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dhinkel · Mar 4, 2004, 03:58 AM

Shady Saudi Prince, Alwaleed bin Talal, who justified the 9-11 attacks, recently met with the Arab-American CEO of Apple - Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs' biological father is an Egyptian political scientist. Alwaheed, who owns 5% of Apple, has given 6 million to Palestinian causes.

voodoo · Mar 4, 2004, 04:24 AM

Steve Jobs is not Arab-American.

He's a pure American. You're a Jew right? OK, his mother was American and therefore he is American. You guys use the maternal link to decide eh? So shove it! Oh and you have been reported. This is going to be the beginning of your stupid end.

Nicko · Mar 4, 2004, 04:26 AM

How amusing, this is like one of those 6 degrees of separation things....what was your point again?

dhinkel · Mar 4, 2004, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by Nicko:
what was your point again?

The point is that 5% of money you spend on Apple products may go to fund terrorists. - don't you find this worrying?

dhinkel · Mar 4, 2004, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by voodoo:
Steve Jobs is not Arab-American.

Oh, he certainly is.

lurkalot · Mar 4, 2004, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by dhinkel:
Oh, he certainly is.

So what?

voodoo · Mar 4, 2004, 04:43 AM

Originally posted by dhinkel:
Oh, he certainly is.

No.

lurkalot · Mar 4, 2004, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by voodoo:
No.

So what?

Spheric Harlot · Mar 4, 2004, 05:09 AM

:: opens door ::

Is this the party thread?

I saw the stupid fascist poster start a new thread, and I figured somebody had to have organized some Pringles and cola, no?

Airhockey anyone?

-s*

voodoo · Mar 4, 2004, 05:17 AM

Allright Speric, you and me in an airhockey match till one of us drops.

Wait I'm going for the bottled water :goes out to buy some water:

angaq0k · Mar 4, 2004, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by dhinkel:
Shady Saudi Prince, Alwaleed bin Talal, who justified the 9-11 attacks, recently met with the Arab-American CEO of Apple - Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs' biological father is an Egyptian political scientist. Alwaheed, who owns 5% of Apple, has given 6 million to Palestinian causes.

I love that kind of bullying.

I love that kind of prejudice.

"Pure American"

"Arab-American"

First of all, all Americans are immigrants, or children of immigrants.
Second of all, none of the links provided give a slightest hint of towards the truth.

Another thread of hatred is all.

Ignorance is forgivable. But this is deliberate. No respect for that.

theolein · Mar 4, 2004, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by dhinkel:
The point is that 5% of money you spend on Apple products may go to fund terrorists. - don't you find this worrying?

What I find more worrying is outright nazis like you, that's right, people who favour genetic determination of political intent and who would conduct gestapo-like witch hunts of people based on their blood-lines.

It has no relevence in this matter, but I suspect, based on your comments, that you are Jewish. If that is so I would find it highly ironic that someone of the Jewish faith is supportive of tatctics used by the nazis 60 years ago against people of his own faith.

I don't know if you've read the MacNN guidlines but it states there somewhere that inciting hatred, or racial discrimination, is not allowed. And before you offer some claim as to your posts not being such, I would point out that you have made this post which accuses Steve Jobs of terrorist sympathies based on his ethnicity. You have also started a thread about Palestinians based on a very vague theory of genetics.

I thought I should tell you this before you go.

Oh, and +1.

dhinkel · Mar 4, 2004, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
If that is so I would find it highly ironic that someone of the Jewish faith is supportive of tatctics used by the nazis 60 years ago against people of his own faith.

This is classic modern European anti-semitism - comparing Jews to Nazis.

Originally posted by theolein:
I don't know if you've read the MacNN guidlines but it states there somewhere that inciting hatred, or racial discrimination, is not allowed. And before you offer some claim as to your posts not being such, I would point out that you have made this post which accuses Steve Jobs of terrorist sympathies based on his ethnicity.

No, I have merely pointed out that Apple is partially owned by someone, who is apparently the second richest man in the world, who has openly admitted funding Palestinian groups - AND justified 9-11. The fact that Apple find this acceptable MAY have something to do with Jobs' Arab ancestry.

phoenixboy · Mar 4, 2004, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by dhinkel:
This is classic modern European anti-semitism - comparing Jews to Nazis.

theolein · Mar 4, 2004, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by dhinkel:
This is classic modern European anti-semitism - comparing Jews to Nazis.

No, I have merely pointed out that Apple is partially owned by someone, who is apparently the second richest man in the world, who has openly admitted funding Palestinian groups - AND justified 9-11. The fact that Apple find this acceptable MAY have something to do with Jobs' Arab ancestry.

I hate to tell you this, but I'm not actually a European, despite the fact that I live here. I'm a South African who had a Jewish father. So perhaps that would make it classic African semi-semitic anti-semitism, or more probably, in your view, Jewish self hatred or something to that effect.

That doesn't change the fact that you are branding someone according to his ancestry, and soley because his ancestry is from the middle east. You are not even asking, as hideous as that would be, but not unknown here on MacNN, whether he is Muslim, nor whether he actually speaks any of the many languages of the middle east. You are simply making a portrayal and statement that anyone who is or Arab descent is somehow involved with or supporting terrorism. That is, whether you admit it or not, a tactic used both by old nazis as well as neo-nazis.

Using your form of argumentation I could claim that every white in America is a racist, simply based on your narrow and unintelligent outlook and hate filled views. That is not so, thankfully.

What worries me more is that radical hate filled views by people like you may be become more mainstream when you grow up.

dhinkel · Mar 4, 2004, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
I hate to tell you this, but I'm not actually a European, despite the fact that I live here. I'm a South African who had a Jewish father. So perhaps that would make it classic African semi-semitic anti-semitism, or more probably, in your view, Jewish self hatred or something to that effect.

That doesn't change the fact that you are branding someone according to his ancestry, and soley because his ancestry is from the middle east. You are not even asking, as hideous as that would be, but not unknown here on MacNN, whether he is Muslim, nor whether he actually speaks any of the many languages of the middle east. You are simply making a portrayal and statement that anyone who is or Arab descent is somehow involved with or supporting terrorism. That is, whether you admit it or not, a tactic used both by old nazis as well as neo-nazis.

Using your form of argumentation I could claim that every white in America is a racist, simply based on your narrow and unintelligent outlook and hate filled views. That is not so, thankfully.

What worries me more is that radical hate filled views by people like you may be become more mainstream when you grow up.

In your reply, you completely ignore that Apple is partially owned by a man who funds Palestinian groups and who tried to justifiy 9-11. This is very revealing. You also imply that two people who belong to an ethnic group would NEVER EVER CONSIDER that there is a link between themselves...

phoenixboy · Mar 4, 2004, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by dhinkel:
You also imply that two people who belong to an ethnic group would NEVER EVER CONSIDER that there is a link between themselves...

where?

kvm_mkdb · Mar 4, 2004, 06:32 AM

YOOOOO - HOOOOO!

PARTY!

I'm bringing some chips...

Logic · Mar 4, 2004, 06:38 AM

How come he hasn't been banned yet?

Wonder how long it would take for someone who would do the opposite(constantly attack jews) to get banned....... wait, I know.

kvm_mkdb · Mar 4, 2004, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
How come he hasn't been banned yet?

Wonder how long it would take for someone who would do the opposite(constantly attack jews) to get banned....... wait, I know.

Don't be so grim, lbk will be here soon with some mecca-cola...

Developer · Mar 4, 2004, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by dhinkel:
In your reply, you completely ignore that Apple is partially owned by a man who funds Palestinian groups and who tried to justifiy 9-11. This is very revealing.

Apple is a stock corporation. I don't think they can pick their owners.

If you don't like foreigners investing in American companies, promote a change of the stock corporation law.

fizzlemynizzle · Mar 4, 2004, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by dhinkel:
In your reply, you completely ignore that Apple is partially owned by a man who funds Palestinian groups and who tried to justifiy 9-11. This is very revealing. You also imply that two people who belong to an ethnic group would NEVER EVER CONSIDER that there is a link between themselves...

Apple has no control over who buys shares of its common stock.

theolein · Mar 4, 2004, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by dhinkel:
In your reply, you completely ignore that Apple is partially owned by a man who funds Palestinian groups and who tried to justifiy 9-11. This is very revealing. You also imply that two people who belong to an ethnic group would NEVER EVER CONSIDER that there is a link between themselves...

Can you perhaps point out to me where I imply any such thing? No, I didn't think you could. But, even though you seem to now realise that your accusation of Steve Jobs could be considered as libelous, but want to avoid the issue by couching it in the same terms, I'll take your bait:

Firstly, let's look at this Saudi Arabian who owns 5% of Apple's shares. I know the story quite well that you linked to as this was news back in 2001 after the attacks. In that story he offered his sympathies to the victims, plus a $10 million check for the victims' fund and made a statment that he thought that American policies in the middle east could have played a role in the attack, specifically the supposed American bias in its dealings with the Palestinians. His check was rejected and there was a big upswell of anger at his statement, coming as it did, right after the attacks. His statement was, in my own opinion as well as most other people's tactless in both timing and attitude, implying as it did that America was to blame for the attacks. It was condemned and rightly so.

Factually, and by that I mean, based on fact, he had a kind of point, albeit a stupid one. Al Qaida has stated in a number of annnouncements that their enemy is America, based on America's basing troops in Saudi Arabia, the Muslim holy land, and America's support of Israel. I seriously doubt that Al Qaida would stop their attacks if America was to pull out of the middle east completely and if it were to withdraw their support of Israel. That is, to me in any case, mostly a cover argument for Al Qaida's arguments. Not only that, but this Prince was more than likely making that statement to cover his own backside, for the reason that Al Qaida has also sworn to bring down the ruling house of Saudi Arabia, a member of whom this Prince is, and it was standard Saudi policy to mostly ignore any Al Qaida activites in that country up until Al Qaida started its campaign of bombing in that country itself, whereupon they finally woke up.

Also, the majority of Arabs and most Muslems for that matter, see the actions of israel against the Palestinians as oppression. Just as the Israeli establishment sees its actions against the Palestinians as self defense, so do many Muslems see the Palestinian actions against Israel as self defense. This is neither an examination of that issue nor a justification of it. It is simply a statement about their point of view, right or wrong, and the reason many Muslims, again rightly or wrongly (I think wrongly, since the Israelis are more than capable of acting without American pressure or support) see the American support of Israel as the root of all evil so to speak. It is a simplistic and media encouraged point of view, which is just as simplistic as your point of view in the west that all Muslims are backward and uneducated.

Secondly, you talk about shared ethnicity as being some kind of binding element in human relations. Can you PROVE that this is so. Let's take an example. Let us say mister x is descended from Jewish immigrants to the US. let us also assume that mister y is an Israeli Jew. Let us assume that mister y has commited a crime, such as say, fraud, in the US, in his business dealings. Let us assume that mister x and y knew one another. Does this mean AUTOMATICALLY, that mister x approves of mister y's crime, simply because he is of the same ethnicity? NO, of course it doesn't.

But that is what YOU are assuming.

Nothing I say will probably change your opinion, since this is the second time you have made exact same paranoia filled and xeonphobic post, but I think it shows, at the very least, that your reasoning is not based on any rational thought.

Oh, and +1 again.

John F. Smith · Mar 4, 2004, 07:39 AM

It's not wonder why the Palestinian cause hasn't been making any progress- they've been waiting for G5 iMacs for 4 years now, and there is no sign that they are coming any time soon.

gadster · Mar 4, 2004, 07:50 AM

OK dhinkel, you convinced me. I am selling all my Apple Computer gear. Can you give me the account details of Gush Emunim to send the money to?

TheWorldIsFlat · Mar 4, 2004, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by kvm_mkdb:
YOOOOO - HOOOOO!

PARTY!

Which one is Steve and which pinko commie owns 10% of Apple?

(Honestly dhinkel, you make Jews embarrased by this show of racism. Blame capitalism for allowing anyone to buy shares in companies).

Lerkfish · Mar 4, 2004, 07:59 AM

macvillage.net · Mar 4, 2004, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by fizzlemynizzle:
Apple has no control over who buys shares of its common stock.

That's true.

Guess who owns stock from many US oil related companies?

Actually, it's a large group of people.

It's meaningless until they own 20%, where the FASB (Financial Accounting Standards Board), it goes something like:

Less than 20% ... insignifigant presumed influence

20%-50% ... presumed signifigant

50%+.... controlling.

voodoo · Mar 4, 2004, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
Can you perhaps point out to me where I imply any such thing? No, I didn't think you could. But, even though you seem to now realise that your accusation of Steve Jobs could be considered as libelous, but want to avoid the issue by couching it in the same terms, I'll take your bait:

Firstly, let's look at this Saudi Arabian who owns 5% of Apple's shares. I know the story quite well that you linked to as this was news back in 2001 after the attacks. In that story he offered his sympathies to the victims, plus a $10 million check for the victims' fund and made a statment that he thought that American policies in the middle east could have played a role in the attack, specifically the supposed American bias in its dealings with the Palestinians. His check was rejected and there was a big upswell of anger at his statement, coming as it did, right after the attacks. His statement was, in my own opinion as well as most other people's tactless in both timing and attitude, implying as it did that America was to blame for the attacks. It was condemned and rightly so.

Factually, and by that I mean, based on fact, he had a kind of point, albeit a stupid one. Al Qaida has stated in a number of annnouncements that their enemy is America, based on America's basing troops in Saudi Arabia, the Muslim holy land, and America's support of Israel. I seriously doubt that Al Qaida would stop their attacks if America was to pull out of the middle east completely and if it were to withdraw their support of Israel. That is, to me in any case, mostly a cover argument for Al Qaida's arguments. Not only that, but this Prince was more than likely making that statement to cover his own backside, for the reason that Al Qaida has also sworn to bring down the ruling house of Saudi Arabia, a member of whom this Prince is, and it was standard Saudi policy to mostly ignore any Al Qaida activites in that country up until Al Qaida started its campaign of bombing in that country itself, whereupon they finally woke up.

Also, the majority of Arabs and most Muslems for that matter, see the actions of israel against the Palestinians as oppression. Just as the Israeli establishment sees its actions against the Palestinians as self defense, so do many Muslems see the Palestinian actions against Israel as self defense. This is neither an examination of that issue nor a justification of it. It is simply a statement about their point of view, right or wrong, and the reason many Muslims, again rightly or wrongly (I think wrongly, since the Israelis are more than capable of acting without American pressure or support) see the American support of Israel as the root of all evil so to speak. It is a simplistic and media encouraged point of view, which is just as simplistic as your point of view in the west that all Muslims are backward and uneducated.

Secondly, you talk about shared ethnicity as being some kind of binding element in human relations. Can you PROVE that this is so. Let's take an example. Let us say mister x is descended from Jewish immigrants to the US. let us also assume that mister y is an Israeli Jew. Let us assume that mister y has commited a crime, such as say, fraud, in the US, in his business dealings. Let us assume that mister x and y knew one another. Does this mean AUTOMATICALLY, that mister x approves of mister y's crime, simply because he is of the same ethnicity? NO, of course it doesn't.

But that is what YOU are assuming.

Nothing I say will probably change your opinion, since this is the second time you have made exact same paranoia filled and xeonphobic post, but I think it shows, at the very least, that your reasoning is not based on any rational thought.

Oh, and +1 again.

Feeding the trolls theolein?

xi_hyperon · Mar 4, 2004, 10:28 AM

I'm awfully hungry, as I didn't eat breakfast today. You guys in the mood for some homemade pizza?

gadster · Mar 4, 2004, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by xi_hyperon:
I'm awfully hungry, as I didn't eat breakfast today. You guys in the mood for some homemade pizza?

I'm in +1

lil'babykitten · Mar 4, 2004, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by kvm_mkdb:
Don't be so grim, lbk will be here soon with some mecca-cola...

Sorry I'm late, I ended up picking up more stuff than I intended to.
SO, we got mecca-cola, pepsi, coke, water (for voodoo), pringles and of course: oreocookies.

Who won the air hockey game?

xi_hyperon · Mar 4, 2004, 11:34 AM

Thanks LBK. Although I like to use a lot of different ingredients, I'm open to making whatever kind of pizza everyone likes here. I'm starving, and will probably eat half the dough and cheese anyway.

Zimphire · Mar 4, 2004, 11:42 AM

This guy reminds me of PerryP

lil'babykitten · Mar 4, 2004, 11:46 AM

^ lol

kvm_mkdb · Mar 4, 2004, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Sorry I'm late, I ended up picking up more stuff than I intended to.
SO, we got mecca-cola, pepsi, coke, water (for voodoo), pringles and of course: oreocookies.

Thanks for the drinks - the salsa is really spicy!

:walks toward the air hockey:

Millennium · Mar 4, 2004, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
This guy reminds me of PerryP

I don't know; there are similarities, but the hate is targeted at different groups. PerryP was an anti-Semite who was desperately trying to convince himself that he wasn't. This guy seems to be anti-Arab, trying to convince himself otherwise.

Similar? Sure. I doubt they're the same person, though.

Zimphire · Mar 4, 2004, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Millennium:
I don't know; there are similarities, but the hate is targeted at different groups. PerryP was an anti-Semite who was desperately trying to convince himself that he wasn't. This guy seems to be anti-Arab, trying to convince himself otherwise.

Similar? Sure. I doubt they're the same person, though.

No no not same person. Same hate. They remind me of each other.

lil'babykitten · Mar 4, 2004, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Millennium:
I don't know; there are similarities, but the hate is targeted at different groups. PerryP was an anti-Semite who was desperately trying to convince himself that he wasn't. This guy seems to be anti-Arab, trying to convince himself otherwise.

Similar? Sure. I doubt they're the same person, though.

Interesting how one was banned pretty swiftly, whilst the other is still allowed to post this utter bullsh1t, no?

/takes off conspiracy theory hat

Demonhood · Mar 4, 2004, 11:56 AM

to discourage the topic starter from posting threads like this, i hear-by declare this thread without merit and dishonorably discharge it from the political lounge.