[fxbezak]

im not jewish, and im not very comitted my my religion. I have a gripe. there are many foods that are marked as kosher. On Coke for example, it says that is is kosher in the small print.

im not happy with eating kosher food. now i know that there is no change is the way the food is made, just how it is handled, and/or blessed. Im not jewish, why do they make this food kosher, hide it in the small print and then sell it. shouldnt they just designate certain food as non kosher and kosher.

this may sound a bit maticulous, but its to prove a point. what if im strongly against this practice because my beliefs. shouldnt packaged food be marked?

i was thinking about this in the store today.

[BRussell]

If you're not Jewish, why would it matter if the food is kosher? Kosher doesn't necessarily mean anything different or Jewish has been done to the food, it just means that it's been prepared in an acceptable manner that fits Jewish dietary rules. For example, I believe milk is kosher, without having to do anything special to it. BTW, kosher salt is great.

[fxbezak]

Originally posted by BRussell:
If you're not Jewish, why would it matter if the food is kosher? Kosher doesn't necessarily mean anything different or Jewish has been done to the food, it just means that it's been prepared in an acceptable manner that fits Jewish dietary rules. For example, I believe milk is kosher, without having to do anything special to it. BTW, kosher salt is great.

oh yea kosher salt is great. But its the point that it DOES mean something to someone, so shouldnt you take that seriously? like im not buddhist, but yet i bellive that their beliefs are valid.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
im not jewish, and im not very comitted my my religion. I have a gripe. there are many foods that are marked as kosher. On Coke for example, it says that is is kosher in the small print.

im not happy with eating kosher food. now i know that there is no change is the way the food is made, just how it is handled, and/or blessed. Im not jewish, why do they make this food kosher, hide it in the small print and then sell it. shouldnt they just designate certain food as non kosher and kosher.

this may sound a bit maticulous, but its to prove a point. what if im strongly against this practice because my beliefs. shouldnt packaged food be marked?

i was thinking about this in the store today.

If you don't immediately stop eating kosher marked foods, you will turn into a jew, and in a few years you will start to wear a yarmulke and celebrate hannukah.

[Spliffdaddy]

If it said "Christian-approved" in small print on the side of a Coke can - I can tell you the names of every mofo here that would be offended by it.

[fxbezak]

Originally posted by PacHead:
If you don't immediately stop eating kosher marked foods, you will turn into a jew, and in a few years you will start to wear a yarmulke and celebrate hannukah.

thats rediculous and isnt the point.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
If it said "Christian-approved" in small print on the side of a Coke can - I can tell you the names of every mofo here that would be offended by it.

Yep, there are quite a few bigots on MacNN, though I'm not going to mention any names.

[lil'babykitten]

I'd be pretty amused to see 'Christian Approved' on the side of a coke can.

[Spliffdaddy]

I mean, it's already Jewish-approved.

(We do that *just* for Israel, ya know..to spite the Palestinians)

[PacHead]

I'm drinking a can of coke right now actually, and I don't see any symbols for anything on it besides a ® symbol.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by PacHead:
I'm drinking a can of coke right now actually, and I don't see any symbols for anything on it besides a ® symbol.

Same here. Unless cherry Coke isn't kosher....

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
I mean, it's already Jewish-approved.

(We do that *just* for Israel, ya know..to spite the Palestinians)

Pro Palestinians can drink Mekka Coke.

[doctorkeyser]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
If it said "Christian-approved" in small print on the side of a Coke can - I can tell you the names of every mofo here that would be offended by it.

Who would be offended by a sign that said "people who live their lives around a hilarious and man-made belief system approve this product?"

In turn, would anyone really be offended by "9 out of 10 wizards endorse this product?" I say, let's support all the creative and brilliant fiction that has come from the mind of man: God, Allah, Jesus, Star Wars, Star Trek, Magic the Gathering, The Andy Griffith Show.

[voyageur]

I'm not sure I understand your objection, fxbezak. Are you implying that it's not right for you to buy kosher-marked food because Jews might be offended if a non-Jew consumes it? I'm not Jewish, but I think I can say no one who is would be offended.

The foods are just marked that way for the convenience of Jews trying to keep kosher.

[Spliffdaddy]

for the convenience of Jews

[voyageur]

^your point?

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by voyageur:
^your point?

I think his point is that it is only for Jews and that if it were for some other religion/faith, then people would have trouble with it. Either that or I just talking out my ass.

[Spheric Harlot]

Well, I certainly feel offended every time I see "gluten-free"-marked food products.

Why should MY food be cluttered with labels of importance only to those minorities whose life or soul depends upon being able to tell?



-s*

[fxbezak]

Originally posted by voyageur:
I'm not sure I understand your objection, fxbezak. Are you implying that it's not right for you to buy kosher-marked food because Jews might be offended if a non-Jew consumes it? I'm not Jewish, but I think I can say no one who is would be offended.

The foods are just marked that way for the convenience of Jews trying to keep kosher.

I would just rather not consume food that may not be within my religions scope or belief.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
I would just rather not consume food that may not be within my religions scope or belief.

Huh?

Does your religion or belief system exclude anything?

You see, those' for whose benefit the label is applied DOES.

The Coke you drink is in no way specially treated. It is in no way different from any other Coca-Cola. ALL Coke is kosher by nature, due to the way it's produced. There is probably no way to produce Coke such that it WOULDN'T be kosher.

Have you bothered looking up what kosher even MEANS?

-s*

[fxbezak]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Huh?

Does your religion or belief system exclude anything?

You see, those' for whose benefit the label is applied DOES.

The Coke you drink is in no way specially treated. It is in no way different from any other Coca-Cola. ALL Coke is kosher by nature, due to the way it's produced. There is probably no way to produce Coke such that it WOULDN'T be kosher.

Have you bothered looking up what kosher even MEANS?

-s*

then why advertise it? why do we need to know that. whats the point in saying this is kosher if there is no difference in one product or another?

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
then why advertise it? why do we need to know that. whats the point in saying this is kosher if there is no difference in one product or another?

Allow me to repeat myself:

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Well, I certainly feel offended every time I see "gluten-free"-marked food products.

Why should MY food be cluttered with labels of importance only to those minorities whose life or soul depends upon being able to tell?

emphasized for your reading convenience.

-s*

[Randman]

Hmmm, no one making the same beef (pun slightly intended) over non-Halal/Halal.

[Logic]

Are you serious?

[Splinter]

err before this thread goes any further let me jsut point out that kosher does not mean it was blessed by a rabbi It simply means that according to the jewish faith it is not an "unclean" food.

If Chrsitains had certain things they were the whole world over according to the Bible not allowed to eat they would probably have those kinds of lables on food in the US as well.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Randman:
Hmmm, no one making the same beef (pun slightly intended) over non-Halal/Halal.

OK, let me have a shot at it. I'm offended by MacD's use of beef extract in their chips. The beef is not halal and at first they didn't even tell the customers about it until some Muslim organisations found out, I like their chips but I just can't eat them and I think they should use Halal beef or at least label each individual chip non-halal just so I kn....waaaaaah!

How'd I do?

[Krusty]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
then why advertise it? why do we need to know that. whats the point in saying this is kosher if there is no difference in one product or another?

Why is the "Real" symbol put on items made from real dairy ? Why are little "heart smart" logos put on foods that are considered healthy by the American Heart Association ? Most foods are Kosher "by default" -- why wouldn't a company indicate that status on their product ? Like the Real seal or the Heart Logo, it can help them sell more of their product by letting people know that it meets their dietary guidelines (regardless of why they've chosen those guidelines) and is OK for them to purchase.

BTW, Kosher foods may be marked "Kosher", "Parve", or have a U or K in a circle indicating its Kosher status. Look at Orange Juice ... Spaghetti .. almost every staple is Kosher. If you specifically want to be un-Kosher, just eat meat & cheese lasagne with a bacon-wrapped shrimp cocktail as an appetizer for every meal and you should be OK

[Randman]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
OK, let me have a shot at it. I'm offended by MacD's use of beef extract in their chips. The beef is not halal and at first they didn't even tell the customers about it until some Muslim organisations found out, I like their chips but I just can't eat them and I think they should use Halal beef or at least label each individual chip non-halal just so I kn....waaaaaah!

How'd I do?

Lots of fast-food joints and restaurants in Asia do serve Halal fries. Not being Muslim, I'd prefer the beefy-taste myself.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by Krusty:
Why is the "Real" symbol put on items made from real dairy ? Why are little "heart smart" logos put on foods that are considered healthy by the American Heart Association ? (snip)

Answer:

Because companies pay a fee in order to use the 'Real' logo or the 'heart smart' logo. Their products must meet certain guidelines in order to qualify...and their check can't bounce, either.

My ex-wife owned a Domino's Pizza store a long time ago. We had to remove any signs bearing the 'Real' logo because Domino's didn't pay the fee for that year. Damn near every sign had the 'Real' logo. Cheese, ya know.

[chalk_outline]

Originally posted by fxbezak:
im not jewish, and im not very comitted my my religion. I have a gripe. there are many foods that are marked as kosher. On Coke for example, it says that is is kosher in the small print.

im not happy with eating kosher food. now i know that there is no change is the way the food is made, just how it is handled, and/or blessed. Im not jewish, why do they make this food kosher, hide it in the small print and then sell it. shouldnt they just designate certain food as non kosher and kosher.

this may sound a bit maticulous, but its to prove a point. what if im strongly against this practice because my beliefs. shouldnt packaged food be marked?

i was thinking about this in the store today.

Mr. Free Market.
Should they mark genetically engineered foods? But the new lables are so expensive, and that makes food cost more. Think of the poor.

How about this, they do let you know so you can choose if you want to buy it. Osama has stolen a large percentage of our FREEDOMS but W has worked his ass off to make sure we can still buy Coke, Pepsi, RC, and even Fanta soda. God bless this drive.


And Holy Crap. "God bless this drive" returns zero results on google..

I'm so bored.

[DeathToWindows]

Why should it matter to you - the laws of Kashrut state that certain items are unclean (i.e. pork, fish without scales and animals without cloven hooves and who do not chew their cud) and all that the Kosher symbol denotes is that there is nothing unclean in your Coke or whatever... it generally means that the factory is cleaner too (the Rabbis who do the yearly inspections are essentially militent health inspectors).

So, if you don't like it, don't buy it, but otherwise do kindly sod off.

[Dakar]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
If it said "Christian-approved" in small print on the side of a Coke can - I can tell you the names of every mofo here that would be offended by it.

I wouldn't be offended, but I would roll my eyes that there was that much concern over a religion approving a soft-drink.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Answer:

Because companies pay a fee in order to use the 'Real' logo or the 'heart smart' logo. Their products must meet certain guidelines in order to qualify...and their check can't bounce, either.

My ex-wife owned a Domino's Pizza store a long time ago. We had to remove any signs bearing the 'Real' logo because Domino's didn't pay the fee for that year. Damn near every sign had the 'Real' logo. Cheese, ya know.

Hmmmm .. that's very interesting, didn't know that companies paid to put "Real" and "Heart Smart" logos. Still, my point remains ... logos like these, "Kosher", or even the words "Low Fat", "All Natural", or "Atkin's Friendly" are all put on for one reason: to help sell product by advertising that their product's fit in to the dietary preferences of different groups.

[Monique]

Do you really care if the products you drink or eat are kosher or not. It is so ridiculous. Isn't there things in your city that deserve your attention better than the food you put in your stomach. And yes your comments make you a bigot.

[typoon]

Originally posted by Monique:
Do you really care if the products you drink or eat are kosher or not. It is so ridiculous. Isn't there things in your city that deserve your attention better than the food you put in your stomach. And yes your comments make you a bigot.

I agree with this. While I don't think it makes him a bigot it does make him not very well informed about it.

It's sort of like saying why are things marked organic when you don't really care what you put in your body? Organic costs more and so does Kosher marked food. but if it doesn't bother you why make a stink about it? It's important to some and their religion; and you all know about me and religion.

[macvillage.net]

Not quite sure what the big deal is.

There's lots of foods that meet various dietary needs, and are marketed as so.

Some food says 'may contain traces of nuts' for people with allergies, some says kosher for Jewish people.

Some food says 'contains beef ____' for hindu's who want to avoid it.

Lactose free milk.

American Heart Association Approved.

Low-Salt

Sugar Free/Diabedic Safe

Not tested on Animals

Organic (no chemicals/steroids used).

Vegetarian

the list could go on forever.


Personally doesn't bother me at all. I'd be more offended if they didn't put that type of stuff on there. I'm a fan of knowing what I eat.

I'd be more upset if they didn't print that type of stuff, and made people call in for everything.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Monique:
Do you really care if the products you drink or eat are kosher or not. It is so ridiculous. Isn't there things in your city that deserve your attention better than the food you put in your stomach. And yes your comments make you a bigot.

You should be very careful about what you put in your body. All personal things aside I don't think there is anything more important than thinking about your body. Unless you live in a hive or something the community will have to come second.

[BRussell]

Originally posted by Krusty:
Hmmmm .. that's very interesting, didn't know that companies paid to put "Real" and "Heart Smart" logos.

I doubt that's quite true. There may be some fee to have it checked by the organizations, but that's a little different than just paying money for the label itself.

[itai195]

What exactly is the complaint here? Are you against eating Kosher foods or against eating foods marked as Kosher? Because I think you'd have trouble doing the former, and the latter is just for expediency... It's like saying you're against drinking Diet Coke because the can is marked as recyclable.

[Logic]

OMG the horrors of living in a multi-cultural society!!!!!

Just move to Iceland and things like this won't cause you any sleepless nights. No Kosher labels here.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Logic:
No Kosher labels here.

That's probably because there's 3 jews living in Iceland.

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
That's probably because there's 3 jews living in Iceland.

I think there are about 4 actually

Actually I have no idea how many Jews live on Iceland but I do know that our "first-lady" is a Jew.

[itai195]

Originally posted by PacHead:
That's probably because there's 3 jews living in Iceland.

I think that was his point

Obviously, it's just much too cold there! I did see some great photos of Iceland recently that make me think it's worth a visit, though.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by itai195:
I think that was his point

Obviously, it's just much too cold there! I did see some great photos of Iceland recently that make me think it's worth a visit, though.

Yeah, I did read some stuff about them intentionally keeping certain refugees out of their country in WW2.

[itai195]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Yeah, I did read some stuff about them intentionally keeping certain refugees out of their country in WW2.

And I heard the Germans killed some people in Europe, too.

[Logic]

Took a better look at this thing with Iceland and Jews.

Here on Iceland we don't keep any data on the various religious minorities. But there is no synagogue and no Jewish congregation listed on Iceland. But it seems like all Icelanders come from a Jewish ancestry and we could all claim to be Jews. That is concluded since all Icelanders are related 6-8 generations back and since there were Jews here on Iceland before 1500 we are all of Jewish ancestry. So, there you have it. I'm a Jew

[PacHead]

Originally posted by itai195:
And I heard the Germans killed some people in Europe, too.

And I heard many countries didn't mind at all, as there were Nazi sympathizers all over Europe, and even in the US.

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Yeah, I did read some stuff about them intentionally keeping certain refugees out of their country in WW2.

huh? Where did you read that BS?

[itai195]

Originally posted by PacHead:
And I heard many countries didn't mind at all, as there were Nazi sympathizers all over Europe, and even in the US.

So why hold a grudge? BTW, this thread isn't about Iceland, Nazis, or WW2, although the original topic certainly was a little odd.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Logic:
huh? Where did you read that BS?

BS ? Why the BBC of course.

During World War II Iceland was notably reticent in accepting refugees from Nazism and even deported some Jewish families back to the mainland. More recently, the US Army, which maintains a large military bases on the island, was discreetly asked not to send any black soldiers lest they upset the locals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/cr...res/142410.stm