look forward to the next one.

Rock on, dude!

Well put! You must epitimize his demographic
to the tee. Bush has no worries at winning a
second term.

Al Franken is a big fat liar.

maxelson · 12:47 PM

ghost, what is it you are so worried about? Is he so on the money that you consider him a threat? Worried about him missinforming the public? Fraken is a SATIRIST. A comedian. His "demographic" realizes that. You obviously think the audience is too stupid to realize that. By your reaction, you think that those who would not be Franken's audience are too stupid to realize it as well.
Wait. You DO realize he's a comedian, right? SNL and all that?
Tell you what. You go back to your "serious commentary" like Coulter and Limbaugh, and we'll worry about our satirists. OK?

Jeez. You must REALLY hate Gary Trudeau.

AS for calling the election, well, that's a whole different kind of stupid. Isn't it.

But. If you think we are all that inferior, well, you just go back to your armchair and wrap yourself in the warm comfortable knowledge that Bush will be back for another 4. And we'll see if you're right in November.

As for "representing the demographic", well, you, thankfully, don't represent your party. Most republicans I know have far more respect for others than you obviously do.

ghost_flash · Jan 31, 2004, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by maxelson:
ghost, what is it you are so worried about? Is he so on the money that you consider him a threat? Worried about him missinforming the public? Fraken is a SATIRIST.

He's not funny.

This is a quote given by Mr. Franken after
he takled a heckler at a Dean Ralley:

"I got down low and took his legs out," said Franken afterwards.

Franken said he's not backing Dean but merely wanted to protect the right of people to speak freely. "I would have done it if he was a Dean supporter at a Kerry rally," he said.

He doesn't worry me in the least, I'm just
giving my oppinion on him.

maxelson · Jan 31, 2004, 02:13 PM

Absolutely fair and I truly respect that response. Thanks.

Evan_11 · Jan 31, 2004, 03:00 PM

The comedian gloves are off. Thats what happened to Miller, Franken, Moore, Maher etc. I think they reflect the nation as a whole. I side with Miller because we're on the same level. He's not as funny as he used to be (as with the others) and I would define him more as a commentator than comedian now. A truly good comedian will not make their audience divisive like these guys have. A good comedian makes you laugh at yourself as much as your neighbor. I guess you could say that all of them have lost their charm or at least it has been tarnished.

Evan_11 · Jan 31, 2004, 03:03 PM

You can fill in satirist with comedian in the above if you wish.

daimoni · Jan 31, 2004, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Well put! You must epitimize his demographic
to the tee. Bush has no worries at winning a
second term.

Al Franken is a big fat liar.

I far as I know, his demographic are people with a sense of humor.

So yeah, on that point I guess Bush has no worries.

:whoosh:

daimoni · Jan 31, 2004, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
"I got down low and took his legs out," said Franken afterwards.

Maybe it's a Minnesota thing, but...

Now THAT is what I call funny.

Of course, it's all in the delivery.

Speaking of which, I recommend the audio versions of his books.

Available at the iTunes Music Store.

Evan_11 · Jan 31, 2004, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by daimoni:
I far as I know, his demographic are people with a sense of humor.

So yeah, on that point I guess Bush has no worries.

:whoosh:

Read my post above domino.

ghost_flash · Jan 31, 2004, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by maxelson:
Absolutely fair and I truly respect that response. Thanks.

No problem.

<thinking>hmmm, I'm not sure what to expect
next here...</thinking>

GG Allin · 06:45 PM

Originally posted by boots:
Carlin has lost it. He used to have some funny commentary on society, but now he just lets out a string of expletives and expects people to laugh.

He's not funny anymore either.

I'm a big Daily Show fan. And Dave Chapelle.

Smart, often insightful, and very funny.

Well Carlin is getting old. He must be 60 something?

The Daily Show and Chapelle are funny. I wish the Daily Show would turn it up a notch but I think they know what they can get away with. BTW I only know what my friends tell me. I refuse to pay for cable. Why do you have to pay for cable AND watch commercials?

Nonsuch · Jan 31, 2004, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by boots:
Carlin has lost it. He used to have some funny commentary on society, but now he just lets out a string of expletives and expects people to laugh.

He's not funny anymore either.

I'm a big Daily Show fan. And Dave Chapelle.

Smart, often insightful, and very funny.

I sort of agree about Carlin. He can still make me laugh, but he's fallen from his peak of about 10 years ago ("The Planet Is Fine" is the best comedy routine I've ever heard, and it offends the left and right equally). Now a lot of it is just screaming dirty words. A shame.

A similar thing is happening to Miller; his conservative rebirth seems to be bringing out quite a bit of anger, and a lot of his act now is just streams of abuse. (Hard to talk so nasty about a Democrat that a roomful of Republicans boo you, but Miller did it.)

The Daily Show and Chapelle ... now that is some funny shit. I also love Lewis Black, for my money the best topical comic working today (but he's probably easier to laugh at if you're a lefty).

vmarks · Jan 31, 2004, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by GG Allin:
BTW I only know what my friends tell me. I refuse to pay for cable.

Originally posted by GW Bush:
I don't read or watch the news.

MindFad · May 11, 2004, 10:56 AM

I've been enjoying the O'Franken Factor for the past few weeks.

Axo1ot1 · May 11, 2004, 11:58 AM

I donn't know about that website. The so called lies don't strike me as nearly as serious as, for example, Karl Rove's push-polling and Bill O'Rilley's entire show. Either way, I guarantee that if you call his show and ask him about any of thos he will either debunk it or admit that the truth may have been bent and apologize.

MacOSR · May 12, 2004, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
I donn't know about that website. The so called lies don't strike me as nearly as serious as, for example, Karl Rove's push-polling and Bill O'Rilley's entire show. Either way, I guarantee that if you call his show and ask him about any of thos he will either debunk it or admit that the truth may have been bent and apologize.

Would Al's false accusations be serious to you if you were the target of them? Al has some strange agenda...to me he' just a nut job. It does not have anything to do with his political position on issues. I have zero respect for a person that will freely attack other people without merit simply because they do not agree on a subject.

On an opposite note, this is why I actually like O'Rilley. I may not agree with everything he says but at least he respects other people when they have different view-points and can defend them intelligently.

Regarding Franklin apologizing: I don't think he would. When I saw him with Bill O'Rilley when the two were introducing their new books Bill did debunked many of the things that Al was saying about him. All Al did was defend himself.