[typoon]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/26/mo...&position=

You've got to love the liberals in Hollywood. They are getting all bent out of shape by this movie.

What Gibson's Father said was wrong but there is not reason for these people to be getting all bent out of shape by this movie.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by typoon:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/26/mo...&position=

You've got to love the liberals in Hollywood. They are getting all bent out of shape by this movie.

What Gibson's Father said was wrong but there is not reason for these people to be getting all bent out of shape by this movie.

You know, I read that article and didn't find a single mention of "liberal". Is there some reason why you think liberals are involved, on either side? Are you possibly mistakenly equating "jewish" with "liberal"?

[chris v]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
You know, I read that article and didn't find a single mention of "liberal". Is there some reason why you think liberals are involved, on either side? Are you possibly mistakenly equating "jewish" with "liberal"?

Well, we have all been informed by the Citizens For a Republican Universe that "Neocon=Jewish" so that can't be it...

Hmmm....

CV

[Big Booger]

Gibson will use martyrdom to boost his argument. He's more clever than most people think. Like a Bond villain.

[Turias]

Originally posted by Big Booger:
Gibson will use martyrdom to boost his argument. He's more clever than most people think. Like a Bond villain.

I don't know. I saw him interviewed once and he came across as being arrogant and dumb.

[Big Booger]

Originally posted by Turias:
I don't know. I saw him interviewed once and he came across as being arrogant and dumb.

Yeah, he's an actor.

[Captain Obvious]

Yeah I am sure he doesn't care. He has the money to fund the projects he wants to make and I am sure he can find partners who would add their own money in. The public won't punish him and so long as he is a box office draw and he makes action and comedy films.

[finboy]

Originally posted by typoon:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/26/mo...&position=

You've got to love the liberals in Hollywood. They are getting all bent out of shape by this movie.

What Gibson's Father said was wrong but there is not reason for these people to be getting all bent out of shape by this movie.

I love the part about many of the important people in Hollywood being Jewish. That should ignite the conspiracy theorists anew.

And Gibson refuses to "distance himself" from his father -- whatever. From what I've seen and read, he refuses to acknowledge the absurd beliefs of his wacko dad. Nothing has said that he AGREES with him, but it's always implied.

The whole thing is a typical media smearjob. Just think, if he'd made a movie ridiculing Ronald Reagan, he'd be described as "persecuted."

[djohnson]

I cant wait to find out how much money the movie brings in. My wife and I have looked up tickets and they are sold out for almost 2 weeks in both theaters here... Dont $$$ for movies come out on Monday?

[djohnson]

Originally posted by typoon:
[BThey are getting all bent out of shape by this movie.[/B]

They are getting mad because they dont get the money!!!

[olePigeon]

Meh. We still have Russle Crowe.

[NYCFarmboy]

Just saw Passion here in NYC.

I went the day after opening at 9 p.m. hoping the the theater would not be too crowded....
I was mistaken... it was packed.

It is ultra graphic and brutal in the portrayal of the crucifixion.

Would I ever take a child under 16 to see it? no way.

But... it made me think of this event in a way I shall never forget. Ever. I'll be going back to see it again after things calm down.

I like a quote I read about going to see the movie....it sums up my thoughts after just having seen it:

“Jesus hung in your place for six hours; hopefully, you can give him two.”

[Big Booger]

Originally posted by NYCFarmboy:
having seen it:

“Jesus hung in your place for six hours; hopefully, you can give him two.”

Erm, he's already been given two thousand years of worship and it's contributed nothing but war, ignorance and prejudice. If he was clairvoyant he would have been ashamed. But then maybe he was and he killed himself because he saw what was coming.

[NYCFarmboy]

Originally posted by Big Booger:
Erm, he's already been given two thousand years of worship and it's contributed nothing but war, ignorance and prejudice. If he was clairvoyant he would have been ashamed. But then maybe he was and he killed himself because he saw what was coming.

Hillary Rodham Clinton:
"In the Bible it says they asked Jesus how many times you should forgive, and he said 70 times 7. Well, I want you all to know that I'm keeping a chart."

[Big Booger]

Originally posted by NYCFarmboy:

“Jesus hung in your place for six hours; hopefully, you can give him two.”

I just realized it says he hung in 'my place'. First, I was never convicted of a crime by Romans; second, he never came over to my place.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by Big Booger:
Gibson will use martyrdom to boost his argument. He's more clever than most people think. Like a Bond villain.

OK, then, it's settled. He's doomed.

[gadster]

'Gibson's film may hurt his career'? or is it 'Gibson risks neck to make film'? I'm atheist, but I say props to Mel for letting his passion over-ride economics and 'other' pressure to make this film. We need more people like this. Ironically, he will probably clean up financially by releasing this film – the one that Hollywood wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Go Mel.

[vmpaul]

Originally posted by gadster:
'Gibson's film may hurt his career'? or is it 'Gibson risks neck to make film'? I'm atheist, but I say props to Mel for letting his passion over-ride economics and 'other' pressure to make this film. We need more people like this. Ironically, he will probably clean up financially by releasing this film – the one that Hollywood wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Go Mel.

The other ironic thing is the message Hollywood will take from the financial success of this film. They'll probably green-light all the religious projects in their pipeline now. Regardless of the worthiness of the project. You can see this a little already with all the Jesus documentaries that have popped up on TV in the last week when they realized this movie was going to be a financial success.

The real message here is to invest those individuals who are 'creators' and are extremely passionate (no pun intended) and capable film makers. Content aside, it was pretty obvious that a previously successful director like Gibson was going to work overtime to make a quality film. Unfortunately, Hollywood won't recognize this and go for the quick buck with a bunch of hack-job Jesus flicks.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by vmpaul:
The other ironic thing is the message Hollywood will take from the financial success of this film. They'll probably green-light all the religious projects in their pipeline now. Regardless of the worthiness of the project. You can see this a little already with all the Jesus documentaries that have popped up on TV in the last week when they realized this movie was going to be a financial success.

The real message here is to invest those individuals who are 'creators' and are extremely passionate (no pun intended) and capable film makers. Content aside, it was pretty obvious that a previously successful director like Gibson was going to work overtime to make a quality film. Unfortunately, Hollywood won't recognize this and go for the quick buck with a bunch of hack-job Jesus flicks.

I agree with you here, except with a bunch of hacj-job Jesus films, they will bomb. Noone wants to see something that is bad...

[vmpaul]

Originally posted by djohnson:
I agree with you here, except with a bunch of hacj-job Jesus films, they will bomb. Noone wants to see something that is bad...

That IS my point. Nobody wants to see these copy-cat films but they'll be made anyway because the exec's will try to ride the coattails of this film.

The lesson behind this films success, besides the content, is that the creative individuals should be given more power in the process rather than the marketing people.

[chabig]

This film won't hurt Gibson's career any more than Bowling for Columbine hurt Michael Moore's career.

[saab95]

In fact I thought it grossed $28 million on opening day.

Hollywood can kiss Mel Gibson's ass.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by saab95:
In fact I thought it grossed $28 million on opening day.

Hollywood can kiss Mel Gibson's ass.

Knowin Hollywood's lust for money they will

[shmerek]

Originally posted by saab95:
In fact I thought it grossed $28 million on opening day.

Hollywood can kiss Mel Gibson's ass.

He made all his money back plus a couple mill not bad for one day.

[jonn804]

I like a quote I read about going to see the movie....it sums up my thoughts after just having seen it:

“Jesus hung in your place for six hours; hopefully, you can give him two.”


There is no god nor son of god.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by jonn804:
I like a quote I read about going to see the movie....it sums up my thoughts after just having seen it:

“Jesus hung in your place for six hours; hopefully, you can give him two.”

After seeing the movie myself just this morning, I am still speechless. It was an awesome experience seeing my what happened to Jesus and then knowing that it was probably even more brutal and knowing that He did this for me... Really makes you put your life in perspective.

Oh and yes I did remove part of your quote because it offends me.

[itai195]

I'm not sure the money 'Passion' ends up making will be much more than a reflection of how well Gibson marketed the film. It probably would've done okay as just some Jesus flick, but a little controversy can sell a lot more tickets.

[phoenixboy]

Originally posted by itai195:
I'm not sure the money 'Passion' ends up making will be much more than a reflection of how well Gibson marketed the film. It probably would've done okay as just some Jesus flick, but a little controversy can sell a lot more tickets.

thank god for kazaa, mlmac, bit torrent etc.

[boots]

Meh. I'm of two minds here. Gibson is an actor who made a film. Entertainment is his business.

1) If I want theology, I'll go visit someone with training in theology. not a knock on Mel, but I wouldn't ask my plumber to do my taxes and wouldn't ask my tax consultant to do my plumbing. So from a religious perspective, I'll pass.

2) He's an entertainer. And he makes no apologies for it. I saw an interview on the History channel the other night, and he said, very frankly, that his goal was to entertain...and he kept the "historical accuracies" that fit with the primary goal: entertain. Kudo's for being frank, and from that perspective it might be interesting. I'm just not into slasher films, so the graphic violence will keep me from seeing it. Not the proselytizing.

The Bible is a good read from a literary perspective...even stripping away the religious baggage that it now carries. It has entertainment value on it's own. Same thing is probably true here.

Either way, though, I don't think this will hurt or advance his career. It's an interesting blip on his resume.

[stupendousman]

I love Mel Gibson for one reason...

Clearly showing what hypocrites Hollywood liberals are!

Apparently, there are news stories which offer "off the record" accounts of certain major studio executives who claim that they will blackball Gibson because of the movie he has made. You can be a communist during the Cold War, a pedophile and all other manner of offensive things and get the support of the Hollywood elite, but you can't make a movie that simply makes jewish people a little uncomfortable.

How many times have we had to hear about the "red scare"? If it's bad to blackball a person because they held anti-american ideals during a time of war, shouldn't it also be bad to blackball someone because they made a movie that is controversial, not because of what it actually says,but rather because of what some might take from it? I'd like to know if these kooks still supported Spike Lee after "Do The Right Thing". The "right thing" in that instance was torching an Italian establishment in a black neighborhood. Now, I'm sure that most would see that simply as a movie to provoke thought, but you know that IT TOO had the power to incite racial hatred. Probably even moreso than The Passion because it suggested violent action in order to solve racial tensions. I do remember there being controversy back then, but I for the life of me can't remember any major studio people condemn Lee off or on the record.

Also...2 more things...

A. I am not anti-semetic. I have a deep respect and love for Jewish people and their faith. In fact, I love all people. That's what the Bible teaches us to do.

B. Having said that, what is so controversial about pointing out that a large majority of those in power in major positions in Hollywood are jewish and that it's pretty much been that way for decades? Do we need to do a statistical breakdown and an industry comparison in order to show that the concentration of jewish studio heads are disproportionate statistically to most other fields, or the population at large?

I just don't understand why it's bad to point out the obvious. It's like trying to deny that the NBA is dominated by African Americans. I think it's great when a "people" find something they excel at and end up dominating. It makes everyone else work harder, which is the American way.

[dreilly1]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
You know, I read that article and didn't find a single mention of "liberal". Is there some reason why you think liberals are involved, on either side? Are you possibly mistakenly equating "jewish" with "liberal"?

He's not equating "jewish" with "liberal" directly.
If anything, he's equating "hollywood" with "liberal", which may be debatable, but is perhaps a little fairer. And the article states that "Many of Hollywood's most prominent figures are also Jewish".

I think this is just a case of the Times trying to create some news to sell papers. Note that at the end, the Times basically admits that it stuffed words into the Dreamworks' guys mouths in a previous story. I'd be suprised if Mel really does get "blackballed", although if he does, he's shown that he can produce movies more or less on his own and would do fine without Hollywood.

[ghost_flash]

I hope they try to blackball him.

This movie made 117.5 million so far and it will hopefully keep on going making money. Hollywood is filled with people who have little need for morals, and the one's they wear on their sleeves are easily removed when money is on the line.

You really can't blackball a man like Mel Gibson. What effect could they hope to achieve? He is a billionaire, or will be soon enough.

[Hawkeye_a]

The movie, which i have not seen yet, but only heard of, dosent stretch the 'truth'. Well at least according tothe bible it dosent. it's preety much accepted as history. I think it's kind of naive of the nay-sayers to get all P-C about it.

At every point in human history, one or more groups of people have commited atroticites against another. I beleive this movie just documents one instance. Did germans complain when Schindler's List came out ? (if they did, it's kind of childish imo, but i dont remember such an outcry). Or how about Amistad ? i dont remember white-America making such a big deal about it.

I am Catholic, and well...if someone were to make movies about the Inquisition or the conversion of natives in South America, or how the catholic church persecuted Gallileo, id accept it as history and not get all cry-baby-ish about it.

I've heard that Mel is a devoted Catholic, apparently enough to make this movie. I dont think he was out to villianize the Jewish community or offend anyone. Those being offended need to just chill out.

Judge the movie on it's accuracy and quality. The content is preety much accepted as history (in my opinion).