[Logic]

Disabled man dies in Gaza rubble

The man, named as 70-year-old Mohammed Khallas, apparently did not hear calls to evacuate and was found dead in rubble shortly after the demolition.

His daughter, Mona, told the BBC that she rushed out into the darkness to plead for more time to get her father out of the house but the soldiers did not listen to her

Tel Aviv hit by rush hour blast

"I was driving to work when I heard the boom," Shlomi Ben Amo told Israel radio.

"A female soldier flew in the air. There was hysteria and everything flew into the air."

[Splinter]

yup sucks for both sides.

just out of curiosity what language did the daughter use when telling them about who was in the house? If it was hebrew and they didnt listen to her then fook em they should go to jail. but if she was talking to them in Arabic which I would assume in her panic she would... there is like a 1 in 30 chance the soldiers would have understood her... probably just thought she was begging them about the house.

hope they find out and if there is somone to blame that the correct punishment is dealt.

[PacHead]

Palestinian witnesses said it was possible that the troops were unaware that the man was inside the building.

Blame arafat the egyptian terrorist, and his terrorist friends.

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Palestinian witnesses said it was possible that the troops were unaware that the man was inside the building.

Blame arafat the egyptian terrorist, and his terrorist friends.

So the IOF isn't required to make sure the buildings are cleared before they demolish it?

Remember that the next time some "terrorist" attack happens. They weren't required to check if there were any innocent civilians around.

[Zimphire]

Wow lets spin an accident into a "terrorist like" attack.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Wow lets spin an accident into a "terrorist like" attack.

Every action by the IOF is a terrorist attack.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Logic:
Remember that the next time some "terrorist" attack happens. They weren't required to check if there were any innocent civilians around.

The perverted terrorists have never given a crap about innocent civilians. Without innocent civilians to kill, they would be out of a job.

They do the exact opposite. They go after maximum damage. The more people, the better. Especially pregnant women, and small babies etc.

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
The perverted terrorists have never given a crap about innocent civilians. Without innocent civilians to kill, they would be out of a job.

They do the exact opposite. They go after maximum damage. The more people, the better. Especially pregnant women, and small babies etc.

Of these two incidents I mentioned, what do you consider worse?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Every action by the IOF is a terrorist attack.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Wow lets spin an accident into a "terrorist like" attack.

The IDF 'accidentally' demolished the guy's house?

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Wow lets spin an accident into a "terrorist like" attack.

Let's make it fog of war. Gives it a better spin.

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Logic:
So the IOF isn't required to make sure the buildings are cleared before they demolish it?

Remember that the next time some "terrorist" attack happens. They weren't required to check if there were any innocent civilians around.

as it says in the article I do belive they were ordered to clear the hosue by loudspeaker whose message is blared in arabic several times over usually prerecorded.

They do not go into the house if they are going to demolish it because in many cases it costs lives. boby traps a soldier gets freaked out by a sudden movment perhaps of a child starts to fire others hear it and fire as well... any number of things could happen. This was unfortunate and hopefully an accident. And no eklips the demolition is not the accident the killing of the man would have been if it turns out they didnt know he was inside.

LBK im glad you see it that way... so when my brother was on gaurd duty at his base that he was ordered to do he is now a war criminal and a legit candidate for the eleectric chair? FUBAR mind you got there but whatever your the one who has to live with it

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally posted by Splinter:
as it says in the article I do belive they were ordered to clear the hosue by loudspeaker whose message is blared in arabic several times over usually prerecorded.

They do not go into the house if they are going to demolish it because in many cases it costs lives. boby traps a soldier gets freaked out by a sudden movment perhaps of a child starts to fire others hear it and fire as well... any number of things could happen. This was unfortunate and hopefully an accident. And no eklips the demolition is not the accident the killing of the man would have been if it turns out they didnt know he was inside.

That is lame!

[Logic]

Originally posted by Splinter:
as it says in the article I do belive they were ordered to clear the hosue by loudspeaker whose message is blared in arabic several times over usually prerecorded.

They do not go into the house if they are going to demolish it because in many cases it costs lives. boby traps a soldier gets freaked out by a sudden movment perhaps of a child starts to fire others hear it and fire as well... any number of things could happen. This was unfortunate and hopefully an accident. And no eklips the demolition is not the accident the killing of the man would have been if it turns out they didnt know he was inside.

LBK im glad you see it that way... so when my brother was on gaurd duty at his base that he was ordered to do he is now a war criminal and a legit candidate for the eleectric chair? FUBAR mind you got there but whatever your the one who has to live with it

How many unfortunate accidents does it have to be for you to see that there is a clear pattern in this?

This was no accident. Just like all those other "accidents".

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Splinter:
LBK im glad you see it that way... so when my brother was on gaurd duty at his base that he was ordered to do he is now a war criminal and a legit candidate for the eleectric chair? FUBAR mind you got there but whatever your the one who has to live with it

The IOF is the tool of a corrupt, terrorist government that is Sharon's. I do not approve of Israel's actions in the occupied territorys and it is the IOF that is responsible for the thousands of Palestinian deaths in that region.

I do not believe that your brother is a legitimate candidate for the electric chair, neither anyone else for that matter. He's there becuase your government put him there. Doesn't mean I have to approve of what he or you will probably be doing there in the future.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
The IOF is the tool of a corrupt, terrorist government that is Sharon's. I do not approve of Israel's actions in the occupied territorys and it is the IOF that is responsible for the thousands of Palestinian deaths in that region.

Actually the Palestinian terrorists and those who support them are responsible for the thousands of Palestinian deaths in that region.

If they would stop, Israel would have no reason to put up walls, or defend themselves.

If they would stop, non of this would be happening.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Actually the Palestinian terrorists and those who support them are responsible for the thousands of Palestinian deaths in that region.

Perspective.

[Zimphire]

Exactly.

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Logic:
How many unfortunate accidents does it have to be for you to see that there is a clear pattern in this?

This was no accident. Just like all those other "accidents".

sorry bud but you cant prove a negative. you have no proof except the hatred in your heart that wants to belive they would do somthing like this. And when did they do this before? demolish a house on top of somone after all the witnesses around the area clerley heard the army announcing what was coming and warning people to get out of the house...

exactly what do you see happening

Sargent: Alright soldier order them to evacuate thier house *mutters damn wretches we should bury them in the house*
Soldier: Done sir there dosnt seem to be anyone else inside
Palestinain Woman outside: Sir! she says there is an old man still in the building who didnt hear the warnings!
Sargent: Commence with the demolition
Soldier: BUT SIR!
Sargent: You heard me! He had ample warning now seal the doors and make sure he cant get out... then we will all have a big laugh about it later when they "investigate" it on the news MUAHAHAHAAH *Sargent growing devils horns* Evil laughter fills the air screen fades to black.

heh that was fun.

anyway seriously dude... Im not saying it wasnt on purpose I wasnt there but there is no way in hell you can get away with satating "fact" that it wasnt an accident when by all accounts even the Palestinian witnesses there was no reason he wouldnt have exited the house.

it seriously disturbs me somtimes how much it seems you DESIRE to hate the people here. Maybe you need a new religion... one that might bring you a more peacfull attitude not so hatefull.

[Atomic Rooster]

Doesn't flattening some ones house seem barbaric to anyone. Seems downright silly to me.

Oh well, boys will be boys.

Glad it's over there.

[Logic]

Originally posted by Splinter:
it seriously disturbs me somtimes how much it seems you DESIRE to hate the people here. Maybe you need a new religion... one that might bring you a more peacfull attitude not so hatefull.

That was a nice attack on 1.5 billion human beings. And quite frankly proves what has been said here for some time now.

Thanks for proving my point

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Perspective.

is

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Exactly.

what you need.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
is

what you need.

Even If I don't agree with you, I'll go ahead and give you points for that well layed out reply.

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Logic:
That was a nice attack on 1.5 billion human beings. And quite frankly proves what has been said here for some time now.

Thanks for proving my point

it is? who?

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

When have Palestinian suicide bombers ever issued a call to evacuate a bus before they blew it up? Or a nightclub? Restaurant? Crowded public market? Synagogue? Etc. etc.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE:
When have Palestinian suicide bombers ever issued a call to evacuate a bus before they blew it up? Or a nightclub? Restaurant? Crowded public market? Synagogue? Etc. etc.

They'll first blow up the bus. Then others will camp out in the bushes nearby and open fire when the ambulances arrive.

[Logic]

Originally posted by Splinter:
it is? who?

it seriously disturbs me somtimes how much it seems you DESIRE to hate the people here. Maybe you need a new religion... one that might bring you a more peacfull attitude not so hatefull.

You can certainly play like you don't see what you said here, but don't worry. You have already shown your true colours.

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Logic:
You can certainly play like you don't see what you said here, but don't worry. You have already shown your true colours.

I see exactly what I said here: you should take up a new religion because the one your in now (if any) dosnt seem to give you much peace and love to go around

its like an expression you need a new religion... like a new lifestyle. why? are you in a religion atm? my true colors? blue and white? lol

[Logic]

Originally posted by Splinter:
its like an expression you need a new religion...

Sorry but I've never heard that "expression". Perhaps that is because that is a really disrespectful thing to say. But what else is new?

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE:
When have Palestinian suicide bombers ever issued a call to evacuate a bus before they blew it up? Or a nightclub? Restaurant? Crowded public market? Synagogue? Etc. etc.

*SMACKDOWN*

[badidea]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
*SMACKDOWN*

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
*SMACKDOWN*

That's a smackdown?

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html

He's equating what the Israeli's are doing with what the terrorists are doing. That's quite an admission.

Your head needs some airing out...getting a bit stuffy in there.

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Logic:
Sorry but I've never heard that "expression". Perhaps that is because that is a really disrespectful thing to say. But what else is new?

Dude your from Iceland! Since when are they learned in English expressions? No offense but saying well I’ve never heard it means its not common when you live in a place whose native language isn’t English... that’s like a man from Sudan taken an expression from China the wrong way. Seriously.

And even if it isn’t a common expression the fact that it is one negates the part where it’s disrespectful. If some individual has bad morals or something and you tell him he needs a new lifestyle/religion hell he could be an atheist you still say "you need a new religion"

Dude just lay off it was a harmless comment and by the way you are taking it I assume you have a religion otherwise you would have automatically gotten that it's just an expression. Just what religion would that be? If I was told that I wouldn’t be taking it as an attack on my religion its an attack on my morals... well in this case yours... which I still think are good when you want them to be but are totally biased.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally posted by Atomic Rooster:
He's equating what the Israeli's are doing with what the terrorists are doing. That's quite an admission.

If they were even remotely comparable, you could answer my question.

[Tater Salad]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Every action by the IOF is a terrorist attack.

Baby kitten, it never suprises me how easy it is for you to slap a cute lil kitty on fascist anti-semitism.

The terrorists are the good guys, those damn Jews who attack terrorist leaders are the real terrorists. How does that work? The guys walk into a restaurant and blow themselves up, sending objects like screws flying everywhere for maximum "impact". The Israelis fire a missle at the home of a terrorist killing a leader of the attacks. But that is worse than what the lil bastards did in the restaurant?

You're like the text book example of moral relativism.

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by Tater Salad:
The terrorists are the good guys, those damn Jews who attack terrorist leaders are the real terrorists. How does that work? The guys walk into a restaurant and blow themselves up, sending objects like screws flying everywhere for maximum "impact". The Israelis fire a missle at the home of a terrorist killing a leader of the attacks. But that is worse than what the lil bastards did in the restaurant?

Well, the resistance-fighters are revenging for killed palestinian civilians, and they aren't doing a good job of it, they are just revenging every fifth killed civilian statistically.

The problem is just one of perception, the israelic army is killing palestinian civilians in whole Gaza and Westbank every day, one or two here and there, maybe five at once in that village, maybe a few inside a house that is demolished, or a few in a car or in a market by a rocket or a tank-shell here and there, one child shot here and there by snipers for fun, a few killed in a prison by torture or overfilling, or some killed here and there by settlers, etc..

That's happening every day, every instance is small but together they sum up to hundreds and thousands over the time. The palestinians though don't have that control and occupation over Israel to do the same for revenge every day, they have to concentrate their attacks in just one big retaliation-operation every few months to retaliate for all the killed palestinian civilians. But like already said these concentrated attacks are only revenge for 1/5 of the killed palestinian civilians.


The media though focuses only on the big and spectacular attacks of suicide-bombers every few months, while ignoring the small but everyday attacks spreaded in whole Palestine, that are not spectacular but result in five times as many killed civilians.

Besides, when Israel feels the need also to do some spectacular manslaughting just to show the palestinians who is master in the ring, Israel issues a media-ban on the occupied areas and then brings it on.

The third method of Israel to do what it does is by openly starting war with some neighbouring country to blur the perception. That method was often used before and including 67 but also in the seventies and eighties regarding Lebanon.

Taliesin

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Taliesin:
Well, the resistance-fighters are revenging for killed palestinian civilians, and they aren't doing a good job of it, they are just revenging every fifth killed civilian statistically.

The problem is just one of perception, the israelic army is killing palestinian civilians in whole Gaza and Westbank every day, one or two here and there, maybe five at once in that village, maybe a few inside a house that is demolished, or a few in a car or in a market by a rocket or a tank-shell here and there, one child shot here and there by snipers for fun, a few killed in a prison by torture or overfilling, or some killed here and there by settlers, etc..

That's happening every day, every instance is small but together they sum up to hundreds and thousands over the time. The palestinians though don't have that control and occupation over Israel to do the same for revenge every day, they have to concentrate their attacks in just one big retaliation-operation every few months to retaliate for all the killed palestinian civilians. But like already said these concentrated attacks are only revenge for 1/5 of the killed palestinian civilians.


The media though focuses only on the big and spectacular attacks of suicide-bombers every few months, while ignoring the small but everyday attacks spreaded in whole Palestine, that are not spectacular but result in five times as many killed civilians.

Besides, when Israel feels the need also to do some spectacular manslaughting just to show the palestinians who is master in the ring, Israel issues a media-ban on the occupied areas and then brings it on.

The third method of Israel to do what it does is by openly starting war with some neighbouring country to blur the perception. That method was often used before and including 67 but also in the seventies and eighties regarding Lebanon.

Taliesin

[dcolton]

Taliesan...where are you from?

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Taliesin:
Well, the resistance-fighters are revenging for killed palestinian civilians, and they aren't doing a good job of it, they are just revenging every fifth killed civilian statistically.

Yes and Bill Clinton is the pope the Dali Lama and Buddha reincarnated all in one! I said makes it true even though all media and real life accounts tell you otherwise. Wow.... WRONG

Dude Tal I know you swore never to reply to my posts again about this issue but seriously I hope you read this. Because I have PROVEN before from the terrorists own creeds statements objectives and their homepages (if they have any) that that is a flat out lie and you know it and yet you keep tugging on that thread hoping these people here are complete idiots?! (No offence LBK who seems to believe that whole post) What is the main objective stated by all terrorist groups operating against Israel... if you will recall I posted them all a while back... Destruction of Israel, Israel returned in its entirety to Muslims with no Jews present, Israel Destroyed, The infidels driven out etc. etc. etc.

FOR THE LAST TIME QUITE YOUR FU<KING LYING! YOUR FU<KING PISSING ME OFF AND INSULTING THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD TO BOOT!

Oh yes and they wouldn’t "avenge" 10 times as much if they had the firepower?

LBK you always say you don’t support the terrorists or their methods... yet here you are supporting a man who does with a thumbs up. Pick a side and stand for them no one-foot in each camp routine? Are you going to stand up for the innocent Palestinian people caught up in the middle of this ****? Or are you going to stand with Tal with the terrorists? This thread is reeking of hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Taliesin:
One child shot here and there by snipers for fun, a few killed in a prison by torture or overfilling, or some killed here and there by settlers, etc..

Do you get off on this crap you spout? You must really believe that all the young men in the Israeli army are little devils don’t you. For you there has never been an accident of a child being killed in the territories? Seriously dude you come across hating everyone in there as if they had raped you or something.

Originally posted by Taliesin:
That's happening every day, every instance is small but together they sum up to hundreds and thousands over the time. The palestinians though don't have that control and occupation over Israel to do the same for revenge every day, they have to concentrate their attacks in just one big retaliation-operation every few months to retaliate for all the killed palestinian civilians. But like already said these concentrated attacks are only revenge for 1/5 of the killed palestinian civilians.

Yes they get together in their groups and say "ok today now Israel has killed 25 of our people so you go in and you kill five guys then stop. I'm sure Tal! Sounds logical to me!

Originally posted by Taliesin:
The media though focuses only on the big and spectacular attacks of suicide-bombers every few months, while ignoring the small but everyday attacks spreaded in whole Palestine, that are not spectacular but result in five times as many killed civilians.

Tal if that is the case wherever country your from that’s fine... But I read the Hebrew paper watch the Israeli news and I read the American news and watch that when possible and I’m sorry but they ALL report on even the single death of a lone Palestinian even the wounded. If that is the case in whatever country your from then fine but I find it pretty hard to believe that IF you live (emphasis on the IF I cant be sure if I remember that correctly) in an Islamic country they wouldn’t tell you about the Palestinians dying... therefore that’s statement is most likely like the large portion of your post... utter BS...

Originally posted by dcolton:
Taliesan...where are you from?

Hehe he won’t tell us. It’s a big mystery. My guess would be Syria or Iran... but you know... I really have no idea I believe he did mention once that it was an Islamic country but I cant be sure.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Splinter:
LBK you always say you don’t support the terrorists or their methods... yet here you are supporting a man who does with a thumbs up. Pick a side and stand for them no one-foot in each camp routine? Are you going to stand up for the innocent Palestinian people caught up in the middle of this ****? Or are you going to stand with Tal with the terrorists? This thread is reeking of hypocrisy.

The resistance fighters have a just cause, it is the methods they use that I disagree with. That has always been my position.

The essence of Taliesin's post was simply that the ratio of Israeli civilians killed barely compares to the Palestinian civilian deaths. Also, the daily murders of Palestinian civilians are rarely reported yet when a Palestinian blows himself up in an Israeli cafe, it's all over the news.

It was a statement that is absolutely the case, hence my thumbsup.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
The resistance fighters have a just cause, it is the methods they use that I disagree with. That has always been my position.

The essence of Taliesin's post was simply that the ratio of Israeli civilians killed barely compares to the Palestinian civilian deaths. Also, the daily murders of Palestinian civilians are rarely reported yet when a Palestinian blows himself up in an Israeli cafe, it's all over the news.

It was a statement that is absolutely the case, hence my thumbsup.

Tal also claims that the USA must be punished. You agree with that too?

[Logic]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Tal also claims that the USA must be punished. You agree with that too?

Do you think that Afghanistan was rightly punished for their support of terrorism?

That should answer your question.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Tal also claims that the USA must be punished. You agree with that too?

Why do I have to continuously be compared with Taliesin?!

Depends what he means by punished. Nuked? I wouldn't agree. Sanctions? lol, wouldn't hurt. I'd laugh my ass off first if that ever happened.

[Splinter]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
The resistance fighters have a just cause, it is the methods they use that I disagree with. That has always been my position.

The essence of Taliesin's post was simply that the ratio of Israeli civilians killed barely compares to the Palestinian civilian deaths. Also, the daily murders of Palestinian civilians are rarely reported yet when a Palestinian blows himself up in an Israeli cafe, it's all over the news.

It was a statement that is absolutely the case, hence my thumbsup.

You are still being hypocritical! Because before Tal you were calling them terrorists and condemning their actions as you should. Now they are "resistance fighters. Sorry but tats messed up they are what they are... the Jewish groups that bomb things or crap they are terrorists not "resistance fighters"

As I told you before and if you want I will prove that the deaths for each are reported especially into he Israeli news you hear it every day... there is no way in Jordan in wherever you guys reside where they are leaning more to supporting the Palestinians that they would not report on the deaths that’s absolutely absurd.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Logic:
Do you think that Afghanistan was rightly punished for their support of terrorism?

That should answer your question.

So you advocate terrorist attacks on the US. An invasion? A war?

Edit: I think some people may be crossing a fine line between the ideal of terrorism and 'resistance'. I can at least respect resistance. Terrorism, I cannot.

[Logic]

Originally posted by dcolton:
So you advocate terrorist attacks on the US. An invasion? A war?

Did I say that?

Or did I ask if you thought Afganistan was justly punished for it's support for terrorism?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Logic:
Did I say that?

Or did I ask if you thought Afganistan was justly punished for it's support for terrorism?

What do you expect when you try to answer a question with a question

[Logic]

Originally posted by dcolton:
What do you expect when you try to answer a question with a question

That you understand the answer given. But you didn't so here's your answer.

Just like I thought Afghanistan was justly punished for it's support of terrorism I believe the US should be punished for it's support of terrorism. But by going to war against the US, no.

Satisfied or do you want me to explain it better?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Logic:
That you understand the answer given. But you didn't so here's your answer.

Just like I thought Afghanistan was justly punished for it's support of terrorism I believe the US should be punished for it's support of terrorism. But by going to war against the US, no.

Satisfied or do you want me to explain it better?

I think you could do a little better. Punish how?

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Splinter:
You are still being hypocritical! Because before Tal you were calling them terrorists and condemning their actions as you should. Now they are "resistance fighters. Sorry but tats messed up they are what they are... the Jewish groups that bomb things or crap they are terrorists not "resistance fighters"

The term "terrorist" does not have a universally accepted definition. Today it's often used to tag groups as immediately criminal and illegitimate. The Palestinians do have a legitimate cause and are resisting an occupation. Furthermore, a lot of their most recent attacks have been targeting the IOF and not civilians. I'd rather label them for exactly what they are. That's not to say that in some cases the resistance fighters don't commit criminal acts. I'm just not a big fan of the term 'terrorist' since it can be understood to mean so many different things.

'Before Tal'? lol, I don't change my posts according to other users here.