[theolein]

There's this article over on the BBC about political prisoner camps in North Korea. Bloody deranged. It sounds like Nazi Germany. This is one country that should be freed from the grip of that lunatic and his system and one where I think the entire world would breath a sigh of relief were it to be done.

[chalk_outline]

Don't they have a big military? With real WMD. As a citizen that could be drafted could we please stay away from ****ing with these guys? They scare me. Since we can't "open a can of whoop ass on them" without them putting up a real fight.

I don't wanna die!

Lets talk this out.

<\pussy LIB>

[Sven G]

Evidently, they have no oil (?) for Big Business...

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Sven G:
Evidently, they have no oil (?) for Big Business...

Took the words right outta my fingertips...

[FeLiZeCaT]

Actually the golden rule is:

Do not attack a guy with WMDs.

EVER.

[Fanatic]

LOL

No Oil = No Regime Change

[ghost_flash]

Bill Clinton on NK:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapc.../15/nkorea.us/

"We actually drew up plans to attack North Korea and to destroy their reactors and we told them we would attack unless they ended their nuclear program, Clinton told a security forum in the Dutch port city of Rotterdam Sunday."

[theolein]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Took the words right outta my fingertips...

Funny Kitty (Uhm, yes I know, Stick pokey poke, fo shizzle tomorrow, ok)

[kindbud]

I guess we can all count on France to not do a damned thing except move their lips, take bribes, and sell weapons.

Life is easy when your sole reason for living is to criticize Americans and pretend your government isn't Socialist.

The real question is "what is Iceland going to do about North Korea?".

[theolein]

Originally posted by kindbud:
I guess we can all count on France to not do a damned thing except move their lips, take bribes, and sell weapons.

Life is easy when your sole reason for living is to criticize Americans and pretend your government isn't Socialist.

The real question is "what is Iceland going to do about North Korea?".

Uhm, you said 8 seconds a year...

I know that it is difficult, extremely so for some kinds of people, to understand, but the original post topic was not some kind of vague attack on the USA for invading Iraq and not North Korea.

It may shock you but some of us don't live in a black and white world of good country versus bad country commonly found in movies. Not all of us are Al Qaida terrorists looking to bring down the USA with every word and every action, as difficult a concept that may be to understand.

You have, however, proven my point in the other thread quite nicely, I think.

[gadster]

Originally posted by kindbud:
I guess we can all count on France to not do a damned thing except move their lips, take bribes, and sell weapons.

Life is easy when your sole reason for living is to criticize Americans and pretend your government isn't Socialist.

The real question is "what is Iceland going to do about North Korea?".

Wrong again, Spliffdaddy. The real question is : what gives you (the US) the moral authority to decide who gets to defend themselves, and who doesn't - and why?

That's the question the whole world is asking.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by gadster:
Wrong again, Spliffdaddy. The real question is : what gives you (the US) the moral authority to decide who gets to defend themselves, and who doesn't - and why?

That's the question the whole world is asking.

Wrong*:

The FACT and question is, would France, and
others BRIBED by Saddam had backed the US
led attack on Iraq? I am thinking they would.
If they were not bribed.

*Of course, they were bribed and I find that
disgusting and an accurate commentary of
the people of France.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by chalk_outline:
Don't they have a big military? With real WMD. As a citizen that could be drafted could we please stay away from ****ing with these guys? They scare me. Since we can't "open a can of whoop ass on them" without them putting up a real fight.

I have a close friend who spent three years on the NK-SK border as a US Soldier.

If there were a draft (there isn't) and you were drafted for conflict, did you have some better place in mind? Conflict is brutal and ugly. It can also be necessary.

[saab95]

Originally posted by chalk_outline:
Don't they have a big military? With real WMD. As a citizen that could be drafted could we please stay away from ****ing with these guys? They scare me. Since we can't "open a can of whoop ass on them" without them putting up a real fight.

I don't wanna die!

Lets talk this out.

<\pussy LIB>

Simple solution we can accomplish without increasing our military might.

Nuke the bastards.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by saab95:
Simple solution we can accomplish without increasing our military might.

Nuke the bastards.

Mini-nuke the bastages.

[lil'babykitten]

He says he witnessed chemical experiments being carried out on political prisoners in specially constructed gas chambers.

"How did you feel when you saw the children die?", I asked.

His answer shocked me.

"I had no sympathy at all because I was taught to think that they were all enemies of our country and that all our country's problems were their fault. So I felt they deserved to die."

This sh1t is happening everywhere: NK, parts of Africa, hell countries whose names we have probably never heard of - and never will. Not unless we suddenly develop an interest in something they have or, they become a 'threat' to us.

I don't think we can rely on our politicians to do anything productive about it. Does anyone remember what it took to build up an international effort to send aid to Ethiopia? a BBC documentary! then people like Bob Geldof took it from there. The politicians showed up later for the good PR and photographs.

Anyway, as has previously been mentioned, NK DOES have WMD so the US isn't about to mobilise militarily. Perhaps some diplomacy? or how about some pressure from other international governments?
nah.....lets just forget about it and go buy a happy meal.....

[kindbud]

"The US isn't about to mobilize militarily..."





Bottom Line:


THEN NOBODY IS.

damn. why is it ALWAYS up to the US to DO something? You foreigners sure seem to be able to do nothing except criticize the folks who make an effort.

I ask yet again - what is Iceland going to do about it?

[theolein]

Originally posted by kindbud:
"The US isn't about to mobilize militarily..."





Bottom Line:


THEN NOBODY IS.

damn. why is it ALWAYS up to the US to DO something? You foreigners sure seem to be able to do nothing except criticize the folks who make an effort.

I ask yet again - what is Iceland going to do about it?

I very much doubt that a tiny nation of some 200000 people (That's two hundred thousand for the numerically impaired, Spliff old friend) could have the capacity to take on a nation of some 23 million.

Your "you foreigners" comment put you, I think, exactly on that spot of the xenophobia map that I had reserved for you. Congratulations, I knew you had it in you.

FWIW: I seriously doubt your "proactive" and "preemptive" Prez, you know the one who "makes an effort" is going to risk anything in North Korea, or do you have any info to the contrary? Huh, Spliff, come on, say something. We're all waiting.

The big irony of the North Korea situation is that if any country were to take military action against NK, it would probably be China, even though the South and the Japanese would hate that. When and if that happens, we can have another chat about "foreigners" and people who "make an effort", ok?

[Saddam H.]

Originally posted by theolein:
(That's two hundred thousand for the numerically impaired, Spliff old friend)

you're such a nasty blighter.

[Wiskedjak]

All this talk about weapons ... what about the oppressed people? Are not the Koreans worth liberating?

[Saddam H.]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
All this talk about weapons ... what about the oppressed people? Are not the Koreans worth liberating?

at the risk of thousands of american and british lives...the answer is an emphatic no. Neither were Iraqi lives.

[GG Allin]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
All this talk about weapons ... what about the oppressed people? Are not the Koreans worth liberating?

NO. It is their problem. Just like it was any other oppressed people's problem to liberate themselves! If we are doing nothing to support a regime then we are not responsible. If other countries are helping to support that regime they are responsible.

The US could have found diplomatic solutions to this problem but who would we be scared of next? Gotta have EVIL. Satan is behind every bush.

[swrate]

Originally posted by Saddam H.:
at the risk of thousands of american and british lives...the answer is an emphatic no. Neither were Iraqi lives.

you writing for your next book?.
paranoia and weapons lead to violence

[swrate]

Originally posted by GG Allin:
NO. It is their problem. Just like it was any other oppressed people's problem to liberate themselves! If we are doing nothing to support a regime then we are not responsible. If other countries are helping to support that regime they are responsible.

The US could have found diplomatic solutions to this problem but who would we be scared of next? Gotta have EVIL. Satan is behind every bush.

the problem is: the populations suffers

diplomacy was going well under Clinton,,,, he took care of security,
and the fly zones in Iraq were under control,

bush take fire in the desert

[swrate]

Originally posted by theolein:
There's this article over on the BBC about political prisoner camps in North Korea. Bloody deranged. It sounds like Nazi Germany. This is one country that should be freed from the grip of that lunatic and his system and one where I think the entire world would breath a sigh of relief were it to be done.

Korea makes me shiver, I had seen documents a few years ago.
tragic living conditions
people undergoing starvation and dying, and others eating them to survive.
ressources in the south?
i dont know whats happening there, (north and south)
I see military parades.
and brainwashing through sects

the nuclear free zones were on their way, but then 9/11 happened and all changed.
i think as an all, leaders should concentrate on genocides, protection of the environment, health, education
Those problems used to stay confined, now global.
Other nations customs can be different and awful to discover *hell

for the future to clear, everyone should respect conventions.
Bombing is radical, diplomacy takes more time.



delegates have guided tours, i doubt they reflect reality.
Urban non-urban


it would be interesting to look into NK
*shivers
some nations/systems must be difficult to live in
education? military type
with not much space for creativity
population in a mould.
oppression
respire, conseil aussi à moi-même

[FeLiZeCaT]

quote from kindbud:

"The US isn't about to mobilize militarily..."

Bottom Line:

THEN NOBODY IS.

damn. why is it ALWAYS up to the US to DO something? You foreigners sure seem to be able to do nothing except criticize the folks who make an effort.

I ask yet again - what is Iceland going to do about it?

________________________________________

You do not have much memory or your historical knowledge seems partial: Canada as well as many other countries have participated in U.N. missions to assist in PEACE KEEPING.

Often in situations triggered by Corporate interests.

Some reading for you:

"A problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide" by Samantha Power, Basic Books.

[FeLiZeCaT]

Bombing is just like junk food and pop music:

it gets to a lot of people with minimal efforts and high benefits on the short term.

And in a world where paranoia and statistics rule, you don't take chances so might as well do warring on a "wholesale" basis.

[swrate]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:


This sh1t is happening everywhere: NK, parts of Africa, hell countries whose names we have probably never heard of - and never will. Not unless we suddenly develop an interest in something they have or, they become a 'threat' to us.

I don't think we can rely on our politicians to do anything productive about it. Does anyone remember what it took to build up an international effort to send aid to Ethiopia? a BBC documentary! then people like Bob Geldof took it from there. The politicians showed up later for the good PR and photographs.

Anyway, as has previously been mentioned, NK DOES have WMD so the US isn't about to mobilise militarily. Perhaps some diplomacy? or how about some pressure from other international governments?
nah.....lets just forget about it and go buy a happy meal.....

Yes, and PAK has them too.

so all powers together, who has the most?
the treaty of non-proliferation is so important.

The only way to make things better are to work on them.

[swrate]

Originally posted by FeLiZeCaT:
Bombing is just like junk food and pop music:

it gets to a lot of people with minimal efforts and high benefits on the short term.

And in a world where paranoia and statistics rule, you don't take chances so might as well do warring on a "wholesale" basis.

that pre-emptive stroke was a gamble.
with references to "God being on our side"

did W analyse why his father had given up on it?
or did he just do as his advisors told him?
wasted revenge,
9/11 = target populations
i remember many US citizens were actually looking forwards to watch "shock and awe" TARGET IRAQ on Fox or CNN,
bombing Bagdad was the revenge

addenda: N-Y was opposed

[daimoni]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Anyway, as has previously been mentioned, NK DOES have WMD so the US isn't about to mobilise militarily. Perhaps some diplomacy? or how about some pressure from other international governments?
nah.....lets just forget about it and go buy a happy meal.....

The US has been mobilised militarily in that area since at least the '50s. It's been a clenched teeth stalemate since then.

At the same time, diplomacy, such as it is, has been ongoing... and it hasn't gone away.

But every once in a while, either side will huff and puff in the world press and get each others dander up.

Forget about North Korea WMDs for just a moment.... North Korea has enough conventional might to utterly wipe out South Korea long before the ghost_flashes and other Idiots of the World could ever launch a nuclear attack.

Both sides already know this. And nobody is exactly having a Happy Meal about it.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by FeLiZeCaT:
why is it ALWAYS up to the US to DO something?

I would much prefer it if the US didn't do anything. But, if invading Iraq was really about WMD and liberating oppressed peoples, then North Korea should be next on the list for liberation. The fact that it isn't suggests that Iraq was about neither WMD or liberation ...

[kindbud]

or not.

[Saddam H.]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
I would much prefer it if the US didn't do anything. But, if invading Iraq was really about WMD and liberating oppressed peoples, then North Korea should be next on the list for liberation. The fact that it isn't suggests that Iraq was about neither WMD or liberation ...

That's a flawed conclusion. One more factor you need to consider: projected #s of American dead. It's much higher with NK and was projected smaller with Iraq. The US is averse to situations where lots of its soldiers are getting killed. Iraq was an easy target, but it won't 'preemptively' go after NK unless there was some really serious stuff on the table. Kind of like it is with the Chinese--sure, the Yanks stand ready to fight them and win, but the cost would be very high, especially since China has nukes.

In short, the N Koreans possess enough conventional military might to deter almost all US hostilities.

[GG Allin]

Originally posted by swrate:
that pre-emptive stroke was a gamble.
with references to "God being on our side"

did W analyse why his father had given up on it?
or did he just do as his advisors told him?
wasted revenge,
9/11 = target populations
i remember many US citizens were actually looking forwards to watch "shock and awe" TARGET IRAQ on Fox or CNN,
bombing Bagdad was the revenge

addenda: N-Y was opposed

I completely understand your concern.

W does not make decisions in the way you think a president should. W is told what to think, what to say, and what to do by his advisors. W does not have the intelligence to make his own decisions. He is a monkey. He is a figurehead. A puppet.

U.S. citizens are pawns of propaganda just like a large percentage of the rest of the world.

Diplomatic solutions to this problem will have to be found. The U.S. has made a very grave mistake in Iraq for many reasons. This is a huge problem for international relations but we simply cannot afford to start any more wars. The U.S. is on the verge of becoming insolvent (bankrupt/broke/no money) as it is. If not already.

[Sven G]

BTW, North Korea almost looks like some form of Tintin-esque Borduria totalitarian state, with a Plekszy-Gladz-like absolutist regime...

[Ayelbourne]

Originally posted by swrate:
bombing Bagdad was the revenge

Ah! But you are forgetting:

"It looks like it's the bombing of a city, but it isn't." - Donald Rumsfeld, March 25th, 2003

[GG Allin]

Must be funny to some people to have war criminals running the Federal Gov. I can see them in their shiny new pickup trucks and Cadillac Escalades blaring Limbaugh right now.

[Logic]

Originally posted by Saddam H.:
The US is averse to situations where lots of its soldiers are getting killed.

So the US really is just a paper-tiger?

[Saddam H.]

Originally posted by Logic:
So the US really is just a paper-tiger?

no, but it is responsive and aware of domestic political feelings. When it deems a situation to be of critical enough value to use military force, it does so with devastating effects--enough force to let would-be enemies put on a pair of diapers before tangling with the 'paper tiger'.

[Logic]

Originally posted by Saddam H.:
no, but it is responsive and aware of domestic political feelings. When it deems a situation to be of critical enough value to use military force, it does so with devastating effects--enough force to let would-be enemies put on a pair of diapers before tangling with the 'paper tiger'.

So, has NK and Iran put on their diapers after the US invaded the oh so powerful Iraq? Or have they stepped up their quest for a powerful military and has NK stopped developing nukes and sending test-missiles over Japan?


Good tactic indeed............

[gadster]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Wrong*:

The FACT and question is, would France, and
others BRIBED by Saddam had backed the US
led attack on Iraq? I am thinking they would.
If they were not bribed.

*Of course, they were bribed and I find that
disgusting and an accurate commentary of
the people of France.

I am guessing at your real question, since your post makes no linguistic sense whatsoever (why is this always the case with these idiots?), and I request some clarification. How exactly was France bribed?

[kindbud]

with cash from the sale of oil.

[theolein]

Originally posted by Saddam H.:
That's a flawed conclusion. One more factor you need to consider: projected #s of American dead. It's much higher with NK and was projected smaller with Iraq. The US is averse to situations where lots of its soldiers are getting killed. Iraq was an easy target, but it won't 'preemptively' go after NK unless there was some really serious stuff on the table. Kind of like it is with the Chinese--sure, the Yanks stand ready to fight them and win, but the cost would be very high, especially since China has nukes.

In short, the N Koreans possess enough conventional military might to deter almost all US hostilities.

Le coq craintif.

[gadster]

Originally posted by kindbud:
with cash from the sale of oil.

I thought that's what you'd call FREE TRADE.

[Ayelbourne]

Originally posted by theolein:
Le coq craintif.

Comment vrai, mon ami!

[Saddam H.]

Originally posted by theolein:
Le coq craintif.

how eloquent. Mum must be proud. If I wanted to comment on your tripe, I'd use the board's common tongue.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Saddam H.:
how eloquent. Mum must be proud. If I wanted to comment on your tripe, I'd use the board's common tongue.

comment éloquent. La maman doit être fière. Si je voulais présenter ses observations sur vos tripes, j'utiliserais la langue commune du conseil.

[GG Allin]

Originally posted by gadster:
I thought that's what you'd call FREE TRADE.

OHHH snicker snicker. hehe

See kiddies this is why you shouldn't debate with the adults. I don't know how old gadster is but he is wise nonetheless.

Now go drink all your pretty sugar-water and pastuerized processed cheese food an pork-by-product and you can go outside and play.

[vcutag]

Originally posted by FeLiZeCaT:
Actually the golden rule is:

Do not attack a guy with WMDs.

EVER.

Remind me why we're in Iraq, again?

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by vcutag:
Remind me why we're in Iraq, again?

Hegemony. Next question.