[typoon]

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/20231.htm

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by typoon:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/20231.htm

I was listening to a radio program where they had sound bites of these victim's families of 9/11 and they were saying the exact same catch phrases. It was highly dubious.

These people obviously do not represent how all the victim's families feel about the president's usage of 9/11 in his ads.


Anyone know where those sound clips are?

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
I was listening to a radio program where they had sound bites of these victim's families of 9/11 and they were saying the exact same catch phrases. It was highly dubious...Anyone know where those sound clips are?

Here you go. I had posted them previously in this thread.

Furthermore, some items in that linked article:

o hear some folks tell it, families of the 9/11 victims have risen en masse to denounce President Bush for using brief images from Ground Zero in his campaign commercials.

We have no doubt that the use of the images is appropriate - given that the president's leadership in the wake of 9/11, and his conduct of the War on Terror, are under drumbeat assault by John Kerry and the Democrats.

But now it turns out that this whole furor is driven by a tiny group that's motivated by a far-left agenda and a festering hatred of the president - and has some quite dubious financial ties.

Leading the rhetorical charge has been an outfit called September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows - which, the group admits, has only a few dozen members and represents relatives of no more than 1 percent of the 9/11 victims.

More to the point, the group was formed specifically to oppose the entire War on Terror: Not just the campaign against Saddam Hussein, but also the toppling of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Indeed, the group's leaders traveled to Afghanistan, drawing a detestable moral equivalence between the 9/11 attacks and U.S. bombing of the Taliban and opposing "violent responses to terrorism."

Then, before the onset of Operation Iraqi Freedom, a Peaceful Tomorrows delegation went to Baghdad to "demonstrate solidarity" with Iraqis - a move that Saddam's deputy, Tariq Aziz, termed at the time "a very important international development."

And back in January 2003, the group said had it had gotten a "verbal commitment" to the fund proposal from the junior senator from Massachusetts - John F. Kerry.

Little surprise there - because Peaceful Tomorrows' parent group, the San Francisco-based Tides Foundation, has received millions from foundations controlled by Kerry's heiress wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry.

[IceBreaker]

no..doesn't surprise me..

But.. the Bush campaign should have realized how low the Kerry campaign would go.. I know its lower than low for the Kerry campaign to have done this....but...the Bush campaign should have been ready for such a tactic.

[zachs]

What about the firefighters?

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by zachs:
What about the firefighters?

Waaaaa Waaaaa Waaaaaa, this is the Kerry thread, not the Bush-bash thread!... please leave with your lies about Bush.

That's better.

[zachs]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
I'm too tired to look this crap up. I'll wait for someone else to prove you wrong again.

I'll be waiting.

[zachs]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Waaaaa Waaaaa Waaaaaa, this is the Kerry thread, not the Bush-bash thread!... please leave with your lies about Bush.

That's better.

"What about the firefighters?"

Huh. Now where's the Bush-bashing again?

[typoon]

Originally posted by zachs:
I'll be waiting.

MORAN: I'm on vacation. I was home yesterday listening to the radio and start to hear the attacks. I saw the ads. I think they're inspirational. They remind me of going back, like how lost I felt right after 9/11 and then seeing on the news when George Bush went down to the Trade Center, put his arm around the firemen, the words he spoke of... I don't know if "defiance" is the right word, but they were inspirational. They made me feel like, "Wow, this isn't just going to be another terrorist attack that we're going to sit back on our asses -- excuse me -- and do nothing," and for these people to attack these ads, it's nothing less than slimy. There's a lot of things I disagree with with the families, the victims, of the way things have to be done, that the World Trade Center has to remain like an empty pit. I don't agree with that. I think we should build them bigger, the same way, because by not building them back I believe they've won. Our enemies have won. And if we build something defiant, then we're telling them, "All right, let's see you knock these ones down." I don't know --

this quote was from an interview that Rush did with Mike Moran from the FDNY. So you are wrong. I don't think what the media is putting out is the sentiment of all or many of the Fire fighters or relatives of those who perished on 9/11.

[IceBreaker]

Originally posted by zachs:
I'll be waiting.

LOL are you joking? that union already endorsed Kerry... and you think that makes their attacks of the Bush ad somehow even remotely credible?

[zachs]

Originally posted by typoon:
So you are wrong.

About what?

[typoon]

Originally posted by IceBreaker:
LOL are you joking? that union already endorsed Kerry... and you think that makes their attacks of the Bush ad somehow even remotely credible?

not only that did you see this at the bottom of the page?

"The International Association of Fire Fighters, headquartered in Washington, DC, is the 16th largest union among the 64 national unions that makeup the AFL-CIO. The IAFF represents more than 263,000 full-time professional fire fighters and emergency medical personnel who protect 80 percent of the nation’s population. More than 2,900 affiliates and their members protect nearly 6,000 communities in every state in the Unites States and every province in Canada."

AFL-CIO. one of the biggest democratic supporters out there. this union would support them no matter what they said.

[zachs]

Originally posted by IceBreaker:
LOL are you joking? that union already endorsed Kerry... and you think that makes their attacks of the Bush ad somehow even remotely credible?

Maybe this is why they didn't endorse Bush? ....Just curious.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by zachs:
What about the firefighters?

Oh, the IAFF union...they endorsed Kerry earlier last year. They've also started their own activist wing to help Kerry.

The President of the IAFF also has led numerous rallies during the Iowa, New Hampshire, Virginia, Michigan, South Carolina, and Washington DC primaries.

That's some excessive rallying for the FireFighters' Union president, don't you think? Well not when you consider this: IAFF President Harold Schaitberger is the same Harold Schaitberger who serves as Kerry's National Campagn National Co-Chair.

Nice try. Next.

[zachs]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Oh, the IAFF union...they endorsed Kerry earlier last year. They've also started their own activist wing to help Kerry.

The President of the IAFF also has led numerous rallies during the Iowa, New Hampshire, Virginia, Michigan, South Carolina, and Washington DC primaries.

That's some excessive rallying for the FireFighters' Union president, don't you think? Well not when you consider this: IAFF President Harold Schaitberger is the same Harold Schaitberger who serves as Kerry's National Campagn National Co-Chair.

Nice try. Next.

Thanks for the links. You answered my question.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by zachs:
Thanks for the links. You answered my question.

And thanks for not being offended by my wisecrack ending. Generally speaking, when I post a rebuttal that includes more than 3 links, I feel as if I have somehow earned the right to give a little poke.

[Spliffdaddy]

[Zimphire]

They're people who are offended by anything this president does - and they are working hard to put John Kerry in the White House.

Wow sounds like this place.

[zachs]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
And thanks for not being offended by my wisecrack ending. Generally speaking, when I post a rebuttal that includes more than 3 links, I feel as if I have somehow earned the right to give a little poke.

I'll be sure to keep that in mind next time I come up with 3 links in a rebuttal...