[OreoCookie]

I have been thinking about this for quite some time.
Considering Bush's track record, he doesn't seem to incorporate many of those ‘conservative' values (sound fiscal policy, keeping the state small, rigorous defense of state involvement into personal lives, etc.) into actual policies.

Homeland security, record deficit, etc.

So does any of you know a Republican contender of those ‘old conservative' values that you would elect over Bush?

PS This is not supposed to be a Bush bashing thread, I really wanna know.

[djohnson]

I dont think that a Republican would even consider running against Bush. Never have heard of it before...

[nonhuman]

Originally posted by djohnson:
I dont think that a Republican would even consider running against Bush. Never have heard of it before...

Which is a real shame because I'm sure there are plenty of Republicans out there who would prefer someone other than Bush, but would prefer Bush to a Democrat.

[djohnson]

I find no fault in the man. He supports many ideas I do, most in fact, which is rare indeed!

[shmerek]

Bring on McCain

[OreoCookie]

Originally posted by djohnson:
I dont think that a Republican would even consider running against Bush. Never have heard of it before...

It's a hypothetical question.
Just imagine Bush would have lost the last election (just for the sake that Bush jr. would be out of question for another run), who would be the contender for the Republicans? (Your contender )

[alphasubzero949]

Originally posted by shmerek:
Bring on McCain

[voodoo]

Originally posted by djohnson:
I find no fault in the man. He supports many ideas I do, most in fact, which is rare indeed!

Ah so when you wake up in the morning you thing: I wish I could attack another country.
When you brush your teeth: Hey! Why don't the rich become richer?!!
Drinking your morning coffee: I think the government should be able to watch everyone at anytime without any cause what so ever.
On your way to work: If I were president I'd put my country so deep into debt that the deficit would follow the physics of black holes to a t.
At lunch: I think this country needs a bigger government and more direct federal control.
Dozing off at work you dream about the US Army attacking undeveloped middle east countries.
As you go home from work: I think I'd agree with a president that is so inept that he decides to trust fuzzy and shaky 'evidence' of WMD in Iraq.
At dinner: I would support a president that lies.
Posting on the MacNN forums: "I find no fault in the man. He supports many ideas I do, most in fact, which is rare indeed!"

[vmarks]

Congressman Ron Paul, R-TX.


Ron Paul's Weekly Columns are posted on his House of Representatives web site.

one example:

Spending and Lying



The Congressional Budget Office issued a sobering report last week showing that federal debt, already more than $7 trillion, will increase $2.4 trillion by the end of this decade._ The single-year deficit for 2004 will be nearly $500 billion.


The federal spending frenzy of the last few years is well documented, but these latest figures have congressional Republicans and the White House scrambling to figuring out how to explain the budget mess to voters in November._ Having abandoned even the limited government rhetoric of the Reagan and Gingrich years, mainstream Republicans now must attempt to out-pander the Democrats._ The Medicare bill is clear evidence of this.


Some conservatives have criticized Mr. Bush’s spending requests, but their votes don’t always match their words. True fiscal conservatives in Congress have only one choice: Vote NO on all spending bills, especially the 13 annual appropriations bills._ This is the only honest measure of whether any member of Congress truly wants smaller government._ It’s galling to hear members who voted for the Medicare bill and huge increases in 2004 agency budgets complain about excessive spending.


Already, the $400 billion price tag attached to the new Medicare drug bill has been exposed as a predictable lie._ Just one month after passage of the bill, the White House admits the cost may be one-third higher, roughly $540 billion._ Yet even this bait-and-switch tactic is deceptive, because independent groups estimate the true cost of the Medicare bill will be one trillion dollars over ten years.


Even in the midst of this flood of red ink, the president is busy finding programs to expand._ He plans to increase funding for the rotten National Endowment for the Arts by $20 million in 2005, while expanding the space program to make trips to Mars and the moon that will cost hundreds of billions._ Of course NASA and the NEA represent very small slivers of the annual budget, but the dollar amounts are far less important than the tone set by the president._ The White House wants to pretend that deficits don’t matter, that more revenues will materialize in the future, and that burdening our grandchildren to win votes today is morally acceptable._


Faced with a severe budget crisis, the federal government should do what any family or business would do in similar circumstances: drastically reduce spending and sell off assets._ It is preposterous that the federal budget has more than doubled just since 1990, and surely the republic would survive a return to 1995 or 2000 spending levels._ Furthermore, the government owns trillions of dollars worth of land and other assets, assets that should be sold to pay off the mounting national debt._ Why should additional debt and new taxes be forced upon the American people to pay for government sins, especially when the spendthrift politicians have substantial assets at their disposal?


Government is incapable of austerity measures for a very simple reason: the money it spends belongs to others._ Unless and until federal politicians are voted out of office for their sins, we can only expect the spending, borrowing, taxing, and printing of fiat money to continue.

A true conservative, libertarian, and honorable man in Congress. Ron Paul.

[Ratspittle]

Originally posted by OreoCookie:
I have been thinking about this for quite some time.
Considering Bush's track record, he doesn't seem to incorporate many of those ‘conservative' values (sound fiscal policy, keeping the state small, rigorous defense of state involvement into personal lives, etc.) into actual policies.

Homeland security, record deficit, etc.

So does any of you know a Republican contender of those ‘old conservative' values that you would elect over Bush?

PS This is not supposed to be a Bush bashing thread, I really wanna know.

I've often thought the exact same thing...I gues it's the "republicans can't all be bad" in me. He seems to violate every serious republican principal, yet they all seem to go along with him. I'd call it a "cult of personality" if he had one.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Ah so when you wake up in the morning you thing: I wish I could attack another country.
When you brush your teeth: Hey! Why don't the rich become richer?!!
Drinking your morning coffee: I think the government should be able to watch everyone at anytime without any cause what so ever.
On your way to work: If I were president I'd put my country so deep into debt that the deficit would follow the physics of black holes to a t.
At lunch: I think this country needs a bigger government and more direct federal control.
Dozing off at work you dream about the US Army attacking undeveloped middle east countries.
As you go home from work: I think I'd agree with a president that is so inept that he decides to trust fuzzy and shaky 'evidence' of WMD in Iraq.
At dinner: I would support a president that lies.
Posting on the MacNN forums: "I find no fault in the man. He supports many ideas I do, most in fact, which is rare indeed!"

I doubt that Bush thinks this. Remember, he is pushed by many people, both Republican and Democrats. Oh and sometimes I wish I could blow up another country, then I play Civ 3 and get to

[djohnson]

Originally posted by vmarks:
Congressman Ron Paul, R-TX.

I am all for another Republican running for President in 2008!

Here is one idea on cutting the deficit: Cut all medicare and welfare and help given to other coutries. I figure we could cut billions each year! While we are at it, we could return to being an isolation country that wants nothing to do with anyone. Republicans are not the only ones that have bumped the deficit into the trillion dollar range!