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Zimphire · Mar 30, 2004, 04:46 PM

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=60313

If it would, Israel wouldn't have to do anything.

SubGeniux · Mar 30, 2004, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=60313

If it would, Israel wouldn't have to do anything.

Unlike the person in the article, suicide bombings happen in Israel, not the Occuppied Teritories, so stopping the bombers is under the jurisdiction of the Israelis, Palestinians can't exactly go around finding out who is going to be carrying out attacks.

Logic · Mar 30, 2004, 06:00 PM

So when is the destruction of their families houses scheduled? And why didn't they use an Apache or F-16 to fire a couple of missiles when they went downtown Haifa to shop groceries?

I thought that was the way to deal with terrorists

Zimphire · Mar 30, 2004, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Unlike the person in the article, suicide bombings happen in Israel, not the Occuppied Teritories,

Yes, but they are carried out by whom?

so stopping the bombers is under the jurisdiction of the Israelis,

I'd say Palestine should be responsible for their own. Don't you?

Palestinians can't exactly go around finding out who is going to be carrying out attacks.

Why can't they? That is what they SHOULD be doing.

Originally posted by Logic:
So when is the destruction of their families houses scheduled? And why didn't they use an Apache or F-16 to fire a couple of missiles when they went downtown Haifa to shop groceries?

Again, if Palestine would take care of their own, this wouldn't be needed.

I've never seen Palestine punishing their terrorists. They praise them and call them freedom fighters and such.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 05:04 AM

Could the US stop the Oklahoma bomber? How about 9/11, the first Trade centre bombing, the una-bomber, the various murders that go on every day? How about the unique US situation of school shootings? Preventable? If so, why not?

It's unrealsitic to assume that the Palestinian authority can prevent every single individual who wants to strap a bomb to their waste and go walkabout in downtown Tel-Aviv. Yes, the Palestininans shold do what they can to prevent them if and when they find out, but if a bomber makes his/her way into Israel, then it's up to Israel to stop them? If Israel can't stop them, then how do you expect the Palestinians do so too?

Shaddim · Mar 31, 2004, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Could the US stop the Oklahoma bomber? How about 9/11, the first Trade centre bombing, the una-bomber, the various murders that go on every day? How about the unique US situation of school shootings? Preventable? If so, why not?

It's unrealsitic to assume that the Palestinian authority can prevent every single individual who wants to strap a bomb to their waste and go walkabout in downtown Tel-Aviv. Yes, the Palestininans shold do what they can to prevent them if and when they find out, but if a bomber makes his/her way into Israel, then it's up to Israel to stop them? If Israel can't stop them, then how do you expect the Palestinians do so too?

The big difference is that people like Timothy Mcveigh don't go advertising that they're terrorists, they don't claim responsibility, and they sure as hell don't brag about it to their neighbors. The Palesitians idolize their murderers and their gov't doesn't show any initiative in stopping them.

Right now Israel needs to increase the pressure and attacks on terrorist cells, even if the cowards surround themselves with "innocent" civilians (ie. MORE missile attacks, MORE sniper runs, and MORE checkpoints). Make the situation rise to the point where the Muslim Arabs turn on the terrorists. It's the only way.

dcolton · Mar 31, 2004, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Could the US stop the Oklahoma bomber? How about 9/11, the first Trade centre bombing, the una-bomber, the various murders that go on every day? How about the unique US situation of school shootings? Preventable? If so, why not?

It's unrealsitic to assume that the Palestinian authority can prevent every single individual who wants to strap a bomb to their waste and go walkabout in downtown Tel-Aviv. Yes, the Palestininans shold do what they can to prevent them if and when they find out, but if a bomber makes his/her way into Israel, then it's up to Israel to stop them? If Israel can't stop them, then how do you expect the Palestinians do so too?

But for every act you mentioned, a large number of attempted incidents have been stopped (in the US). It's called making an effort...which the Palestinians do not do. I wonder why.

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Could the US stop the Oklahoma bomber?

I never said STOP. I said punish. And indeed we DID punish the people responsible.

How about 9/11, the first Trade centre bombing, the una-bomber, the various murders that go on every day? How about the unique US situation of school shootings? Preventable? If so, why not?

Again, I am talking about punishing these people. Not STOPPING it from happening.

It's unrealsitic to assume that the Palestinian authority can prevent every single individual who wants to strap a bomb to their waste and go walkabout in downtown Tel-Aviv. Yes, the Palestininans shold do what they can to prevent them if and when they find out, but if a bomber makes his/her way into Israel, then it's up to Israel to stop them? If Israel can't stop them, then how do you expect the Palestinians do so too?

Again, I never said they was ABLE TO STOP IT. I just said when it HAPPENS they should punish those responsible. THEY DON'T. They call them FREEDOM FIGHTERS. And Martyrs.

Logic · Mar 31, 2004, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Right now Israel needs to increase the pressure and attacks on terrorist cells, even if the cowards surround themselves with "innocent" civilians (ie. MORE missile attacks, MORE sniper runs, and MORE checkpoints). Make the situation rise to the point where the Muslim Arabs turn on the terrorists. It's the only way.

Do you really think that is the way to get people to turn on the terrorists? By increasing pressure on the innocent civilians, increasing the suffering of the innocent civilians, and killing more innocent civilians?

And it seem the recent trouble Sharon is in has already got him to incite more violence. The latest reports is that Israel bans UN relief efforts in Gaza. They have banned all UN vehicles to enter Gaza with food. Do you think this will make more innocent civilians turn on the terrorists? Or get even more frustrated and hopeless?

Logic · Mar 31, 2004, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by dcolton:
But for every act you mentioned, a large number of attempted incidents have been stopped (in the US). It's called making an effort...which the Palestinians do not do. I wonder why.

Well, it is kind of useless when Israel has been known to attack the Palestinian jails after the PA has arrested them.

Logic · Mar 31, 2004, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

I never said STOP. I said punish. And indeed we DID punish the people responsible.
[/b] Again, I am talking about punishing these people. Not STOPPING it from happening.

Again, I never said they was ABLE TO STOP IT. I just said when it HAPPENS they should punish those responsible. THEY DON'T. They call them FREEDOM FIGHTERS. And Martyrs. [/B]

How do you punish someone that is in a million pieces and dead?

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
Do you really think that is the way to get people to turn on the terrorists? By increasing pressure on the innocent civilians, increasing the suffering of the innocent civilians, and killing more innocent civilians?

Wait, you aren't saying Palestinians are FOR terrorism are you?

Originally posted by Logic:
How do you punish someone that is in a million pieces and dead?

You go after the groups that set it up. These aren't just people planning this by themselves.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
The big difference is that people like Timothy Mcveigh don't go advertising that they're terrorists, they don't claim responsibility, and they sure as hell don't brag about it to their neighbors. The Palesitians idolize their murderers and their gov't doesn't show any initiative in stopping them.

Right now Israel needs to increase the pressure and attacks on terrorist cells, even if the cowards surround themselves with "innocent" civilians (ie. MORE missile attacks, MORE sniper runs, and MORE checkpoints). Make the situation rise to the point where the Muslim Arabs turn on the terrorists. It's the only way.

That wasn't the question though, Zim was implying that to prevent any terrorist acts in Israel, it could easily be done if the Palestinian authourity clamped down. It won't happen, and it wouldn't work. Look at the IRA and UDA in the UK, no amount of British involvement ever completely stopped attacks in N.Ireland, and despite the occasional successes, the mainlamd UK still got bombed every so often.

So what you're saying that, is the whole Palestinian nation is behind the suicide bombers, if so, then it would be immpossible for any Palestinian Gov. to ever prevent terrorist attacks in Israel.

Again, we come back to square one, how should terrorism be prevented in Israel? Israel can't sop it, neither can the Palestinians. So to come back to Zim's assertion, then it is fairly short-sighted to think that Arafat can erradicate every bomber, or potential bomber, if it's so ingrained in their culture.

eklipse · Mar 31, 2004, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
How do you punish someone that is in a million pieces and dead?

Have you ever heard of someone being in a million pieces and not being dead?

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
That wasn't the question though, Zim was implying that to prevent any terrorist acts in Israel, it could easily be done if the Palestinian authourity clamped down.

That should be happening too, but that wasn't what I was saying. Palestine should be going after and punishing people that plan these attacks.

It won't happen, and it wouldn't work. Look at the IRA and UDA in the UK, no amount of British involvement ever completely stopped attacks in N.Ireland, and despite the occasional successes, the mainlamd UK still got bombed every so often.

But that isn't WHY they aren't stopping it. They promote it!

So what you're saying that, is the whole Palestinian nation is behind the suicide bombers, if so, then it would be immpossible for any Palestinian Gov. to ever prevent terrorist attacks in Israel.

You get it.

Again, we come back to square one, how should terrorism be prevented in Israel? Israel can't sop it, neither can the Palestinians. So to come back to Zim's assertion, then it is fairly short-sighted to think that Arafat can erradicate every bomber, or potential bomber, if it's so ingrained in their culture.

Again, I said punish the people who do it. But they don't do that. They treat them like HEROS!

And THAT is the difference between Israel and Palestine.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

I never said STOP. I said punish. And indeed we DID punish the people responsible.
[/b] Again, I am talking about punishing these people. Not STOPPING it from happening.

Again, I never said they was ABLE TO STOP IT. I just said when it HAPPENS they should punish those responsible. THEY DON'T. They call them FREEDOM FIGHTERS. And Martyrs. [/B]

No Zim, in your first post to which I replied, you said that if the Palestinians did what the Israelis did in that article, then Israel wouldn't have to do it, your exact words. That implys that the Palestinians in the first instance are even able to prevent it, which is very doubtful. Also, let's go on what you said above about punishing them, punish whp exactly? The bombers? They're dead, they die once the bomb goes off, many bombers don't even belong to any group, they just get together with a few mates and decide to go do it, so who exactly do you punish?

dcolton · Mar 31, 2004, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
That wasn't the question though, Zim was implying that to prevent any terrorist acts in Israel, it could easily be done if the Palestinian authourity clamped down. It won't happen, and it wouldn't work. Look at the IRA and UDA in the UK, no amount of British involvement ever completely stopped attacks in N.Ireland, and despite the occasional successes, the mainlamd UK still got bombed every so often.

So what you're saying that, is the whole Palestinian nation is behind the suicide bombers, if so, then it would be immpossible for any Palestinian Gov. to ever prevent terrorist attacks in Israel.

Again, we come back to square one, how should terrorism be prevented in Israel? Israel can't sop it, neither can the Palestinians. So to come back to Zim's assertion, then it is fairly short-sighted to think that Arafat can erradicate every bomber, or potential bomber, if it's so ingrained in their culture.

No one is saying erradicating every killer is posisble. But what we are saying is that MAKING AN EFFORT is not only the MORAL thing to do, but it is a 1st step towards peace. Palestinians DO want peace don't they? (Please answer that question).

Logic,

1st, are you going to answer my questions in your Israel Colonist state thread?

2nd, PA doesnt have a very strong record of incarcerating terrorists...and when they do...it is a straw prison.

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
No Zim, in your first post to which I replied, you said that if the Palestinians did what the Israelis did in that article, then Israel wouldn't have to do it, your exact words.

The article was about Israel charging people with anti-arab terrorism.
I was wondering why Palestine doesn't charge it's people with anti-Israeli terrorism.

That is what this was about.

That implys that the Palestinians in the first instance are even able to prevent it, which is very doubtful.

They are the one that is doing it. so yes, they CAN prevent themselves from doing it. But not that it has anything to do with my post.

Also, let's go on what you said above about punishing them, punish whp exactly? The bombers? They're dead, they die once the bomb goes off, many bombers don't even belong to any group, they just get together with a few mates and decide to go do it, so who exactly do you punish?

Not from what we have seen. Groups are directly involved with these bombings most of the time.

It slides downhill.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

That should be happening too, but that wasn't what I was saying. Palestine should be going after and punishing people that plan these attacks.
[/b]
But that isn't WHY they aren't stopping it. They promote it!
[/b] You get it.

Again, I said punish the people who do it. But they don't do that. They treat them like HEROS!

And THAT is the difference between Israel and Palestine. [/B]

See, it's not as simple as that. many of these bombers don't have any support, not from groups like islamic jihad, hamas, PLA, PlO, etc.

Also, if you look at some cases in which the bombers have been associated with a particular group, Araft's police actaully rounded up suspected members who were planning further attacsk, and they are in prison right now, and have been for a while.

You forget that the resources behind the palestinians are nowhere near as effective as the isralies, and that the support enojoyed by them, is ingrained in Palestinian society. How do you remove all that from an entire peolpe? You don't. israel needs to make drastic changes in its policy towards them, make more than a few steps, let the Palestinians see that life can get better, and co-existence can happen.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

The article was about Israel charging people with anti-arab terrorism.
I was wondering why Palestine doesn't charge it's people with anti-Israeli terrorism.

That is what this was about.
[/b] They are the one that is doing it. so yes, they CAN prevent themselves from doing it. But not that it has anything to do with my post.

Not from what we have seen. Groups are directly involved with these bombings most of the time.

It slides downhill. [/B]

The article was more than just anti-Arab sentiments, the accused has carried out many bombings already on Arab targets. Where was Israel during that time?

It's not as easy, adn clear cut as you make out Zimphire, we have a nation living under seige, in which their lives ar evirtually worthless to many, and see know hope. How can we ever prevent a caged up people from using extreme measures to escape the life they have? We can't.

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:07 AM

Sub, my point is, The Gov FUNDS these people.

Take a look at this thread.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=207649

saab95 · Mar 31, 2004, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I've never seen Palestine punishing their terrorists. They praise them and call them freedom fighters and such.

However, Arafat has been know to order the execution of his political opponents.

Left alone to their misery, perhaps the Palestinians can kill each other.

Logic · Mar 31, 2004, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by dcolton:
Logic,

1st, are you going to answer my questions in your Israel Colonist state thread?

Yup, just been busy.

:goes to read my thread:

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Sub, my point is, The Gov FUNDS these people.

Take a look at this thread.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=207649

They have done, on occasions, but it's not as clear cut as that.we have right-wing Israeli hawks who have told us this many a time, but in many cases, it turns out to be not the case. Thing is though, at what point do we say the Gov. are funding terrorists? When the Admin. is funding a local school in which 4 pupils sudden;y blow themselves up? I've seen this happen, in which israel then accuses Arafat of funding terrorism, but the reality was that the funds, much of it from the EU, and US was being poured into educational facilities. In times like htis, it's sometimes too easy to believe some of the rhetoric being put out by each side.

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by saab95:
However, Arafat has been know to order the execution of his political opponents.

Easier to stay in power that way.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by saab95:
However, Arafat has been know to order the execution of his political opponents.

Left alone to their misery, perhaps the Palestinians can kill each other.

Israel will tear itself apart before that, our society is a very divided one between Jews. It won't be the Palestinians who weaken us, it'll be ourselves.

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
They have done, on occasions, but it's not as clear cut as that.

So are you saying the man that is being interviewed is lying? Are you saying that article is wrong?

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Israel will tear itself apart before that, our society is a very divided one between Jews. It won't be the Palestinians who weaken us, it'll be ourselves.

Israel isn't going anywhere.

tazwegion · Mar 31, 2004, 09:14 AM

You wanna' know why they call them FREEDOM FIGHTERS? would you fight for the re-aquistion of the land your father, his father and fathers before him toiled on/for, and even had a deed/title (which extended back many generations)?

In short you would...

The Arab & the Jew, are cousins no less, this bickering is ridiculous, and unfortunately I can't see any end to it soon, especially with these aerial 'hitman' style tatics used by the Israeli Military...

This razing of bombers homes, and families is so mafia-like in methodolgy, it's not working only creating more angry Palastinians...

Terrorism is wrong period.

But lets not forget the 1950's bombing of a certain hotel by Zionist 'freedom fighters' prior to the recognition of the Iraeli's right to co-exist/habitate in the previously named Palestine (formerly a British protectorate).

"Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword..."

"Two wrongs never make a right..."

Tolerance from both parties is 'mandatory' for any peace deal to work...

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

So are you saying the man that is being interviewed is lying? Are you saying that article is wrong? [/B]

Nope, i'm saying that the article is not indicative of every situation. Let's not forget one thing, many palestinians are israeli informers, for what ever reason, and their testimony is not always to be trusted. Do you remember the exposure of Israel actually funding hamas, via informers? I wonder why that was? It's in Israel's interests to ensure that the Palestinains remain demonised, and at hte bottom end of respect, makes it easier to then use any method you want to eliminate them.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Israel isn't going anywhere.

Oh it is my friend, and not to a place I want to come home to either.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by tazwegion:
You wanna' know why they call them FREEDOM FIGHTERS? would you fight for the re-aquistion of the land your father, his father and fathers before him toiled on/for, and even had a deed/title (which extended back many generations)?

In short you would...

The Arab & the Jew, are cousins no less, this bickering is ridiculous, and unfortunately I can't see any end to it soon, especially with these aerial 'hitman' style tatics used by the Israeli Military...

This razing of bombers homes, and families is so mafia-like in methodolgy, it's not working only creating more angry Palastinians...

Terrorism is wrong period.

But lets not forget the 1950's bombing of a certain hotel by Zionist 'freedom fighters' prior to the recognition of the Iraeli's right to co-exist/habitate in the previously named Palestine (formerly a British protectorate).

"Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword..."

"Two wrongs never make a right..."

Tolerance from both parties is 'mandatory' for any peace deal to work...

Yup. I was sickened by the raising of bombers homes, and the retribution being poured out to them by this heavy hand of Israel. I'm as guilty as any other israeli since I had to do my service in the IDF. You learn a lot when you walk into the grounds of a Palestinians home, and tell a mother, and 2 chilrdern to get out while we bulldoze it to the ground.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 09:23 AM

Zim - one question. What's your view of the Christians in the occupied territories that you see out every day protesting against Israel? throwing stones at soldiers? Christians make up quite a sizeable minority there, vitually all against the occupation.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2004, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by dcolton:
No one is saying erradicating every killer is posisble. But what we are saying is that MAKING AN EFFORT is not only the MORAL thing to do, but it is a 1st step towards peace. Palestinians DO want peace don't they? (Please answer that question).

Answer what? That to ensure that steps are being made to prevent terrorism, is to somehow come down hard on those that support bombings, or violence against Israel? be my guest, cause you'll have to persuade virtually every Palestinian, since most of them absolutely believe in fighting back. The first step to peace is for the major power to make those moves, the occupying power to do so. They do that, and you'll se Palestinians make their move.

dcolton · Mar 31, 2004, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Answer what? That to ensure that steps are being made to prevent terrorism, is to somehow come down hard on those that support bombings, or violence against Israel? be my guest, cause you'll have to persuade virtually every Palestinian, since most of them absolutely believe in fighting back. The first step to peace is for the major power to make those moves, the occupying power to do so. They do that, and you'll se Palestinians make their move.

I am just asking if Palestinians want peace. Yes or no is all the question requires.

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Nope, i'm saying that the article is not indicative of every situation. Let's not forget one thing, many palestinians are israeli informers, for what ever reason, and their testimony is not always to be trusted. Do you remember the exposure of Israel actually funding hamas, via informers? I wonder why that was? It's in Israel's interests to ensure that the Palestinains remain demonised, and at hte bottom end of respect, makes it easier to then use any method you want to eliminate them.

Ok, but are you agreeing that the Gov DOES sponsor terrorism?

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Oh it is my friend, and not to a place I want to come home to either.

Is that what your crystal ball told you?

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Zim - one question. What's your view of the Christians in the occupied territories that you see out every day protesting against Israel? throwing stones at soldiers? Christians make up quite a sizeable minority there, vitually all against the occupation.

I think they are disillusioned. They probably hate Jews too because they killed Jesus!

But worship a Jew in the process.

It's silly.

eklipse · Mar 31, 2004, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Ok, but are you agreeing that the Gov DOES sponsor terrorism?

They would call it 'freedom fighting' - but, yes.

Likewise, the Israeli government would say they are 'acting in self-defense' - but they are still practicing state-sponsored terrorism.

tazwegion · Mar 31, 2004, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Is that what your crystal ball told you?

He wouldn't need one... common sense is enough to tell anyone (except you obviuosly) that a s*** storm is coming Israel's way if things in the Middle East don't change.

SubGeniux good point about the Christians 'in the zone'...

voodoo · Mar 31, 2004, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I think they are disillusioned. They probably hate Jews too because they killed Jesus!

You don't even know the meaning of the word 'disillusioned'. Heh.

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by eklipse:
They would call it 'freedom fighting' - but, yes.

Likewise, the Israeli government would say they are 'acting in self-defense' - but they are still practicing state-sponsored terrorism.

You can call defending yourself terrorism till the cows come home. It wont be any truer.

Once the terrorists stop, and if Israel STILL does it, THEN you may have a point.

But we will never know will we?

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by tazwegion:
He wouldn't need one... common sense is enough to tell anyone (except you obviuosly) that a s*** storm is coming Israel's way if things in the Middle East don't change.

What common sense is that? Who is going to cause this storm?

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by voodoo:
You don't even know the meaning of the word 'disillusioned'. Heh.

Do you ever have anything interesting to say? Ever?

dcolton · Mar 31, 2004, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by tazwegion:
He wouldn't need one... common sense is enough to tell anyone (except you obviuosly) that a s*** storm is coming Israel's way if things in the Middle East don't change.

It's been tried before to no avail. When the storm settles, Israel will be stronger than ever and the killers will be cowaring in caves.

tazwegion · Mar 31, 2004, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

What common sense is that? Who is going to cause this storm?

Open your eyes... who are always restless in the M.E.?

Common sense enough... that if you keep kicking a dog long enough, it'll up and bite you in the reproductive organs

Israel has 'ticked off' Washington with that little Hama's hit... without the US backing/supplies etc. Israel would've been overrun long ago... despite how well trained your 'uni-sex' military is...

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by tazwegion:
Open your eyes... who are always restless in the M.E.?

Common sense enough... that if you keep kicking a dog long enough, it'll up and bite you in the reproductive organs

Israel has 'ticked off' Washington with that little Hama's hit... without the US backing/supplies etc. Israel would've been overrun long ago... despite how well trained your 'uni-sex' military is...

AHha even without the US, Israel can hold it's own.

But the US will be helping Israel for a long time. I can assure you this.

Yours is nothing but a pipe dream.

tazwegion · Mar 31, 2004, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
AHha even without the US, Israel can hold it's own.

But the US will be helping Israel for a long time. I can assure you this.

Yours is nothing but a pipe dream.

Are you denying that an abused dog won't turn?

What do you base this continued US alliance on, Sharon has totally circumvented the 'roadmap to peace' set down by the US... are you refering to the 'influence' the Jewish people have in American Pollitics?

Additionally who came to Israel's assistance during the 7 day war?

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2004, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by tazwegion:
Are you denying that an abused dog won't turn?

No I agree, and dog that thinks he is abused will turn.

But no one is afraid of those small dogs that nip at your heals.

What do you base this continued US alliance on, Sharon has totally circumvented the 'roadmap to peace' set down by the US... are you refering to the 'influence' the Jewish people have in American Pollitics?

The only time the US will back from Israel is when it stops being a democracy.

dcolton · Mar 31, 2004, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by tazwegion:
Are you denying that an abused dog won't turn?

What do you base this continued US alliance on, Sharon has totally circumvented the 'roadmap to peace' set down by the US... are you refering to the 'influence' the Jewish people have in American Pollitics?

Additionally who came to Israel's assistance during the 7 day war?

Israel is too important to the US strategically. That is besides many other factors, including the War on Terrorism. When it comes down to it, it is a powder keg. Israel can hold it's own and has proven it throughout the years, but I assure you, the US will NEVER let Israel fall.