[PacHead]

A New York Times article gives new details on the struggle that happened on flight 93, hijacked by Muslim terrorists on 9-11. This new information has come out as a result of the 9-11 commision report.

The man piloting the plane rolled it from side to side, trying to knock the passengers off balance. He warned another hijacker to block the cockpit door. He pitched the nose of the plane up and down violently. Finally, when it seemed as if the passengers might be seconds from overcoming the terrorists, the hijacker turned the control wheel hard to the right, rolling the plane onto its back and, the report appears to say, intentionally crashed it into a Pennsylvania field as a hijacker shouted "Allah is the greatest."



The full story can be read here ---- (NYT = register)

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/23/po.../23hijack.html

[Logic]

4:14

But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment.


4:151

They are in truth (equally) unbelievers; and we have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment.

6:49

But those who reject our signs,- them shall punishment touch, for that they ceased not from transgressing.

7:65.

When they disregarded the warnings that had been given them, We rescued those who forbade Evil; but We visited the wrong-doers with a grievous punishment because they were given to transgression.

9:68.

Allah hath promised the Hypocrites men and women, and the rejecters, of Faith, the fire of Hell: Therein shall they dwell: Sufficient is it for them: for them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment,

[PacHead]

Sorry Logic, but I am not interested in any quotes from the koran or learning about the koran.

What concerns me is how various fanatical muslims interpert this, and how these terrorists act. In their eyes you are the bad muslim, not them.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Sorry Logic, but I am not interested in any quotes from the koran or learning about the koran.

What concerns me is how various fanatical muslims interpert this, and how these terrorists act. In their eyes you are the bad muslim, not them.

I must agree, why are you quoting that stuff here?

[mydog8mymac]

Hmmm..

[Invictus]

No one will ever know what really happened.

[Powerbook]

Originally posted by Invictus:
No one will ever know what really happened.

Err... We now know what happened. Flight recorders anyone? In fact the latest analyses just put the heroic theory of the crashing passengers down. The much (wrongly) quoted "Let's roll" was probably just "Roll it!" for "turn the plane".
Source eg.: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...310000,00.html


PB.

[Invictus]

Originally posted by Powerbook:
Err... We now know what happened. Flight recorders anyone? In fact the latest analyses just put the heroic theory of the crashing passengers down. The much (wrongly) quoted "Let's roll" was probably just "Roll it!" for "turn the plane".
Source eg.: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...310000,00.html


PB.

Yes I agree with you but many will stick to believing the story that has been hyped by the media and such and then there will be the Hollywood version too.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Powerbook:
Err... We now know what happened. Flight recorders anyone? In fact the latest analyses just put the heroic theory of the crashing passengers down. The much (wrongly) quoted "Let's roll" was probably just "Roll it!" for "turn the plane".
Source eg.: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...310000,00.html


PB.

How does this make the actions of the passengers any less heroic ? They tried to storm the cockpit, and they nearly succeeded, thus leaving the fanatical, murderous muslim terrorists to crash the plane into some field, while uttering silly praises for their god.

And according to the NYT article, the "Roll it!" comment had most likely to do with a food cart that they were trying to use inorder to break through to the cockpit. This is still speculation, as the article you quote offers a different explanation for the term. And, how two words are interpetated by outsiders has little bearing on the whole story.

You have an interesting logic. So, the term "Roll it" might have been misinterpetated by some, so this makes the actions of the passengers less heroic ?

Americans are now aware of these primitive plots by these fanatical idiots, and the next time somebody tries to pull such a stunt, the passengers will surely rip everysingle limb apart from their pathetic, murderous, cowardly bodies.

[f1000]

The passengers most certainly didn't crash the plane into the ground themselves, but they did cause the terrorists to spontaneously abort their mission. I don't see how this diminishes the passengers' heroism (they already knew that the hijackers were going to crash their plane into another building).

Moreover, the "Let's roll it" snippet was not in Arabic, but in English. Why would the hijackers speak amongst themselves in Arabic, but then shout "Let's roll it" in English?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by f1000:
The passengers most certainly didn't crash the plane into the ground themselves, but they did cause the terrorists to spontaneously abort their mission.

And that is a fact.

At 9:57, about seven minutes before the end, one of the passengers ended her phone conversation saying: "Everyone's running up to first class. I've got to go. Bye."

Soon after, Ziad Jarrah, sitting at the controls, began rolling the plane to thwart the passengers. Just after 10 a.m., he is heard on the cockpit voice recorder saying: "Is that it? Shall we finish it off?"

But another hijacker responds: "No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off."

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Sorry Logic, but I am not interested in any quotes from the koran or learning about the koran.

What concerns me is how various fanatical muslims interpert this, and how these terrorists act. In their eyes you are the bad muslim, not them.

I know you don't want to learn. You don't have to type that out, everyone knows that.

The quotes above were directed at the fµcks who highjacked the planes, who highjacked a great religion, and slaughtered innocent lives.

[doctorkeyser]

Originally posted by Logic:
The quotes above were directed at the fµcks who highjacked the planes, who highjacked a great religion, and slaughtered innocent lives.

There is no great religion. They are all equally complicit in ruining this world. And nothing will ever right the wrongs done. An antiquated, polarizing belief system that has lost any shred of use in a modern world being destroyed by religion itself.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Sorry Logic, but I am not interested in any quotes from the koran or learning about the koran.

What concerns me is how various fanatical muslims interpert this, and how these terrorists act. In their eyes you are the bad muslim, not them.

What's interesting here, is that your comments regarding 9/11 are always targeting the religion more than the action.

But if I point out other acts done over religion by Christians, Jews, or Athiests (which really is a theology, simply because of the lack of).... you go apesh!t.


It's a little hipocrytical.

And it's not just you. There are about a dozen rants here where people slam me with 'they aren't really Christian/whatever if they do that'. Or '________ wasn't christian, because christianity teaches the complete opposite'...

Yet... this goes rather unnoticed.

Despite Logic pointing out direct contradictions between the actions of these selfproclaimed muslims, and the religion.


Can't have it both ways.

[undotwa]

Originally posted by Logic:
4:14

But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment.


4:151

They are in truth (equally) unbelievers; and we have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment.

6:49

But those who reject our signs,- them shall punishment touch, for that they ceased not from transgressing.

7:65.

When they disregarded the warnings that had been given them, We rescued those who forbade Evil; but We visited the wrong-doers with a grievous punishment because they were given to transgression.

9:68.

Allah hath promised the Hypocrites men and women, and the rejecters, of Faith, the fire of Hell: Therein shall they dwell: Sufficient is it for them: for them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment,

Are you moslem?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
What's interesting here, is that your comments regarding 9/11 are always targeting the religion more than the action.

But if I point out other acts done over religion by Christians, Jews, or Athiests (which really is a theology, simply because of the lack of).... you go apesh!t.

They do what they do out of sick, religious beliefs. To pretend that religion plays no role in this is outrageous, naive and foolish. They are the ones who have declared a religious war against us, and they see it as their duty to kill infidels or whoever, so they can be martyred and gain whatever crap or 72 virgins they're supposed to get after murdering civilians.

I am not interested in hearing about some agnostic Timothy McVeighs of the world or anybody else everytime there is some thread on Muslim terrorists. Stick to the topic, and if you want to start a thread about the huge threat that Christian terrorists or Jewish terrorists, or Hindu terrorists or whoever poses to the western world then you are free to start your own topic on this subject. Any mention of "other" terrorists on a thread that is about muslim terrorists is a smokescreen and a deflection away from the topic, as far as I am concerned, and I am suspicious as to the motives of these thread hijackers quite frankly.

[Invictus]

This thread is in serious hi-jack mode. It was supposed to be a dicussion on the heroics of the passengers on flight 93 and has degressed in an argument on religion.

Damn all your religions!

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Invictus:
This thread is in serious hi-jack mode. It was supposed to be a dicussion on the heroics of the passengers on flight 93 and has degressed in an argument on religion.

Damn all your religions!

Yes, you might ask the second poster who spammed his religious nonsense, why he chose to hijack my thread.

[angaq0k]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Yes, you might ask the second poster who spammed his religious nonsense, why he chose to hijack my thread.

Because of

A New York Times article gives new details on the struggle that happened on flight 93, hijacked by Muslim terrorists on 9-11

Logic means these were not Muslims according to the precept of that religion, and therefore, points out at YOUR prejudice.

But it is so deeply grined in your skull that it does not make any difference in the end from your end.

[Logic]

Wow, just wow!

What's the matter with you people. This is a thread about what happened in flight 93. Some ********s claiming and believing they are Muslims praise God when they are killing innocent people. I post what the Quran itself says about them. I didn't intend to highjack this thread. I only posted my thought about their actions.

You need to make up your minds. Either you should blame the religion and not try to hide it, or you should blame the people. It doesn't work both ways. Blame the religion and be open about it and I can enlighten you(even if some wants to continue to dwell in ignorance), or blame the people and leave religion out of it.



edited to add:

2:90

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

4:14

But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by angaq0k:
Because of



Logic means these were not Muslims according to the precept of that religion, and therefore, points out at YOUR prejudice.

But it is so deeply grined in your skull that it does not make any difference in the end from your end.

My prejudice, lol. You can call them for whatever you please, that doesn't mean they will turn invisible or caese to exist. I'll call them for what they are - Muslim terrorists.

These Al-Qaeda people, who you claim are not muslims, come from muslim countries, they attend muslim mosques, they read muslim korans, they recruit from the muslim community and they worship allah, so you can call them for "mickey mouse" terrorists for all I care, that doesn't change what they really are.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by PacHead:
My prejudice, lol. You can call them for whatever you please, that doesn't mean they will turn invisible or caese to exist. I'll call them for what they are - Muslim terrorists.

These Al-Qaeda people, who you claim are not muslims, come from muslim countries, they attend muslim mosques, they read muslim korans, they recruit from the muslim community and they worship allah, so you can call them for "mickey mouse" terrorists for all I care, that doesn't change what they really are.

But if I do things like call Hitler a christian terrorist... people go nuts.

When in fact, in his warped mind, he was doing the work of god. Removing the unworthy inferior races from the world. He had a scorched earth policy against non-catholic nations. Some people like to say it was purely anti-semetic. But his personal agenda was really a holy war.

But if I equate him to Christianity... that's wrong, because he warped the teachings of chrstianity.


I just find it rather ironic people go apeshit when their religion is equated with evil, but they will fight to the death to persuade us that all other faiths breed hate.


When in fact if you look at the doctorines of all faiths, in academia, it would be called plagerism. Becuase they are exactly the same. Just slightly altered wording.


Perhaps one day we should compile a list of terrorists/killers/rapists who did their crime in the name of religion, and just see how they tally up?

[angaq0k]

Originally posted by PacHead:
My prejudice, lol. You can call them for whatever you please, that doesn't mean they will turn invisible or caese to exist. I'll call them for what they are - Muslim terrorists.

These Al-Qaeda people, who you claim are not muslims, come from muslim countries, they attend muslim mosques, they read muslim korans, they recruit from the muslim community and they worship allah, so you can call them for "mickey mouse" terrorists for all I care, that doesn't change what they really are.

And what they really are, are trespassers of the morals and precepts of their religion.

Is a murderer Christian? Probably not as much after the act for the Christian God condemns murder.
He was baptized, but acting against God, he will need to be forgiven, which can only be done by God. His position relative to God is in Jeopardy; he will get an invitation to Hell...

In the end, this thread has nothing to do with religion, but it became so because YOU decided to make it that way. If these terrorists called themselves Muslims, that shows how misguided and desperate they were. Not much different than soldiers who kill for God, Unit, Country. God has nothing to do with these actions; only men are responsible for them, and all religions are clear on the idea that men will have to respond for their acts to their respective God, or whatever belkief that stands in its place.

Back to the "courage" of the victims, were there any Muslims among them? Were there any Christians, or people of another Faith? Why not talk of the courage God gave them when facing adversity? Whether they were Christians or not has nothing to do with the fact that they were victims.

Just as for the terrorists, they can do whatever they want in the name of whoever, or whatever, they are accountable for their acts, and calling for God to justify their actions tells only about the depth of their folly.

[macvillage.net]

These people claim to be acting on behalf of america:



But I'm curious how many Americans feel they accurately represent America?

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by PacHead:
They do what they do out of sick, religious beliefs. To pretend that religion plays no role in this is outrageous, naive and foolish. They are the ones who have declared a religious war against us, and they see it as their duty to kill infidels or whoever, so they can be martyred and gain whatever crap or 72 virgins they're supposed to get after murdering civilians.

I am not interested in hearing about some agnostic Timothy McVeighs of the world or anybody else everytime there is some thread on Muslim terrorists. Stick to the topic, and if you want to start a thread about the huge threat that Christian terrorists or Jewish terrorists, or Hindu terrorists or whoever poses to the western world then you are free to start your own topic on this subject. Any mention of "other" terrorists on a thread that is about muslim terrorists is a smokescreen and a deflection away from the topic, as far as I am concerned, and I am suspicious as to the motives of these thread hijackers quite frankly.

THANK YOU for saving me the effort of typing.

[ThinkInsane]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
These people claim to be acting on behalf of america:



But I'm curious how many Americans feel they accurately represent America?

Do I claim these people aren't American because of their actions? No

Am I embarrassed that they are Americans because of those actions? Yes

There are plenty of bad Americans. Lots of bad Brits too, as well as French, Brazilian, German, Russian, Kenyans, and any other nationality you can think of. There are plenty of bad Muslims. Bad Christians, Jews, Hindus too. All religions and creeds have their assholes. It doesn't change what they are. They are still their nationality, they are still their religion. They just happen to suck more than the norm.

Those hijackers were Muslim terrorists. The IRA dinks that put bombs in London discos were Catholic terrorists (and that's my own family I'm speaking of). These people probably think of themselves as the poster boys of their faith. They are still assholes, the lot of them. Muslims and Catholics, to be sure, but assholes none the less.

[Spliffdaddy]

Just have faith that everybody will recognize the fact that not all followers of a religion are evil just because a handful are.

Give us some credit, ok?

I know it gets difficult or impossible to have that much faith in everybody after a dozen terror attacks by members of the same religion. Heck, we might start to think the whole religion is flawed....and all its followers, too.

But, you can't help what people are gonna think.

[Taliesin]

dp

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
I know it gets difficult or impossible to have that much faith in everybody after a dozen terror attacks by members of the same religion. Heck, we might start to think the whole religion is flawed....and all its followers, too.

You are right, after all those american and israelic terror-attacks on muslims, one might really think that the christian and jewish religion is flawed ... and all its followers, too.

But not me, I think it's just some minorities of the followers that are flawed..

Taliesin

[Spliffdaddy]

Good thing I'm not affiliated with religion.

I don't much care what anybody thinks of religion nor its followers.

Doesn't reflect badly on me - no matter what they do in the name of their God.

[MacGorilla]

The people of Flight 93 were heroes. Did the plane reach its target? Nope. Who cares about the details. They did what they had to.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by ThinkInsane:
Do I claim these people aren't American because of their actions? No

Am I embarrassed that they are Americans because of those actions? Yes

There are plenty of bad Americans. Lots of bad Brits too, as well as French, Brazilian, German, Russian, Kenyans, and any other nationality you can think of. There are plenty of bad Muslims. Bad Christians, Jews, Hindus too. All religions and creeds have their assholes. It doesn't change what they are. They are still their nationality, they are still their religion. They just happen to suck more than the norm.

Those hijackers were Muslim terrorists. The IRA dinks that put bombs in London discos were Catholic terrorists (and that's my own family I'm speaking of). These people probably think of themselves as the poster boys of their faith. They are still assholes, the lot of them. Muslims and Catholics, to be sure, but assholes none the less.

Agreed.

But why is it wrong to bring religion/nationality up in 1 case... but not in another?

[chabig]

These people claim to be acting on behalf of america:



But I'm curious how many Americans feel they accurately represent America?

[rambo47]

I think one of the problems with perception of these terrorist acts is created by the terrorists themselves, and we fall for it. When suicide bombers blow up themselves along with innocent bystanders they often scream "Allah Akbar!" as they detonate themselves. They make a dramatic religous statement before committing a horrific act, so people believe it's a religous act. Folks begin to believe the bombers represent the majority of the Muslim world when it's actually a tiny minority that has perverted and twisted their holy principles to suit their own actions.

The hijackers responsible for 9/11 carried religous items and claimed to be doing the work of Allah, but clearly this is not the case. If it was the truth, then wouldn't all Muslims all over the U.S. and the entire world be rising up against all non-believers? When people fall for the talk about "Muslims vs. everyone else", don't believe the hype. It's always easy to pick out one group of people and blame them for one tragedy or another, but the truth is not so simple. There are good people and bad people, and their choice of faith has little to do with the measure of their character.

[doctorkeyser]

Originally posted by chabig:
These people claim to be acting on behalf of america:



But I'm curious how many Americans feel they accurately represent America?

About half. That was really interesting, chabig. Thanks so much.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by chabig:
These people claim to be acting on behalf of america:



But I'm curious how many Americans feel they accurately represent America?

Not all that many.

But luckily for you, the number of people in your country feeling unrepresented by the current administration is growing.

-s*

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by rambo47:
I think one of the problems with perception of these terrorist acts is created by the terrorists themselves, and we fall for it. When suicide bombers blow up themselves along with innocent bystanders they often scream "Allah Akbar!" as they detonate themselves. They make a dramatic religous statement before committing a horrific act, so people believe it's a religous act. Folks begin to believe the bombers represent the majority of the Muslim world when it's actually a tiny minority that has perverted and twisted their holy principles to suit their own actions.

The hijackers responsible for 9/11 carried religous items and claimed to be doing the work of Allah, but clearly this is not the case. If it was the truth, then wouldn't all Muslims all over the U.S. and the entire world be rising up against all non-believers? When people fall for the talk about "Muslims vs. everyone else", don't believe the hype. It's always easy to pick out one group of people and blame them for one tragedy or another, but the truth is not so simple. There are good people and bad people, and their choice of faith has little to do with the measure of their character.

You pretty much it it right on the head.

They hijacked religion as well as airplanes.


I just find it very wrong that we always look to religion in certain cases (Muslims, and even Mormons... such as the Elizabeth Smart kidnapper)...

but if we ever bring up people who commited crimes in the name of some religions, such as Catholics, Protestants, Methodists, Jews....

people start screaming about how 'anyone who commits such acts aren't part of our faith'. And how we shouldn't even mention the religion with that persons name. Heck people have even boycotted newspapers over things like this... namely abortion snipers.

But for certain religions, it's ok.

Now why can't I point out the religious relevence of other terrible crimes? Why is that wrong, and this is Ok?


We associate child molesters with Catholic Priests, and people go nuts, because it doesn't reflect real priests (and I agree). They don't even want these people refered to as priests in the paper. Saying it's insulting to the religious who abide by the church's teachings.

So why is it wrong there... but Ok here?


-----
As far as that Kerry image goes... that does reflect the democratic process... the right to choose a president. So yes, that does reflect America. Heck even Hitler running would. It accurately represents our government and values. The ability to choose the best leader, and not elect an idiot. If the idiot is in the picture or not... that's a personal choice.

[Maseeh]

Logic did a very good thing.
Everyone believes that the Qu'ran preaches to muslims to cause world destruction when infact this is not true at all!

[angaq0k]

Originally posted by ThinkInsane:
They are still their nationality, they are still their religion.

Big mistake on your part.

A person is not a religion, a person cannot be a belief system...

If you confuse things (from the domain that triggers the senses) with the domain of abstractions, (the imaginary) you have a problem in dealing with reality.

Religions are subscripts of the set refered to as "culture", which is arguably a subset of "cognition". Said cognition is an attribute of the fonctionality of the brain, which brain is an organ, a part of the human body.

That is a looong way to go from a person being a nationality, or a religion. If you want to refer to the concept of identity in relation to the dynamics of the inner self and the environment, things get complicated, but a "person" is not assimilated to an "abstraction" (although the idea of person, the concept is an abstraction.

The correct relation between the actions of people, and the beliefs motivating these actions, have to be considered as rationalizations, and if we start for a moment to make a critic of those rationalizations, most of the time, whenever someone does something and has to justify it, the rationalization will vary it time as we go in the details of it. Chances are they will not make much sense as well, especially from an outsider's perspective.

Which probably explains the obsession of many to attach Faith as the cause for actions, rather as the rationalizations for it; the two are completly different.

[PacHead]

Ok, so Al-Qaeda are not muslims heh ?

Why such a huge support for them in many muslim countries ?

I suppose you all will have to refine your figures as to how many "real" muslims there are in the world then.

You also need to come up with a new name for these people, and exactly what religion they practice.

[angaq0k]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Ok, so Al-Qaeda are not muslims heh ?

If they act against the precepts of their religion, they are actually heading to their Hell. My opinion.

Why such a huge support for them in many muslim countries ?

Stop watching TV and time to walk outside of your country, especially in countries that are underdeveloped, poorly educated population, submitted to tyranny of the rich leaders, themselves in business with the so-called democratic countries, like the US, Canada, France, and all the members of the WTO.

Many people believe in a savior, and Bin Laden probably comes as one, which is probably why he gets volunteers. All they need is a motivation. Even the very educated will go for it, since they are witnesses of injustice. Whether Bin Laden is fair and just in the process, that remains to be assessed seriously, considering he is apparently stinking rich, which puts a veil of doubt over his "pure" motivations...

Everyone is looking for a savior that will take the heat, which is why many in the US are happy to send their soldiers instead of going themselves to defend what they believe in. It is certainly no different in countries where Muslims are majorities. My opinion.

[b]I suppose you all will have to refine your figures as to how many "real" muslims there are in the world then.{/b]

Let's start with the real Christians, then let's compare numbers. I ready to bet that proportions are equal.

You also need to come up with a new name for these people, and exactly what religion they practice.

Man are you obsessed or what. They can CLAIM being Muslim, like you can CLAIM you are Christian, but in practice, you, Pachead, and the terrorists share the same belief: Justice comes through murder.

That is not approved in any religion, IIRC.

But you don't understand this, because you have decided that you are on the "good" side, and "they" are on the "bad" side.

There is no good side or bad side. Some people are looking for justice in inappropriate ways, and others are looking to use others for their sole benefits. And these people can be found in any type of Faith, any Nationality, gender, level of power or wealth.

It is a human thing, and part of those characteristics that are natural, yet despicable.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Ok, so Al-Qaeda are not muslims heh ?

Why such a huge support for them in many muslim countries ?

I suppose you all will have to refine your figures as to how many "real" muslims there are in the world then.

You also need to come up with a new name for these people, and exactly what religion they practice.

Why did so many Germans (as well as many western Europians) support this guy:


Heck there were Catholics who thought he was a saint for cleaning up Europe from the Jews, Protestants, etc.


'Hitler' is a dirty word today... but during the 30's and 40's Hitler had millions and millions of supporters.

They looked beyond what he was doing because of what he was saying. He said exactly what they wanted to hear.


So again, we could make assumptions about Western Europians, and Catholics. We have the same merrit for doing so. But is it accurate?

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by angaq0k:
Man are you obsessed or what. They can CLAIM being Muslim, like you can CLAIM you are Christian, but in practice, you, Pachead, and the terrorists share the same belief: Justice comes through murder.

Pachead is looking for a way to justify hating a group of people based on a different religion.

Kind of sad at this point. 200 years ago, it would have been pretty acceptable. Now in 2004, in America... you look like a fool.

[Logic]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Now in 2004, in America... you look like a fool.

Or a Republican voter.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by Logic:
Or a Republican voter.

No hitting below the belt.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Pachead is looking for a way to justify hating a group of people based on a different religion.

Kind of sad at this point. 200 years ago, it would have been pretty acceptable. Now in 2004, in America... you look like a fool.

No, you look like a fool for putting words into other people's mouths. I never said what you are implying and you are making false assumptions about me, and basically accusing me of being a bigot, something which in turn makes you a liar. I have always made it clear that I can not stand islamic terrorists such as al-qaeda who have declared war upon the United States, and I have never started any anti-islam posts here.

I'm done debating with the likes of you. You will receive no more replies from me on this forum.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by PacHead:
No, you look like a fool for putting words into other people's mouths. I never said what you are implying and you are making false assumptions about me, and basically accusing me of being a bigot, something which in turn makes you a liar. I have always made it clear that I can not stand islamic terrorists such as al-qaeda who have declared war upon the United States, and I have never started any anti-islam posts here.

I'm done debating with the likes of you. You will receive no more replies from me on this forum.

PacHead. Don't you know their game by now. If you disagree with the elitest lefties...it is fair for them to call you names and begin the personal attacks.

Nonetheless, you are right to refuse to reply. If you reply in kind, as the double standard has proven, you will be banned while the lefties enjoy an orgy of agreement.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Why did so many Germans (as well as many western Europians) support this guy:

um...

that almost *certainly* is NOT Hitler.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by dcolton:
PacHead. Don't you know their game by now. If you disagree with the elitest lefties...it is fair for them to call you names and begin the personal attacks.

Nonetheless, you are right to refuse to reply. If you reply in kind, as the double standard has proven, you will be banned while the lefties enjoy an orgy of agreement.

word up.

[gerbnl]

What really happened?


They got shot out of the air!