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Zimphire · Mar 25, 2004, 08:10 PM

http://www.comcast.net/News/INTERNAT...b98d4511.html/

If this is the only thing that comes from the last attack it was worth it.

I commend these people. THEY HAVE GUTS. Unlike the terrorists.

Zimphire · Mar 26, 2004, 10:25 AM

Wow I make a positive post about Palestinians and no one responds.

Spheric Harlot · Mar 26, 2004, 10:27 AM

Yeah...where *IS* vmarks???

Zimphire · Mar 26, 2004, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Yeah...where *IS* vmarks???

He replied in a thread saying he was busy with work.

lil'babykitten · Mar 26, 2004, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
He replied in a thread saying he was busy with work.

I thought you were going to be going away too?

lil'babykitten · Mar 26, 2004, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
http://www.comcast.net/News/INTERNAT...b98d4511.html/

It's good news. One side needs to break the cycle of violence. I'm glad that it looks like the Palestinians will make the better move.

Zimphire · Mar 26, 2004, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
It's good news. One side needs to break the cycle of violence. I'm glad that it looks like the Palestinians will make the better move.

Yeah after Israel has tried so many times before. Some people over there are actually responding.

Zimphire · Mar 26, 2004, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
I thought you were going to be going away too?

I was, GF decided she didn't want to go to the Amusement park after all.

Indecisive women.

lil'babykitten · Mar 26, 2004, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yeah after Israel has tried so many times before.

Nope.

Zimphire · Mar 26, 2004, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Nope.

First let me get this straight. You are saying Israel has never tried to make any peace agreements with Palestine?

I surely hope you aren't trying to pass that off as the truth. For your sake,

phoenixboy · Mar 26, 2004, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yeah after Israel has tried so many times before.

yup, sure have...

israeli "peacenicks".

lil'babykitten · Mar 26, 2004, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
First let me get this straight. You are saying Israel has never tried to make any peace agreements with Palestine?

Under Sharon, hell no.

Same ol' sh1t, different thread. Bored of this topic. So I'm not gonna bite this one.

Zimphire · Mar 26, 2004, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Under Sharon, hell no.

You mean Hell no, you wont admit to anything Sharon puts up as a peace offering.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../07/wmid07.xml

Same ol' sh1t, different thread. Bored of this topic. So I'm not gonna bite this one.

In other words, you are taking your "games" and going home.

Spliffdaddy · Mar 26, 2004, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Under Sharon, hell no.

Same ol' sh1t, different thread. Bored of this topic. So I'm not gonna bite this one.

You already did.

You made an inaccurate statement, then bowed out of the discussion.

lil'babykitten · Mar 26, 2004, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
You already did.

You made an inaccurate statement, then bowed out of the discussion.

No actually, I made an accurate statement. I've made it several times before too within the several thousand threads MacNN has about this issue.

But if your BS makes you feel better then please, go ahead. I'll read, and laugh.

Zimphire · Mar 26, 2004, 11:48 AM

Too bad the statement you claimed to be "accurate" in here was indeed debunked.

Much like the thousands of threads in which you made other "accurate" statements in.

Logic · Mar 26, 2004, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Too bad the statement you claimed to be "accurate" in here was indeed debunked.

Much like the thousands of threads in which you made other "accurate" statements in.

And in that peace offering he states that he will continue to fight terrorism. By that I suspect that he will continue to do what he has done since he joined the Haganah and later Unit 101. And perhaps he will bring up Plan D v.2 as well.

Remember,

War is Peace...

Zimphire · Mar 26, 2004, 11:55 AM

Right, why shouldn't he fight terrorism?

Should he just lay down and let them run all over him and israel?

Of course not.

What I am getting from you guys is the only way you'd see it as a peace offering is if Sharon just gives up, and lets the terrorists have their way.

That isn't a peace offering.

Don't confuse wanting peace with having no backbone.

dcolton · Mar 26, 2004, 01:13 PM

I see it now. Sharon's assisination of Yassin was a brilliant move!
The terrorists are going to attack anyway...Yassin dead or alive.
By killing Yassin, Sharon took a calculated risk in an effort to further destabilize Palestine. Tell me if this is too far fetched.

1. Destroy the leadership: Yes, the terrorist will continue to multiply and someone will take over. But it is still a blow to the stability of any organization when the leadership is eliminated.

2. Force the terrorists' hand: Recruiting mentally challenged children to strap a bomb to their back can't garner too much public opinion. Neither will a spectacular attack resulting in the deaths of multiple Israeli's

3. Polarization of opinions of the Palestinian people. Some Palestinains are urging non-violence - publicaly. Sharon is making life miserable for the palestinians. Maybe some are starting to realize that peace is the solution to a better life. As Israel tightens security - and if they can prevent a major attack while continuing to step up security, maybe a stalemate can be achieved

4. Further seperation between the PLO and Hamas. Perhaps a "civil war" among killers? Maybe the Israel will assisinate Arafat and make it look like it was Hamas. That is what I would do. Or maybe the opposite, assasinate the new Hamas leader and blame it on the PLO. Either way, two opposing factions is a recipe for disaster, and Israel can be a catalyst to further seperate the two by political means and military means.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114906,00.html
Analysts suggested Arafat was caught off guard by the mass protests in the streets. At one point Monday, about 2,000 enraged protesters, some of them firing rifles into the air, gathered outside Arafat's headquarters, banging on the walls and demanding to speak to him.

Yassin was Arafat's main political foe, and Arafat was always careful not to confront the Hamas leader openly. But Yassin's death could make Hamas an even more formidable rival, said Israeli analyst Yossi Alpher.

5. [failed] Attempt to get the UN to link officially terrorist organizations with Palestine. Sharon isn't stupid, I am sure he realized that the UN would attempt to condemn Israel. But if he could get the UN, or any other state besides the US to link the two...it is, in a sense a small victory.

This may be way too far fetched, but I bet there is a master plan.

phoenixboy · Mar 26, 2004, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by dcolton:
This may be way too far fetched, but I bet there is a master plan.

so do i. but i think it's a little bit different.

the plan as i see it (as with every right wing agenda), is to eliminate due process. the assasination of yasin was the first "ping" to see what kind of international reactional is to be expected for taking such measurements. (also to see what the other side is capable of doing about it).

if nothing "big" happens from either side, the action is go! for the complete arbitrary abuse of power (rule by brute force). that way israel could just kill anybody they see fit without anybody that stands in "it's" way, without having to answer to anybody.

this is pretty much the agenda of the right (and has always been). rule by force, dictating from a position of power, and killing anybody who doesn't fall in line...

one of the first steps though, is to eliminate due process (the argument of having to protect onesself is just an easy and welcome excuse) and the constitutional state...

dcolton · Mar 26, 2004, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by phoenixboy:
so do i. but i think it's a little bit different.

the plan as i see it (as with every right wing agenda), is to eliminate due process. the assasination of yasin was the first "ping" to see what kind of international reactional is to be expected for taking such measurements. (also to see what the other side is capable of doing about it).

if nothing "big" happens from either side, the action is go! for the complete arbitrary abuse of power (rule by brute force). that way israel could just kill anybody they see fit without anybody that stands in "it's" way, without having to answer to anybody.

this is pretty much the agenda of the right (and has always been). rule by force, dictating from a position of power, and killing anybody who doesn't fall in line...

one of the first steps though, is to eliminate due process (the argument of having to protect onesself is just an easy and welcome excuse) and the constitutional state...

Do you think that conservatives are evil? Honest question...just trying to get an understanding.