[TheMosco]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4591197

The statement said it supported President Bush in his reelection campaign, and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader "more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom."

"Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization."

"Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected."

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[Sandbaggins]

Originally posted by TheMosco:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4591197



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A lame attempt at reverse psychology.

With the Madrid feather in their cap the bastards think they can manipulate voters' decisions.

[zachs]

Originally posted by Sandbaggins:
A lame attempt at reverse psychology.

With the Madrid feather in their cap the bastards think they can manipulate voters' decisions.

I KNEW that's what the spin would be!

[zachs]

Heh...Opheera McDoom.

[TheMosco]

Bill Whick's Friend posted on fark:

Al Qaeda fears that Kerry will use diplomacy and trade to convince the arab street that modernization of their governments and their societies is a good thing.

They know that Bush will continue to flail around, hitting whatever he hits and alienating the average arab thereby ensuring fresh meat for al qaeda's training camps and a continuing vision of America as the enemy for the youth of the middle east.

Of course Al Qaeda wants Bush to win.

makes sense to me...

[zachs]

Originally posted by TheMosco:
Bill Whick's Friend posted on fark:



makes sense to me...

Yup. Me too.

[fizzlemynizzle]

Originally posted by TheMosco:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4591197



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I heard they found "From the Desk of Terry McAuliffe" whited out at the top of the letter.

[Sandbaggins]

Originally posted by zachs:
I KNEW that's what the spin would be!

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Sandbaggins:
A lame attempt at reverse psychology.

Yes, those terrorists are so clever. They may be able to fool their people with mind games and ignorant hatred.

But they are playing on a different level here.

It's obvious what they were trying to do.

I wonder about the people who actually think the terrorists feel this way.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by zachs:
I KNEW that's what the spin would be!

You should have known. It was THAT obvious. Don't let your hatred towards Bush dumb your intuition down.

[Face Ache]

This must mean the terrorists are desperate.

[chalk_outline]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
You should have known. It was THAT obvious. Don't let your hatred towards Bush dumb your intuition down.

What is wrong with hating Bush? You pull this hating Bush **** all the time. Yes, I hate him. Is it wrong to hate the POTUS? That is why I am voting for Kerry (No other choice). Democracy in action.

Are we stupid for not swallowing Bush's crap like a spendy date swallows *** on a first date to the prom?

Yes, we hate Bush. Deal with it. He has had three years to ****-up. It's to late to fix his ****. It's done. If he wins, he wins. If he ends up like his daddy the beer is on me.

[Troll]

Wait a minute, if they're not "Against Us," then ...

OMG, someone get a binary logic expert in here. I think we may have a new ally.

[Meneldil]

We know that they say that they want Bush to win, and thus we should suspect that they want Kerry to win.

However, since they know that we know they want Bush to win and thus think that they want Kerry to win, perhaps they really want Bush to win.

Or maybe they know that we know that they know that we know they really want Bush to win, and so actually want Kerry to win.

Obviously the most important question becomes: are there any Sicilians in Al Queda?

[Millennium]

That letter isn't even consistent with itself. Why would they support Bush if they also support the new Spanish government? This is little more than a poorly-done fake.

Also, I'm surprised to see the Anybody But Bush crowd really starting to show its true colors. Not even giving the slightest thought to who they're voting for, the only real criteria being that the person has a shot at ousting Bush. Some are even in the position of voting against the candidate they really believe in (be that Nader or someone else).

That's what bothers me. All they really care about is their hatred of the man over his ideology (and it isn't about ideology, simply because of the statement that anyone is better). They're as blind as they claim he is. I'm no Bush-lover either, but at least I try and think about the way I want this country to go, and who will come closest to that given that there are no even remotely-perfect matches.

But I suppose it doesn't matter much. The Anybody But Clinton crowd failed in 1996, for the same reasons that the Anybody But Bush crowd will fail this time: eventually, too many people will start actually thinking about their politics, and the end result will push them to a wide variety of other candidates. Not all of them will, but enough to "spoil" the election.

[voodoo]

Look Millennium, many people would trust ANYBODY but Bush better. Kim Jong Il, Hitler, Satan, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Tyler Durdeen, Mark McManus, Nietzche, Dan Quayle, Richard Nixon ANY ONE BUT BUSH.

The reason is simple: Bush is the biggest disaster that could have been 'elected' as the US president. A drug-using, alcoholic, born-again-christian, sociopathic, New American Age dumbass daddy's boy!

[chalk_outline]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Also, I'm surprised to see the Anybody But Bush crowd really starting to show its true colors. Not even giving the slightest thought to who they're voting for, the only real criteria being that the person has a shot at ousting Bush. Some are even in the position of voting against the candidate they really believe in (be that Nader or someone else).

Bush is that ****ing bad. In my eyes nobody can **** up as badly as Bush.

If Hitler was the other option I would vote for Bush. Since Kerry is NOT Hitler I can vote for him with a clear conscious. Don't act like we are mindless ****ing sheep in the Anybody But Bush camp. Bush made us hate him. The need for Bush to be gone is greater than our protest vote.

[Meneldil]

Originally posted by Millennium:
That letter isn't even consistent with itself. Why would they support Bush if they also support the new Spanish government? This is little more than a poorly-done fake.

It could be real, even though I doubt it. First, they're a bit on the whacked out side of unreasonable. They don't want compromise with the US, and they don't want to face the US and the rest of the world combined. They want the US alone while the world watches, I suspect. That would support wanting Spain to pull out while keeping the US in. Even if it doesn't sway votes to Kerry, it still sows confusion. Again, I think it's someone else, but who knows? We know as much as we did before. You can go back and forth on Bush or Kerry and unless you're one of them, you don't really know what level of reverse psychology it is.

Also, I'm surprised to see the Anybody But Bush crowd really starting to show its true colors. Not even giving the slightest thought to who they're voting for, the only real criteria being that the person has a shot at ousting Bush. Some are even in the position of voting against the candidate they really believe in (be that Nader or someone else).

That's what bothers me. All they really care about is their hatred of the man over his ideology (and it isn't about ideology, simply because of the statement that anyone is better). They're as blind as they claim he is. I'm no Bush-lover either, but at least I try and think about the way I want this country to go, and who will come closest to that given that there are no even remotely-perfect matches.
...

I don't know if you're what I would call and anybody but Bush. I would have voted for the Democrat anyway. Nader might be a better candidate in terms of my ideals, but I've got a whole list of issues that would lead me to vote for a dirty sock over Bush if I though it would beat him.

Among these are:

Gay rights - if I get written out of the constitution, I'm emigrating. Seriously. It's a small chance, but think about it. I grew up in school hearing those words in the Declaration of Independence, that stuff about Lincoln freeing the slaves, about how America is the land of the free, blah blah blah. Now, if you can comprehend it, imagine being in a group of people the majority decides doesn't get the full list of benefits. On the same topic, Republicans have introduced a bill proposing to allow Congress to reverse Supreme Court decisions. I really don't wanna see that passed.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:h.r.03920:

That Whackjob Ashcroft - if George Bush was equal to Howard Dean in every way but who he appointed as Attorney General, I would vote against him. The man is scary, and is doing about as much for civil liberties as McCarthy.

Foreign Relations - I know the US president shouldn't be pandering to foreigners above citizens, but damn. If he really thinks the war on terror is going to be permanently won by bombing the hell out of some countries and forcing them to rebuild in our image, good for him. I just happen to think he's insane. More foreign aid to build up unstable countries, expanding the Peace Corps and similar programs would help a hell of a lot more in my opinion. It's like how I see the situation with gays; we won't get people to tolerate or accept us by shoving laws down their throats. We'll earn that by being open, going out into the world and acting like normal people. In my experience both as a gay man and as an American overseas, we're more well liked when people get to know a couple of us personally.

So there's three of my reasons for saying anybody but Bush. I realize it may look like pure hatred, but at least in a few cases it's got reasoning behind it. I just honestly believe he's that bad, and I get kind of annoyed when people say I can't think for myself. Perhaps we don't actually mean anybody but Bush. Pat Buchanan would be worse, for example. In the field of people who might be elected? No one worse exists.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by chalk_outline:
What is wrong with hating Bush? You pull this hating Bush **** all the time. Yes, I hate him. Is it wrong to hate the POTUS? That is why I am voting for Kerry (No other choice). Democracy in action.

Are we stupid for not swallowing Bush's crap like a spendy date swallows *** on a first date to the prom?

Yes, we hate Bush. Deal with it. He has had three years to ****-up. It's to late to fix his ****. It's done. If he wins, he wins. If he ends up like his daddy the beer is on me.

Hate comes from ignorance.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Millennium:
That letter isn't even consistent with itself. Why would they support Bush if they also support the new Spanish government? This is little more than a poorly-done fake.

Also, I'm surprised to see the Anybody But Bush crowd really starting to show its true colors. Not even giving the slightest thought to who they're voting for, the only real criteria being that the person has a shot at ousting Bush. Some are even in the position of voting against the candidate they really believe in (be that Nader or someone else).

That's what bothers me. All they really care about is their hatred of the man over his ideology (and it isn't about ideology, simply because of the statement that anyone is better). They're as blind as they claim he is. I'm no Bush-lover either, but at least I try and think about the way I want this country to go, and who will come closest to that given that there are no even remotely-perfect matches.

But I suppose it doesn't matter much. The Anybody But Clinton crowd failed in 1996, for the same reasons that the Anybody But Bush crowd will fail this time: eventually, too many people will start actually thinking about their politics, and the end result will push them to a wide variety of other candidates. Not all of them will, but enough to "spoil" the election.

[zachs]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Hate comes from ignorance.

Not necessarily...

[zachs]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Also, I'm surprised to see the Anybody But Bush crowd really starting to show its true colors. Not even giving the slightest thought to who they're voting for, the only real criteria being that the person has a shot at ousting Bush. Some are even in the position of voting against the candidate they really believe in (be that Nader or someone else).

Not necessarily. Many people have supported Kerry from the start, when they had a choice among 8 or 9 different candidates. Others now are uniting behind Kerry because he is the Democratic nominee. Doesn't mean they are just supporting him because he's "not Bush".

That's what bothers me. All they really care about is their hatred of the man over his ideology (and it isn't about ideology, simply because of the statement that anyone is better). They're as blind as they claim he is. I'm no Bush-lover either, but at least I try and think about the way I want this country to go, and who will come closest to that given that there are no even remotely-perfect matches.

Again, ABB people who are supporting Kerry are not necessarily doing so "blindly" (although, some are. But, then again, some people are supporting Bush blindly.) Many ABBers, back when they had a choice among 9 candidates, decided that Kerry was the best man to become the nominee, and thus they supported him. Others supported Dean, Edwards, whoever.

But I suppose it doesn't matter much. The Anybody But Clinton crowd failed in 1996, for the same reasons that the Anybody But Bush crowd will fail this time: eventually, too many people will start actually thinking about their politics, and the end result will push them to a wide variety of other candidates. Not all of them will, but enough to "spoil" the election.

That might very well be true; on the other hand, it might not. We'll find out on November 2nd.

[AKcrab]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Look Millennium, many people would trust ANYBODY but Bush better. Kim Jong Il, Hitler, Satan, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Tyler Durdeen, Mark McManus, Nietzche, Dan Quayle, Richard Nixon ANY ONE BUT BUSH.

Tyler Durdeen?

[voodoo]

Originally posted by AKcrab:
Tyler Durdeen?

I'd vote for him

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by zachs:
Not necessarily...

Yes.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally posted by Millennium:
That letter isn't even consistent with itself. Why would they support Bush if they also support the new Spanish government? This is little more than a poorly-done fake.

Also, I'm surprised to see the Anybody But Bush crowd really starting to show its true colors. Not even giving the slightest thought to who they're voting for, the only real criteria being that the person has a shot at ousting Bush. Some are even in the position of voting against the candidate they really believe in (be that Nader or someone else).

That's what bothers me. All they really care about is their hatred of the man over his ideology (and it isn't about ideology, simply because of the statement that anyone is better). They're as blind as they claim he is. I'm no Bush-lover either, but at least I try and think about the way I want this country to go, and who will come closest to that given that there are no even remotely-perfect matches.

But I suppose it doesn't matter much. The Anybody But Clinton crowd failed in 1996, for the same reasons that the Anybody But Bush crowd will fail this time: eventually, too many people will start actually thinking about their politics, and the end result will push them to a wide variety of other candidates. Not all of them will, but enough to "spoil" the election.

I do think about my choices and I think Bush has been dreadfully terrible for this country. So yes, because of that feeling I have, all I care about is somebody to oust Bush. And yet, out of all the possible candidates who are running I didn't discover any candidate I found more distasteful than Bush. So, my vote is a combination of Anyone-But-Bush and the "lesser-of-two-evils" schools of political thought. I can't stand John Kerry but he is getting my vote as I see him as less dangerous than George W. Bush. If John McCain suddenly announces his candidacy he will be getting my vote over John Kerry AND George W. Bush.

When you say "eventually, too many people will start actually thinking about their politics, and the end result will push them to a wide variety of other candidates". This really scares me because I think that many Americans really like what Bush is doing and really like the stands he has taken on major issues. But I also felt that way during Clinton's second term as well. This is why I am seriously considering emigrating to another country--Canada or the Netherlands being my top two choices--I am ashamed of my fellow citizens and many, if not most, of the beliefs they hold.

[Face Ache]

So if we're expecting the US to be attacked shortly before their election it will be Code Red and "they hate our freedom" time, yeah?

[vmpaul]

Originally posted by Millennium:

That's what bothers me. All they really care about is their hatred of the man over his ideology (and it isn't about ideology, simply because of the statement that anyone is better). They're as blind as they claim he is. I'm no Bush-lover either, but at least I try and think about the way I want this country to go, and who will come closest to that given that there are no even remotely-perfect matches.

Ideology? What ideology? Definitely not the classic Republican ideology:

Balanced budget's? Not even close. Largest budget deficit on record adding to the ever-increasing National Debt.
Small government? Add one new Gov't buracracy and billions thrown into Defense and and Medicare entitlement programs. Largest growth in governments piece of the pie in decades.
States rights? Proposed federal Marriage Amendment.
Individual rights? Patriot Act. One of the biggest rollbacks in individual rights in years.

Jeez, Bush doesn't even follow the ideology he espoused during his campaign. What happened to the guy who talked about building consensus between the parties. He's, IMO, the most divisive president since Nixon.

What happened to the guy who talked about not being arrogant when it came to foreign relations? Almost every step he's taken has been unilateral - Arms Control treaties, Kyoto, World Court, etc. He's done nothing but alienate our allies and the rest of the world. And this was before 9/11! What happened to diplomacy?

What happened to the guy who bragged about being a Compassionate Conservative? With one stroke effectively stunted US basic research into Stem Cells which could possibly help millions of Americans with degenerative diseases. Or how about unleashing his attack-dog AG Ashcroft to close voter-approved medicinal marijuana clubs in my state of CA?

We haven't even got to his disastrous environmental record or Iraq. Or the duplicitous and deceptive way he's carried out almost all of his policies.

Even though I voted for Gore, I wasn't that upset when SCOTUS handed Bush the presidency. He ran as such a moderate that I didn't think he would be that far off from Clinton. But he's done nothing but govern form the far, and I mean FAR right since then. I think he's forgotten that he's the President of ALL the citizens of the US, not just the christian fundamentalists. Even Reagan moved a bit to the center after he was elected.

I'm Anybody-But-Bush because I can't imagine another 4 years in which he won't have to answer to the electorate. Hate him? No, he's an American and just another member of the opposition party. I don't hate him. I'm just scared of what he might do considering he doesn't seem to govern consistently with ANY ideology. He's a wild card.

[zachs]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yes.

Not all hate.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by zachs:
Not all hate.

So tell me. What kind of hatred is justifiable?

[zachs]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
So tell me. What kind of hatred is justifiable?

I hate Osama bin Laden. Why? I have a reason - he's orchestrated the killings of thousands of people.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by zachs:
I hate Osama bin Laden. Why? I have a reason - he's orchestrated the killings of thousands of people.

See while I dislike his actions. I still LOVE OBL and feel sorry for him. He needs caught so he can't lie to people anymore.

But I have no HATRED towards him. He is just another soul that has been deceived.

If there was even the REMOTE chance he turns over a new leaf I would be ALL for it.

While his actions are bad, he is no better or worse than I.

[zachs]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
See while I dislike his actions. I still LOVE OBL and feel sorry for him. He needs caught so he can't lie to people anymore.

But I have no HATRED towards him. He is just another soul that has been deceived.

If there was even the REMOTE chance he turns over a new leaf I would be ALL for it.

While his actions are bad, he is no better or worse than I.

Hey, that's fine.

But that doesn't mean my hatred is out of ignorance.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by zachs:
Hey, that's fine.

But that doesn't mean my hatred is out of ignorance.

ALL hatred stems from ignorance. IMHO.

[zachs]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
ALL hatred stems from ignorance. IMHO.

Ignorant: destitute of knowledge or education.

Because you hate someone, or something, doesn't mean you are uneducated.
Don't get me wrong, some hatred DOES stem from a lack of knowledge. Not all.

But that's my opinion; you are welcome to yours.


Edit: Yay, 1000! I made it.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by zachs:
Not necessarily...

Yes, always. Ignorance begets fear, fear causes anger (then hate).

Don't make me pull out the quote from the "little green guy"...

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by AKcrab:
Tyler Durdeen?

I'd vote for him.


He'd make a great representative on the Anarchist/Libertarian section of the ticket.

[zachs]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Yes, always. Ignorance begets fear, fear causes anger (then hate).

Don't make me pull out the quote from the "little green guy"...

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Well I guess we can't question Yoda, right?

[ghost_flash]

The letter was planted by the Kerry campaign.

LINK

[zachs]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
The letter was planted by the Kerry campaign.

LINK

MacNN.com?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by zachs:
Ignorant: destitute of knowledge or education.

Because you hate someone, or something, doesn't mean you are uneducated.
Don't get me wrong, some hatred DOES stem from a lack of knowledge. Not all.

But that's my opinion; you are welcome to yours.


Edit: Yay, 1000! I made it.

Just because your educated, doesn't mean your hatred isn't bred in ignorance.


Then again I am not the one trying to justify hate.

[zachs]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Just because your educated, doesn't mean your hatred isn't bred in ignorance.


Then again I am not the one trying to justify hate.

*siigh* We'll just agree to disagree then, m'kay?