[ghost_flash]

If she were a Democrat and were being treated like this, Jesse would be at the nearest microphone calling for a press conference and playing the race card! How dare they treat a hard working public servant! How dare they treat an intelligent and successful black woman, just because she has achieved such a position through hard work and doing what is right!

Where is he? On vacation?

The non-existence of any black leadership supporting her and coming to her defense is deafening.

Discuss.

[voodoo]

Rice? She's a white man's bitch.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Rice? She's a white man's bitch.

Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt, eh?

How *wise* you are, not to address the actuall topic of the thread, but instead you apply the typical tactic and classic blunders of many unthinking liberals. You use a character assasination that makes no sense at all.

Here is an intelligent and succesfull black woman who has achieved a very high post, and all you can do is call her a b*tch. Tell me, if that is true, then what does that make Clarke? The man that thought he deserved her job but was demoted beneath her.

[Dakar]

If I remember correctly, JJ steppe dout of the spotlight when he admitted to having a child outside of his marriage.

He may have done 1 or 2 interviews since then.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
If she were a Democrat and were being treated like this, Jesse would be at the nearest microphone calling for a press conference and playing the race card! How dare they treat a hard working public servant! How dare they treat an intelligent and successful black woman, just because she has achieved such a position through hard work and doing what is right!

Where is he? On vacation?

The non-existence of any black leadership supporting her and coming to her defense is deafening.

Discuss.

you apparently believe she needs defending based on her race, instead of being defended based on her politics.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt, eh?

How *wise* you are, not to address the actuall topic of the thread, but instead you apply the typical tactic and classic blunders of many unthinking liberals. You use a character assasination that makes no sense at all.

Here is an intelligent and succesfull black woman who has achieved a very high post, and all you can do is call her a b*tch. Tell me, if that is true, then what does that make Clarke? The man that thought he deserved her job but was demoted beneath her.

To answer your first question: yes.

Second: I push you jump

Third: Makes sense to me and what I've seen of her.

Fourth: Can do? That's all she deserves IMO.

Fifth: Another lapdog?

Sixth: Tough cookie.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
you apparently believe she needs defending based on her race, instead of being defended based on her politics.

No more or less than anyone else Jesse Jackson has come to the aid of.
Where is he anyway? Why do you suppose he is silent this time? Is there no money in it for him?

If you think by twisting my statements around to take a jab will work, then you are quite wrong, and it makes you look quite silly. Your credibility is declining the more you post.

Keep it up.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
No more or less than anyone else Jesse Jackson has come to the aid of.
Where is he anyway? Why do you suppose he is silent this time? Is there no money in it for him?

Dakar has a good suggestion.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by voodoo:
To answer your first question: yes.

Second: I push you jump

Third: Makes sense to me and what I've seen of her.

Fourth: Can do? That's all she deserves IMO.

Fifth: Another lapdog?

Sixth: Tough cookie.

---

Firstly, after grading your responses and giving them each considerable weight, you have been found, wanting.

Secondly, you admit to playing a childish game of push and shove on the internet? Don't make me pull out the "Special Olympics" poster.

Third, forth, fifth, and sixth, you need to get your eyes checked; you are a pig; he's the b*tch; and bitter grapes for sure. Like you now, and after Bush is reelected.

Have a great election year. I know I am having a great time, and will be celebrating for another 4 years.

<pussycat>

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
No more or less than anyone else Jesse Jackson has come to the aid of.
Where is he anyway? Why do you suppose he is silent this time? Is there no money in it for him?

If you think by twisting my statements around to take a jab will work, then you are quite wrong, and it makes you look quite silly. Your credibility is declining the more you post.

Keep it up.

really? you expect a democrat to defend a republican for her policy simply because she's also african american.

My point was you think she need defending based on her race instead of her politics.

It makes no sense for a democrat to defend a republican, does it? Shouldn't other republicans defend her?
Therefore, since you single out Jesse Jackson as her knight, doesn't that imply you're basing that on race rather than her competency, profession, or politics?

I don't think MY credibility is on the line, in this instance.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:

Have a great election year. I know I am having a great time, and will be celebrating for another 4 years.

<pussycat>

Oh yeah I've got a good feeling about this election year. Kinda miffed that Dean didn't get the nomination but at least Kerry will win

Yheeeehaw!

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Oh yeah I've got a good feeling about this election year. Kinda miffed that Dean didn't get the nomination but at least Kerry will win

Yheeeehaw!

[voodoo]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:

Is that gonna be your reaction when Kerry wins?

[Zimphire]

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Oh yeah I've got a good feeling about this election year. Kinda miffed that Dean didn't get the nomination but at least Kerry will win

Yheeeehaw!

I don't see pigs flying out my window yet...

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I don't see pigs flying out my window yet...

The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.

[Zimphire]

I am sure everyone understood that.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I am sure everyone understood that.

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

[nredman]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Rice? She's a white man's bitch.

*LOL*

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

When, precisely, did the Brain Damage occur?

[phoenixboy]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:Where is he? On vacation?

yeah, where is he? god knows she needs all the "defense" she can get these days, being that she is up to her neck in shiat!

i'm afraid not even the great jesse jackson could get her out of this one...

[typoon]

My other questions where is the ACLU and the NAACP on this as well? if this was a liberal black woman getting the same attacks as Condi Rice they'd be all over the person or party doing the attack? I thought they were for all blacks. same with the "Reverend" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Where are all these groups? Oh that's right they only defend a black person if they agree with them. So much for defending everyone of color.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by voodoo:
I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

You're from a northern European country, for you EVERYTHING is hard to pronounce.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by typoon:
My other questions where is the ACLU and the NAACP on this as well? if this was a liberal black woman getting the same attacks as Condi Rice they'd be all over the person or party doing the attack? I thought they were for all blacks. same with the "Reverend" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Where are all these groups? Oh that's right they only defend a black person if they agree with them. So much for defending everyone of color.

excellent point.


The NAACP and the ACLU are simply organizations dedicated to promoting liberalism.

[zigzag]

Originally posted by typoon:
My other questions where is the ACLU and the NAACP on this as well? if this was a liberal black woman getting the same attacks as Condi Rice they'd be all over the person or party doing the attack? I thought they were for all blacks. same with the "Reverend" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Where are all these groups? Oh that's right they only defend a black person if they agree with them. So much for defending everyone of color.

Do you guys even stop to think before writing this stuff? What does the ACLU have to do with Richard Clarke or Condi Rice?

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by typoon:
My other questions where is the ACLU and the NAACP on this as well? if this was a liberal black woman getting the same attacks as Condi Rice they'd be all over the person or party doing the attack? I thought they were for all blacks. same with the "Reverend" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Where are all these groups? Oh that's right they only defend a black person if they agree with them. So much for defending everyone of color.

I'm unclear how she is being attacked. Can you elaborate?

[Spliffdaddy]

lol.

[zigzag]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The NAACP and the ACLU are simply organizations dedicated to promoting liberalism.

True to a point. It probably has something to do with the fact that, historically, it has predominately been conservatives who have (a) blocked the advancement of colored people, and (b) tried to impair civil liberties (note that lib is a root of both liberty and liberal). Not always, but mostly.

However, this hasn't prevented our drug-addled friend, Rush Limbaugh, from enlisting the help of the ACLU so that he won't have to go up the same river that he recommends for other drug users.

[Spliffdaddy]

Rush Limbaugh?

who the hell mentioned Rush Limbaugh?


That guy really pisses off the liberals. Since they can't ever seem to prove him wrong.

[zigzag]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Rush Limbaugh?

who the hell mentioned Rush Limbaugh?

I did, in order to illustrate that (a) it was ignorant to mention the ACLU, and (b) the ACLU is not "simply an organization dedicated to promoting liberalism." Unless, of course, Rush has changed sides.

So can anyone explain what the ACLU has to do with Condi Rice? Has she called them? Maybe she can't locate their number. I'll fax it to her.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
You're from a northern European country, for you EVERYTHING is hard to pronounce.

Touché

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by zigzag:
True to a point. It probably has something to do with the fact that, historically, it has predominately been conservatives who have (a) blocked the advancement of colored people, and (b) tried to impair civil liberties (note that lib is a root of both liberty and liberal). Not always, but mostly.

Oh yeah, because Lincoln was such a liberal. Then of course we have the southern democrats who tried to block the ERA, not once, not twice, but 3 times... and don't even get me started on LBJ and his blatant racism. He blocked desegregation attempts in Texas while he was speaker of the Tesas house, 4 times. Look at the voting records of your "Liberal" heroes before attempting to blast the right.

[phoenixboy]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The NAACP and the ACLU are simply organizations dedicated to promoting liberalism.

doesn't "naacp" stand for "national association for the advancement of colored people". i don't think the role condi is playing actually constitutes an advancement of women of "color"!

same goes for the "american civil liberties union"!

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by phoenixboy:
doesn't "naacp" stand for "national association for the advancement of colored people". i don't think the role condi is playing actually constitutes an advancement of women of "color"!

same goes for the "american civil liberties union"!

Because EVERYONE knows that people only attack Liberal black women.

This is just BS. As said earlier, if Dr. Rice were a Democrat "Jessee and Co." would be camped out at her house wailing their woes about how she's being oppressed... actually, I'd say they'd do that for her as a Republican, if she wrote him a nice, fat check.

[saab95]

Where is Jesse Jackson to defend C. Rice?

At home, playing with his ding-a-ling.

[phoenixboy]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Because EVERYONE knows that people only attack Liberal black women.

no, because everyone knows that republicanism or conservativism hardly spells "advancement", or "civil liberty" for that matter.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Because EVERYONE knows that people only attack Liberal black women.

This is just BS. As said earlier, if Dr. Rice were a Democrat "Jessee and Co." would be camped out at her house wailing their woes about how she's being oppressed... actually, I'd say they'd do that for her as a Republican, if she wrote him a nice, fat check.

again, how is she being oppressed, or even attacked, for that matter by the commission?
As far as I can tell, all that is being requested is for her to testify under oath, publicly.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
again, how is she being oppressed, or even attacked, for that matter by the commission?
As far as I can tell, all that is being requested is for her to testify under oath, publicly.

No, she doesn't need the help. She's an intelligent, strong, and capable conservative woman. Not to be confused with the weak and "oppressed" black ladies of the Left. Who, no doubt, would have been crying by now.

As far as the testimony goes, I suppose Exectutive Privilege protection for an adviser only comes into play when you're Liberal and not the target of the Leftist agenda.

Riiiight?

[Spliffdaddy]

right.

[phoenixboy]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Who, no doubt, would have been crying by now.

over what? that she might get thrown in jail for lying her a$$ off under oath???

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by phoenixboy:
over what? that she might get thrown in jail for lying her a$$ off under oath???

No, I think simply having to testify in front of "the man" would be enough to break most of them.

[phoenixboy]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
No, I think simply having to testify in front of "the man" would be enough to break most of them.

exactly. it takes sooo much more curage to testify under oath, than sitting in the "wrong" section of the bus in the sixties!

or as you would put it, - riiiiight!

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by phoenixboy:
exactly. it takes sooo much more curage to testify under oath, than sitting in the "wrong" section of the bus in the sixties!

or as you would put it, - riiiiight!

???, and if the Dems hadn't been working so hard to block the ERA, Ms. Parks wouldn't have had to. Comparing the two, yes, Dr. Rice is doing something that no other black woman in her position has ever done, and standing up for what she said and did.

and no, I don't think that any of Jesee's "Liberal Ladies of the Left" could handle testifying like that.

[phoenixboy]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
???, and if the Dems hadn't been working so hard to block the ERA, Ms. Parks wouldn't have had to. Comparing the two, yes, Dr. Rice is doing something that no other black woman in her position has ever done, and standing up for what she said and did.

suuuure, that's because no other "black woman" HAS BEEN in her position. LOL and blaming institutionalized racism and segregation on "the dems" is absolutely...silly™!

Originally posted by MacNStein:

and no, I don't think that any of Jesee's "Liberal Ladies of the Left" could handle testifying like that.

right, like oprah couldn't handle that! *g* or diana ross for that matter.

[zigzag]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
???, and if the Dems hadn't been working so hard to block the ERA, Ms. Parks wouldn't have had to. Comparing the two, yes, Dr. Rice is doing something that no other black woman in her position has ever done, and standing up for what she said and did.

and no, I don't think that any of Jesee's "Liberal Ladies of the Left" could handle testifying like that.

The ERA? You don't even know what you're talking about.

And you're saying that Barbara Jordan and Shirley Chisolm, among others, weren't competent black women? Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Obviously, Jesse Jackson is partial to liberal causes. I mean, duh. But bringing the ACLU and the ERA into it, and saying that conservative black women are more capable than liberal black women, only displays wholesale ignorance. You guys need to get a grip.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
No, she doesn't need the help. She's an intelligent, strong, and capable conservative woman. Not to be confused with the weak and "oppressed" black ladies of the Left. Who, no doubt, would have been crying by now.

As far as the testimony goes, I suppose Exectutive Privilege protection for an adviser only comes into play when you're Liberal and not the target of the Leftist agenda.

Riiiight?

hyperbole aside, you're really not addressing my question. If some of you think she needs Jesse or the NAACP or the ACLU to defend her, it begs the question of what she needs defending from, or what wrong she has suffered that needs recompense or amelioration.

Again, I"ll be happy to reiterat: What oppression is she suffering, or even what attack is she suffering from the commission by requesting her to testify publicly under oath?

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by phoenixboy:
suuuure, that's because no other "black woman" HAS BEEN in her position. LOL and blaming institutionalized racism and segregation on "the dems" is absolutely...silly™!



right, like oprah couldn't handle that! *g* or diana ross for that matter.

Nope, I don't think they could.

and check out the voting in congress and the senate in regards to how the Dems voted for the ERA (specifically the southern Dems), and see for yourself.

Edit: and look who it was who gave her a chance... a conservative white male. Damn, I bet that chaps the Lefties' butts.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by zigzag:
The ERA? You don't even know what you're talking about.

And you're saying that Barbara Jordan and Shirley Chisolm, among others, weren't competent black women? Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Obviously, Jesse Jackson is partial to liberal causes. I mean, duh. But bringing the ACLU and the ERA into it, and saying that conservative black women are more capable than liberal black women, only displays wholesale ignorance. You guys need to get a grip.

Yes, they simply ARE more capable, and don't need the strong Liberal man to speak for them.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
hyperbole aside, you're really not addressing my question. If some of you think she needs Jesse or the NAACP or the ACLU to defend her, it begs the question of what she needs defending from, or what wrong she has suffered that needs recompense or amelioration.

Again, I"ll be happy to reiterat: What oppression is she suffering, or even what attack is she suffering from the commission by requesting her to testify publicly under oath?

I guess you were snoozing when we were discussing Exectutive Privilege earlier...

"As far as the testimony goes, I suppose Exectutive Privilege protection for an adviser only comes into play when you're Liberal and not the target of the Leftist agenda."

No, Dr. Rice doesn't need the help, she's doing fine without Jesee and the rest of the "Card" players.