[fxbezak]

Well it irratates me that no one has the onions to stand up and run for office on the platform that they are going to concentrate on the US. It seems that forign policy is such a huge deal. Isnt this what we have advisors and cabinets for? NSA, CIA?

If the president would keep his stupid nose out of Europe and Asia and concentrate on the illegal immagration, poverty and economy of this place maybe quality of life would be better.

I just wish someone would run under the platform of "I give a Sh*t about this country" and stop worrying about how we can send more financial aid to Israel or go and nation build around the world.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
If the president would keep his stupid nose out of Europe and Asia and concentrate on the illegal immagration, poverty and economy of this place maybe quality of life would be better.

If he would keep his stupid guns and cronies out of other countries, a whole lot of things would be better.

[dialo]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
Well it irratates me that no one has the onions to stand up and run for office on the platform that they are going to concentrate on the US.

That's exactly the platform bush ran on in 2000. Didn't quite work out that way, though.

If the president would keep his stupid nose out of Europe and Asia and concentrate on the illegal immagration, poverty and economy of this place maybe quality of life would be better.

The root of all foreign policy is economics.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
I just wish someone would run under the platform of "I give a Sh*t about this country" and stop worrying about how we can send more financial aid to Israel or go and nation build around the world.

Because we've decided in taking part in a 'global economy' long ago.

WHen the US had a depression, the rest of the world felt it.

When the rest of the world went to war (WWII a great example), the US still felt it.


Thanks to inovations like the internet, and fast travel (airlines are affordable for years now)... we are much closer than ever before.


Ever hear a successful business person say "the customer is always right"? There's a reason that saying holds up.

Not only are they our customers overseas... but they are our partners, and our suppliers.


Ignoring the global picture means damaging the US.... making it rather redundant to be "I care about only my country"... and then harm our trade.


There's a reason why global trade has not been considered a safe investment since Bush invaded Iraq. As countries get more hestitant about the US... we run into problems.

But if Iraq actually did get the upper hand, and create a real situation (WWIII)... the US would have felt that as well.


So I see your point... but it's a rather complex situation. You can't care about America only... because you will harm it. But if you care only about overseas... you harm it as well.

Bush has made a great example about not caring about international relations... the EU is becoming stronger, and NAFTA isn't exactly moving in great strides. You can tax stuff all you want, but that still doesn't benefit the consumer. YOu can tax foreign steel to make people buy US steel... but that sill means we are buying more expensive steel. So it didn't help America. Just angered Europians, and raised steel product prices in the US. While the top 3 Steel companies reported profits.

It's a very complex thing.

[Invictus]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
Well it irratates me that no one has the onions to stand up and run for office on the platform that they are going to concentrate on the US. It seems that forign policy is such a huge deal. Isnt this what we have advisors and cabinets for? NSA, CIA?

If the president would keep his stupid nose out of Europe and Asia and concentrate on the illegal immagration, poverty and economy of this place maybe quality of life would be better.

I just wish someone would run under the platform of "I give a Sh*t about this country" and stop worrying about how we can send more financial aid to Israel or go and nation build around the world.

Well said...except maybe the last part of the last sentence.

only one thumb up.

[SimeyTheLimey]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
Well it irratates me that no one has the onions to stand up and run for office on the platform that they are going to concentrate on the US. It seems that forign policy is such a huge deal. Isnt this what we have advisors and cabinets for? NSA, CIA?

If the president would keep his stupid nose out of Europe and Asia and concentrate on the illegal immagration, poverty and economy of this place maybe quality of life would be better.

I just wish someone would run under the platform of "I give a Sh*t about this country" and stop worrying about how we can send more financial aid to Israel or go and nation build around the world.

This was Pat Buchanan's platform in 1992.

[docbud]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
Well it irratates me that no one has the onions to stand up and run for office on the platform that they are going to concentrate on the US. It seems that forign policy is such a huge deal. Isnt this what we have advisors and cabinets for? NSA, CIA?

If the president would keep his stupid nose out of Europe and Asia and concentrate on the illegal immagration, poverty and economy of this place maybe quality of life would be better.

I just wish someone would run under the platform of "I give a Sh*t about this country" and stop worrying about how we can send more financial aid to Israel or go and nation build around the world.

That's called isolationism.

The world on one hand wants us to do that (i.e, keep our noses out), but then on the other complains when we don't get involved.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
Well it irratates me that no one has the onions to stand up and run for office on the platform that they are going to concentrate on the US. It seems that forign policy is such a huge deal. Isnt this what we have advisors and cabinets for? NSA, CIA?

If the president would keep his stupid nose out of Europe and Asia and concentrate on the illegal immagration, poverty and economy of this place maybe quality of life would be better.

I just wish someone would run under the platform of "I give a Sh*t about this country" and stop worrying about how we can send more financial aid to Israel or go and nation build around the world.

Well said!

If I were an American I'd feel the same way.

[NYCFarmboy]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
If he would keep his stupid guns and cronies out of other countries, a whole lot of things would be better.

ah yes..thats it.....guns!.... Bush should have sent Osama a dozen dafadils..that would have solved everything.

[:dragonflypro:]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
If he would keep his stupid guns and cronies out of other countries, a whole lot of things would be better.

I agree.

US soldiers are not nearly as adept at oppression, pillaging and the slaughtering of 100s of 1000s as many of the worlds sitting dictators and their cronies. They are the best at it, we should leave it to them.

T

[fxbezak]

Originally posted by docbud:
That's called isolationism.

The world on one hand wants us to do that (i.e, keep our noses out), but then on the other complains when we don't get involved.

no no im not saying that we should never worry about other countries. Im saying that we should give a bit more attention to this country and stop making forign policy our #1 concern.

Example.. do we really need to be sending Israel millions of support dollars a year? I think for all of the talk they do about them being their own nation, they shouldnt need it. Those millions could go twords a problem in this country.

Do we really need troops in Ruwanda? No we definitly do not. think of asll the resource money we are spending just on that... that was over years ago.

[dtriska]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
Do we really need troops in Ruwanda? No we definitly do not. think of asll the resource money we are spending just on that... that was over years ago.

You're against stopping genocide? Hmm...

[fxbezak]

Originally posted by dtriska:
You're against stopping genocide? Hmm...

ahhhhhhh
I knew we would uncover a liberal here somewhere.
hey how was that new michael moore movie? and also, whats the meaning of sex.

listen, the convention is comming up soon enough. you can bash people who care about the US then. you can put all the words in peoples mouths you want.

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
his stupid guns

OH NOES

WE'RE ALL GUNNA DIE!!!

[PacHead]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
ahhhhhhh
I knew we would uncover a liberal here somewhere.
hey how was that new michael moore movie? and also, whats the meaning of sex.

listen, the convention is comming up soon enough. you can bash people who care about the US then. you can put all the words in peoples mouths you want.

I disagree with the viewpoints in your post also. Internal policy is important, but so is foreign policy, especially when foreigners have declared war upon us.

Are you gonna call me a liberal also ?

[fxbezak]

well we all know that guns are more dangerous than knives, becuse knives cant shoot people by themselves like guns can. I swear the one who made that technology were a gun, on its own , can shoot itself at someone else. Therefore deeming them far more dangerous that any other possible weapon.

If I hit pedeastrians with my car, can i say my car did it and its too dangerous to own?


anyway.. back on track here...

[trancelogix]

Originally posted by :dragonflypro::
I agree.

US soldiers are not nearly as adept at oppression, pillaging and the slaughtering of 100s of 1000s as many of the worlds sitting dictators and their cronies. They are the best at it, we should leave it to them.

T

That's their problem though. Why aren't the people in those countries rising up, creating some sort of revolution? Why does it become America's problem that people are suffering in some unknown country? If we were accountable for the millions of people suffering, America would not only be economically poor, but also too tied up to handle our own problems. I say leave a country's issues to itself.

Originally posted by :dtriska::
I agree.

You're against stopping genocide? Hmm...

T

Against stopping genocide? How? Did we not enter WWII to stop genocide? Do we really need to be getting involved in the lives of people in a country if they cannot even handle their own affairs? And what about when we got involved in Israeli relations and therefore pissed off thousands of Arabs by inadvertanly declaring we were against them? We could be facing genocide ourselves if one of those countries decides to send a nuke over.

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
becuse knives cant shoot people by themselves like guns can.

I've heard a lot of things about guns, hell I was raised around them, and I don't think I've ever heard a story or claim of a firearm actually firing by itself, with no human interaction.

[Invictus]

Originally posted by PacHead:
I disagree with the viewpoints in your post also. Internal policy is important, but so is foreign policy, especially when foreigners have declared war upon us.

Are you gonna call me a liberal also ?

Well I think what he meant was that if the U.S. didn't go meddling in other countries affairs peeps wouldn't have hostile attitudes towards it.

Again this isn't a liberal/conservative Democratic/Republican thing because all administrations do it.

Helping developing countries take care of themselves and humanitarian missions is one thing. Going and clobbering is another. You're going to piss people off.

[badidea]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
...with no human interaction.

how about this one

(at least it happened without human interaction but not by itself)
(and yes Zimpy, I DO believe! )

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by badidea:
(at least it happened without human interaction but not by itself)

OH I GET IT!

WHAT A CLEVER MICHAEL MOORE REFERENCE.

HE LOVES CHEESEBURGERS!

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
I've heard a lot of things about guns, hell I was raised around them, and I don't think I've ever heard a story or claim of a firearm actually firing by itself, with no human interaction.

Charlton Heston thinks guns don't kill people, people do.

I'm pretty sure the gun has something to do with it though, I mean you can't point your finger at someone and shout *BANG* and inflict any severe damage. </Eddie Izzard reference>

[voodoo]

Originally posted by PacHead:
I disagree with the viewpoints in your post also. Internal policy is important, but so is foreign policy, especially when foreigners have declared war upon us.

Are you gonna call me a liberal also ?

Nobody has declared war on you. Don't insult my intelligence. The smart thing is to maintain a useful, solid and consistent foreign policy while concentrating mostly on domestic affairs.

Let the international companies take care of themselves.

[fxbezak]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
I've heard a lot of things about guns, hell I was raised around them, and I don't think I've ever heard a story or claim of a firearm actually firing by itself, with no human interaction.

dude, ask any one of those gun hating hippies...
Guns are bad
they kill people..

this leads me to believe they have some automatic function where human interaction is not needed. I mean.. how else can a inanimate object can just up and kill people.

*sigh*
its a good thing other inanimate objects like knives and bats and things cant act on their own behalf.


Sorry to get off topic, this one was just so juicy, i had to bite.

[badidea]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
...

WHAT A CLEVER MICHAEL MOORE REFERENCE.

...

Thanks!

But I can do even better!

This thing automatically shot east germans who tried to climb the fence...
(and I know that you could call it human interaction what those poor east germans did)

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
OH NOES

WE'RE ALL GUNNA DIE!!!

Yes, it's those middle-school reading skills.

I said "keep his stupid guns and cronies out of other countries".

Does that sound like I was referring to the ****ing NRA, ya twit?

Look up "crony" in your illustrated school dictionary if it helps.

Sheesh.

-s*

[PacHead]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Nobody has declared war on you. Don't insult my intelligence.

Your intelligence, or lack of such is your problem. We have indeed been declared war upon.

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A never-before-seen al Qaeda video obtained by CNN shows Osama bin Laden declaring war against the United States and the West.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/19/terror.tape.main/

[:dragonflypro:]

Originally posted by trancelogix:
That's their problem though. Why aren't the people in those countries rising up, creating some sort of revolution? Why does it become America's problem that people are suffering in some unknown country? If we were accountable for the millions of people suffering, America would not only be economically poor, but also too tied up to handle our own problems. I say leave a country's issues to itself.

Why aren't they rising up? Dude, do you even have any information on this.

Tell 200,000 Kurds they aren't doing jack. Oh, wait, you can't. They did rise up and they were slaughtered.

Ok, then how about we get those in the cities.... oh, wait, they tried too. You can identify those who tried pretty easy. Just lok for the handless, footless, eye-missing or otherwise maimed individuals. No, Iraq does not have some natural anomaly of disfigured people... they were cut down. Those that survived then hangings, shootings or wood chippers.

This gives me an idea…new thread to follow.

T

[fxbezak]

Originally posted by :dragonflypro::
Why aren't they rising up? Dude, do you even have any information on this.

Tell 200,000 Kurds they aren't doing jack. Oh, wait, you can't. They did rise up and they were slaughtered.

Ok, then how about we get those in the cities.... oh, wait, they tried too. You can identify those who tried pretty easy. Just lok for the handless, footless, eye-missing or otherwise maimed individuals. No, Iraq does not have some natural anomaly of disfigured people... they were cut down. Those that survived then hangings, shootings or wood chippers.

This gives me an idea…new thread to follow.

T

Even still i disagree with the US gettinginvolved in every single human rights issue in the world
we are not the world police.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Your intelligence, or lack of such is your problem. We have indeed been declared war upon.

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A never-before-seen al Qaeda video obtained by CNN shows Osama bin Laden declaring war against the United States and the West.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/19/terror.tape.main/

>slaps PacHead on the head<

I CLAIM WAR ON THE UNITED STATES!!!

ok now you got two people at war with you.

[Monique]

When you are the most powerful nation on earth you will always encounter jealousy and envy. Also, it is the fashion now to hate the Americans and if people will look close enough they would see how wonderful and selfless most Americans are and how much they give in foreign aid not always asking for something in return. You are not your government and almost no one will ever stand up for you. Occasionally you will have a country like the U.K. (another great country) who will do it in favor of its principles. Although I do not like George Bush I still will always love most Americans. You will hardly find another better society than the American society.

[typoon]

Originally posted by docbud:
That's called isolationism.

The world on one hand wants us to do that (i.e, keep our noses out), but then on the other complains when we don't get involved.

Either way it's a no Win situation for the U.S.

On one hand other countries blame us for putting our noses in everyones business but when the US isn't involved they complain about that too.

Why is it that if the U.S. is hated so much we are ALWAYS asked for help usually before other countries for help.

Another thing that really makes me wonder is how come so many Jewish people hate the Republicans yet the Republicans are the only ones it seems like helping out and defending Israel?

[typoon]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
Well it irratates me that no one has the onions to stand up and run for office on the platform that they are going to concentrate on the US. It seems that forign policy is such a huge deal. Isnt this what we have advisors and cabinets for? NSA, CIA?

If the president would keep his stupid nose out of Europe and Asia and concentrate on the illegal immagration, poverty and economy of this place maybe quality of life would be better.

I just wish someone would run under the platform of "I give a Sh*t about this country" and stop worrying about how we can send more financial aid to Israel or go and nation build around the world.

It's a global economy like others have said. Both can happen. We just need people who are not only tough in foreign policy but also tough on secureing our borders. I'm almost to the point where it doesn't matter to me who wins this election since they are both about the same.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by typoon:
Either way it's a no Win situation for the U.S.

On one hand other countries blame us for putting our noses in everyones business but when the US isn't involved they complain about that too.

It's not the getting involved or the not getting involved that we are concerned about. It's the inconsistency between which countries get help and which don't that we are concerned about. Either help everyone, or don't help anyone ... just be consistent.

[typoon]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
It's not the getting involved or the not getting involved that we are concerned about. It's the inconsistency between which countries get help and which don't that we are concerned about. Either help everyone, or don't help anyone ... just be consistent.

It's impossible to help everyone.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by typoon:
It's impossible to help everyone.

Agreed, so don't help anyone then. There will be some complaining at first until it's understood that the US has a consistent foreign policy of not helping anyone.

[typoon]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Agreed, so don't help anyone then. There will be some complaining at first until it's understood that the US has a consistent foreign policy of not helping anyone.

While it sounds good it wouldn't work too well in our global economy.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by typoon:
While it sounds good it wouldn't work too well in our global economy.

So, the US goes to war for economic, not humanitarian, reasons?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Agreed, so don't help anyone then. There will be some complaining at first until it's understood that the US has a consistent foreign policy of not helping anyone.

That's absurd. The USA chooses to help whom it wishes.

Canada gives money/help to certain countries I'm sure, while neglecting others. Should you get bombs placed in Canada because of this ?

[typoon]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
So, the US goes to war for economic, not humanitarian, reasons?

And you believe this?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by typoon:
And you believe this?

You just that the US must be involved in the affairs of other nations because of the nature of the global economy.

[typoon]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
You just that the US must be involved in the affairs of other nations because of the nature of the global economy.

I was re-interating someone elses post saying that the US couldn't isolate itself from the world because everyones economy depends each others to thrive. The US economy is imporving and so is that of many other countries in this world. The U.S. needs things from them and they need things from us. No where does that imply the US must be involved in the affairs of other nations. We are NOT. We don't tell Tony Blair how to run the UK. we don't tell Chirac how to run France. We don't get involved in affairs of other countries. A global economy is one where each country relies on each other in one form or another for one thing or another. Am I wrong about this?

[Monique]

The United States are not the only country in the world that is well and can send troops to the United Nations force.

The day that they will take the decision to use the United Nations troops into a combat situation will change a lot of things around the world.

You cannot always talk yourself out of situations. I am thinking again about Rwawanda; if General Dallaire would have been able to use his troops into a combat situation they could have saved hundred of thousands of people.