[skio]

Good to see this, the new Spanish Governemtn will pull out of the 'Disaster that is Iraq'.

The new Prime Minsiter said this, "Wars such as those which have occurred in Iraq only allow hatred, violence and terror to proliferate," Mr Zapatero said."

I wonder how much of this has to do with the bombings in Madrid, or if it's a long held feeling. I remember before the bombings, most Spaniard shated the idea of goign int ot Iraq, they had some of the most anti-war demonstrations in the world.

It was also funny to see how some of the foreign media in the lead up to Sunday's election showing Spanish anti-terrorism demonstrations, would incorrectly translate the banners and the speaches of those tlaking. They weren't just angry at the terrorism acts, but they were vocally demonstrating agsint the invasion of Iraq, why their troosp were there for a war they thought was illegal, and unjust.

Looks like the coalition of the willing, is now becoming the coalition of the dumbasses.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3512144.stm

[Spliffdaddy]

I propose a new title:


"Al Quaeda wins election in Spain"

[lil'babykitten]

I propose an even better one:

"Spain removes lips from US's ass"

[voodoo]

New title: Common sense prevails, Spain regains sanity and pulls out of Iraq.

[villalobos]

Originally posted by voodoo:
New title: Common sense prevails, Spain regains sanity and pulls out of Iraq.

I disagree. Irak NOW needs a coalition and some peacekeeping, more than it ever has. I understand that the Spanish people was opposed to the war in the first place (for all the good reasons too), but withdrawing their troops now will not solve anything.
It is right that they chose to replace their PM, because Aznar betrayed them, but they should now look at the bigger picture, and instead work with other countries and the UN to make sure Irak does not become a bigger mess.

villa

[voodoo]

Originally posted by villalobos:
I disagree. Irak NOW needs a coalition and some peacekeeping, more than it ever has. I understand that the Spanish people was opposed to the war in the first place (for all the good reasons too), but withdrawing their troops now will not solve anything.
It is right that they chose to replace their PM, because Aznar betrayed them, but they should now look at the bigger picture, and instead work with other countries and the UN to make sure Irak does not become a bigger mess.

villa

By the end of June there will be a UN SC ratified resolution that will relieve the 'coalition' from Iraq peacekeeping.

Mark my words.

[Developer]

The majority of Spaniards opposed the war in Iraq. Government ignores and loses next election.

Democracy works, Spain is pulling out of Iraq.

[Kodachrome]

Terrorism has won.

It is sad that now the Kerry campaign just has to hope for a terrorist act to win.

Makes one wonder.

This is a sad day for the world... and for freedom.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Kodachrome:
Terrorism has won.

It is sad that now the Kerry campaign just has to hope for a terrorist act to win.

Makes one wonder.

This is a sad day for the world... and for freedom.

When I think back
On all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder
I can think at all
And though my lack of edu---cation
Hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall

Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, Oh yeah
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama don't take my Kodachrome away

If you took all the girls I knew
When I was single
And brought them all together for one night
I know they'd never match
my sweet imagination
And everything looks worse in black and white

Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, Oh yeah
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama don't take my Kodachrome away

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally posted by Developer:
The majority of Spaniards opposed the war in Iraq. Government ignores and loses next election.

Democracy works, Spain is pulling out of Iraq.

Careful now, spouting off like that about how a democracy works. You know the one TRUE democracy is the one we have here in the States where the politicians always listen to what the populace has to say. NOT!!!

Kinda funny how everyone is saying al Queda has won when in fact the democratic process is what has won. The people had their say at the ballot box and made a change in government. I wish it worked that way here.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Kodachrome:
Terrorism has won.

It is sad that now the Kerry campaign just has to hope for a terrorist act to win.

Makes one wonder.

This is a sad day for the world... and for freedom.

But, I know you and your leftist friends were and are hoping this whole expedition turns out for the worst so you can dance around the Maypole flag in your earth friendly hempware and proclaim yourselves "lovers of humanity.

The irony.

[Captain Obvious]

Best title:
Spain haven't been a superpower since colonial times, their current irrelevance continues.

Did anyone think that Iraq was going to be an easier task because Spain got involved?
Maybe they could have thrown a big Carnival to cheer everyone up. Seriously, they sent in what 1500 troops maybe? That was a token political gesture to please the US while not getting overly involved. Unless another country poured in real amounts of troops and money the situation in Iraq was never really going to be greatly effected.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by dcmacdaddy:
Kinda funny how everyone is saying al Queda has won when in fact the democratic process is what has won. The people had their say at the ballot box and made a change in government. I wish it worked that way here.

The fact is, both won. Al-Qaeda has managed to make the people afraid to fight them, and the people have responded by ending their hunt. A victory for both sides.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Captain Obvious:
Best title:
Spain haven't been a superpower since colonial times, their current irrelevance continues.

Did anyone think that Iraq was going to be an easier task because Spain got involved?
Maybe they could have thrown a big Carnival to cheer everyone up. Seriously, they sent in what 1500 troops maybe? That was a token political gesture to please the US while not getting overly involved. Unless another country poured in real amounts of troops and money the situation in Iraq was never really going to be greatly effected.

Yes yes we all know the US was quite capable of invading Iraq all by themselves. We don't care.

The US needed Spain because it had to justify the Iraq war to the people at home. Like they needed Australia and the UK. The support was more important than the army those countries could bring into the mess that is the Iraqi campaign. We also know that.

My tusk is bigger than your tusk

[Wiskedjak]

Even better title:

"Listen up Americans, if you vote Democrat we will call you cowards and accuse you of giving in to terrorism as well"

[Spliffdaddy]

I'll be voting for Dubya...and you'll be

watching helplessly.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
I'll be voting for Dubya...and you'll be

watching helplessly.

.. with popcorn and Pepsi in hand. Count on it! The US Presidential election is one of the few television events that I go out of my way to watch. Great entertainment value!

Unless of course you guys pull a 1984 election - boy was THAT one boring! (zzz)

Something like the 2000 election would be preferable but this time with a happy ending.

[Zimphire]

These terrorist don't want the US out of Iraq.

These terrorists wants everyone that doesn't think like them dead.

Terrorism only wins when everyone not like them is dead.

There is no reasoning with them. They are violent animals.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
.. with popcorn and Pepsi in hand. Count on it! The US Presidential election is one of the few television events that I go out of my way to watch. Great entertainment value!

Unless of course you guys pull a 1984 election - boy was THAT one boring! (zzz)

Something like the 2000 election would be preferable but this time with a happy ending.

The ending was happy. The bad guy lost, the cowboy road off into the sunset.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
These terrorist don't want the US out of Iraq.

These terrorists wants everyone that doesn't think like them dead.

Terrorism only wins when everyone not like them is dead.

There is no reasoning with them. They are violent animals.

Don't be so melodramatic. You sound like you are advertising next weeks saturday nights made-for-TV movie

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Don't be so melodramatic. You sound like you are advertising next weeks saturday nights made-for-TV movie

Not being dramatic voodoo. Just speaking the truth. These are barbaric animals that want to kill everyone that doesn't believe in their way of life.

They don't want peace. They don't want an agreement. Even if the US pulls out of Israel it will STILL be happening.

They wont be happy till they have all the words blood on their hands.

Vile creatures.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Not being dramatic voodoo. Just speaking the truth. These are barbaric animals that want to kill everyone that doesn't believe in their way of life.

They don't want peace. They don't want an agreement. Even if the US pulls out of Israel it will STILL be happening.

They wont be happy till they have all the words blood on their hands.

Vile creatures.

It wasn't what you wrote, it was how you wrote it

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Millennium:
the people have responded by ending their hunt. A victory for both sides.

How do you figure?

Since when does Spain's involvement in Iraq have anything to do with the hunt for al Qaeda?

-s*

[Ayelbourne]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
The ending was happy. The bad guy lost, the cowboy road off into the sunset.

Yippee-ki-yay! Who d'ya think put that there dubya in "DubyaMD"?

Martial Law West Of The Pecos, just south of sanity! By golly, he's just an Old Cowhand!

Now, let's get those smallpox-contaminated blankets handed out...

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Millennium:
The fact is, both won. Al-Qaeda has managed to make the people afraid to fight them, and the people have responded by ending their hunt. A victory for both sides.

not really.

Spain will fight terrorism (incl. AQ) with even more force - while they aren't wasting resources by having troops in Iraq.

Now it is no. 1 grade A high priority to fight AQ and it's ilk. Not just in Spain but in all of EU.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
It wasn't what you wrote, it was how you wrote it

Must have struck a nerve.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
The ending was happy. The bad guy lost, the cowboy road off into the sunset.

Yes but then they involved the Supreme Court and disqualified the cowboy and put the bad guy in power

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Must have struck a nerve.

Not really, made me laugh though

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
not really.

Spain will fight terrorism (incl. AQ) with even more force - while they aren't wasting resources by having troops in Iraq.

Now it is no. 1 grade A high priority to fight AQ and it's ilk. Not just in Spain but in all of EU.

Too bad its all for nothing. Them pulling out wont have effect on the terrorists.

DEATH TO CHRISTIAN WARRIORS!

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Too bad its all for nothing. Them pulling out wont have effect on the terrorists.

DEATH TO CHRISTIAN WARRIORS!

Pulling out the soldiers Spain has in Iraq will give them more resources to use against the terrorists.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally posted by voodoo:

The US needed Spain because it had to justify the Iraq war to the people at home. Like they needed Australia and the UK. The support was more important than the army those countries could bring into the mess that is the Iraqi campaign. We also know that.

Thanks for reiterating what I just said. I'm sure it was helpful to someone somewhere.
Just keep on consuming your Pepsi and Orville Redenbacher, our economy sends its appreciation for your support.

[nonhuman]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
DEATH TO CHRISTIAN WARRIORS!

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by nonhuman:

You must not think a lot of yourself.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Captain Obvious:
Thanks for reiterating what I just said. I'm sure it was helpful to someone somewhere.
Just keep on consuming your Pepsi and Orville Redenbacher, our economy sends its appreciation for your support.

Nonono! Newman's Own! Orville Redenbacher is so mediocre

I also use Apple computers, eat lots of Chiquita and Dole fruits, Cocoa puffs etc etc.

Then again I consume plenty of Nesquick, Grandiosa, Blue Castello, Spanish wines.. I buy Sony, Philips and Kenwood.

I drink african coffee and use a Swedish/Japanese phone.

I think I should get more letters of appreciation than just from the American capitalists (thanks for the kind words though, touching)

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
You must not think a lot of yourself.

I doubt he's a warrior and probably not Christian.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
I doubt he's a warrior and probably not Christian.

No one said he was. But to agree with death to "Christian Warriors" makes you pretty much a scum-bag.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No one said he was. But to agree with death to "Christian Warriors" makes you pretty much a scum-bag.

What Christian Warriors are we talking about exctly. By the way.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
What Christian Warriors are we talking about exctly. By the way.

They call anyone that isn't Islamic a "Christian Warrior" Christian or not.

[nonhuman]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No one said he was. But to agree with death to "Christian Warriors" makes you pretty much a scum-bag.

The concept of a "Christian Warrior" is an interesting one. Jesus (you know, that guy that Christians believe in and follow) said to love your enemy. This isn't exactly a recipe for warriors.

Originally posted by: Jesus
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy; but I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven; for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Excuse me for believing in the teachings of Jesus.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
They call anyone that isn't Islamic a "Christian Warrior" Christian or not.

Are you in contact with Al-Qaida?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by nonhuman:
The concept of a "Christian Warrior" is an interesting one. Jesus (you know, that guy that Christians believe in and follow) said to love your enemy. This isn't exactly a recipe for warriors.
Excuse me for believing in the teachings of Jesus.

#1 You didn't understand what I meant by "Christian Warriors"
#2 Tell Jesus that when he comes back and destroys all the wicked.

Originally posted by voodoo:
Are you in contact with Al-Qaida?

Of course not. One doesn't have to be to read what they say or believe in.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Are you in contact with Al-Qaida?

I think you're confusing him with skio.

edit:

no wait. that was hezbollah

[nonhuman]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
#1 You didn't understand what I meant by "Christian Warriors"

Apparently not.

#2 Tell Jesus that when he comes back and destroys all the wicked.

Tell Jesus that I did exactly what he said to do. Yeah, that'll piss him off something fierce... Seems to me that the wicked would be those who didn't follow his teachings. So anyone who didn't love their enemies would have something to fear, not me.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Of course not. One doesn't have to be to read what they say or believe in.

Of course not.

I think you are with me on that AQ must be completely deluded then if they regard all people that aren't Muslims to be Christian Warriors, right?

Good, then we can establish that they have to be wiped out. Good, glad you're with me on that.

But we are talking about people. Doesn't that bother you? People that have a mother and father. Perhaps a pet called Squeeky. A name a history and a true conviction in their religion. These people believe in their culture and their God and they will die to protect it. They are disciplined and true in their beliefs, albeit rather simple minded.

Don't you have some compassion in your heart for them?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Of course not.

Right, one doesn't have to belong or know the group to know what they stand for. You can read what they say and what they talk about.

I think you are with me on that AQ must be completely deluded then if they regard all people that aren't Muslims to be Christian Warriors, right?

Of course.

Good, then we can establish that they have to be wiped out. Good, glad you're with me on that.

No, they don't have to be.

But we are talking about people. Doesn't that bother you? People that have a mother and father. Perhaps a pet called Squeeky. A name a history and a true conviction in their religion. These people believe in their culture and their God and they will die to protect it. They are disciplined and true in their beliefs, albeit rather simple minded.

Don't you have some compassion in your heart for them?

Oh I do. But they make their own bed. They have to lay in it.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by nonhuman:
Tell Jesus that I did exactly what he said to do. Yeah, that'll piss him off something fierce... Seems to me that the wicked would be those who didn't follow his teachings. So anyone who didn't love their enemies would have something to fear, not me.

Oh, you can have love for you enemies and not support or tolerate their actions.

Again, did Jesus not physically throw out the merchants at the temple? Yes of course he did.

Under your reasoning he shouldn't have!

Me thinks you did not understand the message behind what Jesus was teaching.

Not that you really care.

[voodoo]

Well Zimphire if you really think that the AQ terrorist don't have to be wiped out -- what would you suggest we do to them?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Well Zimphire if you really think that the AQ terrorist don't have to be wiped out -- what would you suggest we do to them?

They don't have to be. They can CHOOSE to stop. That choice is on them. They make their bed, they have to lay in it.

[nonhuman]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Oh, you can have love for you enemies and not support or tolerate their actions.

Again, did Jesus not physically throw out the merchants at the temple? Yes of course he did.

Well he was only human.

Under your reasoning he shouldn't have!

Under his as well.

Me thinks you did not understand the message behind what Jesus was teaching.

Not that you really care.

I do care. In my opinion Jesus was a great teacher who had a lot of wonderful things to teach. I also just happen to think that he shaped his message to fit his audience. If you want to convince a bunch of Jews that their religion is out-dated you do it by claiming your beliefs are an extension of theirs and passed down from their same God. Just because I don't believe in God and don't think that Jesus was His son, I can't see value in Jesus' message?

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
They don't have to be. They can CHOOSE to stop. That choice is on them. They make their bed, they have to lay in it.

So if they don't stop they will have to be wiped out? Right?