[Logic]

RADIO HOST CALLS ISLAM A 'MURDEROUS ORGANIZATION'
CAIR urges radio network to apologize, offer Muslim viewpoint

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 7/26/04) - CAIR is calling on the nation's largest radio
network to apologize for anti-Islam remarks by talk show host and comedian
Jackie Mason, who recently called "the whole Muslim religion" a "murderous
organization" that teaches "hate, terrorism and murder."

Mason, who is also known for his right-wing and pro-Israel political
commentaries, made the remarks as guest host on a recent broadcast of the
Jim Bohannon Show, syndicated nationally by Westwood One.

SEE: The Jim Bohannon Show, http://www.westwoodone.com/talk_bohannon.htm
Jackie Mason's Home Page, http://www.jackiemason.com/

During the broadcast, New York lawyer Raoul Felder, who is a frequent
co-author of Mason's commentaries, attacked the character of Islam's
Prophet Muhammad. He also said: "This (Islam) is a religion of hate, this
is a religion of murder."

Mason responded by amplifying Felder's bigotry.

He said: "This is amazing information that almost nobody is aware
of...everyone thinks that it's a legitimate religion that preaches love and
brotherhood…the truth of the matter is (that terrorists) are reflecting the
religion and following the religion…they are following the orders of the
religion directly from the Quran…in plain English, the whole Muslim
religion is preaching and teaching hate, terrorism and murder, and nobody
knows it, and its about time they found out about it…The Quran…is 50
versions of hate, venom, hostility, and murder…dedicated to terrorism…I
don't know how we can call it a religion in the traditional sense. It
should be called a murderous organization that's out to kill people."

In a letter to Westwood One, CAIR demanded a public apology to the Muslim
community and an opportunity to refute Mason's Islamophobic smears. The
letter stated: "It is this type of hate-filled propaganda that was used by
the Nazis as justification for their persecution of the Jewish community in
Germany." (CAIR also filed a complaint with the FCC.)

Earlier this year, CAIR announced a campaign designed to counter
anti-Islamic hate on talk radio. The campaign, called "Hate Hurts America,"
is based on the premise that the increasing attacks on Islam by talk show
hosts harm the United States by creating a downward spiral of interfaith
mistrust and hostility. As part of that campaign, Muslims were given
step-by-step instructions on how to monitor local and syndicated radio
programs, report anti-Muslim hate, file FCC complaints, and contact
advertisers to register their concerns.

Anyone know anything about these guys?

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Logic:
Anyone know anything about these guys?

Yeah, they're assholes.

[Logic]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Yeah, they're assholes.

Besides the obvious

[Y3a]

ASS Canyons!

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Wow, so now Jackie Mason joins the ranks of Linda Ronstadt et al in the category of ‘suddenly relevant’!

All a has-been has to do lately is screech about politics and viola! Instant career ‘boost’ from ‘Nowhere on the map’ to ‘Oh, are THEY still around?’ status.

[Krusty]

Islam has been ...

[Y3a]

It doesn't matter if SO MANY fundementalist islamists are murdering savages who are to blame for their own society and the lack of progress for a thousand years or more. Or that they treat women as property, and are absolutist ass canyons themselves?? IMHO...

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Y3a:
It doesn't matter if SO MANY fundementalist islamists are murdering savages who are to blame for their own society and the lack of progress for a thousand years or more. Or that they treat women as property, and are absolutist ass canyons themselves?? IMHO...

Really .. can you give me any sorta statistical percentage of Islamic Fundamentalists who are "murdering savages" ? 1% ? 5% ? 25% ? Or at least gimme a ballpark figure for what "SO MANY" means ? 10k ? 100k ? 1 million ? According to the latest number from the NY Times , there are 6.9 million current criminals in the US (3.2 % of the population). How do Islamic Fundamentalist compare to that in either percentage or total number ?

[Spliffdaddy]

I'd guess roughly three times as bad - maybe worse.

[Invictus]

Originally posted by Logic:

During the broadcast, New York lawyer Raoul Felder, who is a frequent
co-author of Mason's commentaries, attacked the character of Islam's
Prophet Muhammad. He also said: "This (Islam) is a religion of hate, this
is a religion of murder."

They have yet to prove otherwise.

Why haven't the Islamic nations risen and shown the world where they stand and helped in the war on terror. Why didn't they go into Afghanistan and root out Bin Laden.

Sorry but call me a bigot, I don't give a fekk. I have absolutely no use for Islam and the peoples who practice it. It is too late for them now to prove anything. They are the ones who should have acted and they didn't.

The have doomed themselves and have become the pariah that they should be.

[Spliffdaddy]

omg.

I'm soooo close to agreeing with that sentiment.

[doctorkeyser]

Originally posted by Invictus:
They have yet to prove otherwise.

Why haven't the Islamic nations risen and shown the world where they stand and helped in the war on terror. Why didn't they go into Afghanistan and root out Bin Laden.

Sorry but call me a bigot, I don't give a fekk. I have absolutely no use for Islam and the peoples who practice it. It is too late for them now to prove anything. They are the ones who should have acted and they didn't.

The have doomed themselves and have become the pariah that they should be.

Now if we could only get rid of all the other warmongering, fractionating religions in the world, we would all be safer. Join with me in denouncing Allah, Jesus, Buddha, and all the other myths of the religious world.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Invictus:
Why didn't they go into Afghanistan and root out Bin Laden.

Ummm ... maybe because bin Laden doesn't attack them ? Why are they compelled to police terrorists who simply claim to practice the same religion as them? Can you describe a Christian government or religious group that goes around the world rooting out violent groups that claim Christianity as their religion ?

Who is "responsible" for Osama Bin Laden ? The only reasonable (though incredibly weak) link you could make is to our big buddy Saudi Arabia and its prominent families. How is Islam responsible for OBL any more than Christians in Peru responsible for David Koresh and the Branch Davidians ??

Originally posted by Invictus:

Sorry but call me a bigot, I don't give a fekk. I have absolutely no use for Islam and the peoples who practice it. It is too late for them now to prove anything. They are the ones who should have acted and they didn't.

OK ... you're a bigot. If its "too late for them to prove anything", when would have been an acceptable time frame for them to prove something to you ? After 9/11 ? Before 9/11 ? How 'bout the first WTC bombing ? Or the USS Cole ? Or US embassy in Kenya ? -- Do you remember a time when you had an opinion other than the one you hold now ? What was the final straw for you such that it is now "too late" ?

[edit]
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-ed...terrorism.html
Here's what some Christians think. What makes you think differently than them ?
[/edit]

[typoon]

Originally posted by doctorkeyser:
Now if we could only get rid of all the other warmongering, fractionating religions in the world, we would all be safer. Join with me in denouncing Allah, Jesus, Buddha, and all the other myths of the religious world.

Why don't we just get rid of religion all together? It's been the cause of so many wars and conflicts.

Jackie Mason isn't the only one saying it. He maybe one of the most prominent people saying it but definitely not the only one.

religious people say that their religion is peaceful. Many if not all of them are it's just the wackos who take it too far.

But as Carlin puts it "THOU SHALT NOT KILL

Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed."

This is so true.

[doctorkeyser]

Originally posted by typoon:
Why don't we just get rid of religion all together? It's been the cause of so many wars and conflicts.

Jackie Mason isn't the only one saying it. He maybe one of the most prominent people saying it but definitely not the only one.

religious people say that their religion is peaceful. Many if not all of them are it's just the wackos who take it too far.

But as Carlin puts it "THOU SHALT NOT KILL

Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed."

This is so true.

There is no way to spin this. People who participate in organized religion are partly responsible for all the death that occurs because of it. You can sit back and think you're quiet Christmas Eve service is a pure and harmless gathering of like-minded people, but the money your church receives and the divisive nature of all the religions of this world are responsible for history's most barbaric acts...that continue to the present day. No religion is faultless, as I'm quite certain that the overall tally of those killed by different sects of Christianity far outscores the tally for Islam. Many credit religion as the saving grace that brought humanity out of darker ages. How ironic that it will be religion that kills us all in the end. The single most deadly dividing force in the history of humans (the species that *invented* god in the first place).

[typoon]

Originally posted by doctorkeyser:
There is no way to spin this. People who participate in organized religion are partly responsible for all the death that occurs because of it. You can sit back and think you're quiet Christmas Eve service is a pure and harmless gathering of like-minded people, but the money your church receives and the divisive nature of all the religions of this world are responsible for history's most barbaric acts...that continue to the present day. No religion is faultless, as I'm quite certain that the overall tally of those killed by different sects of Christianity far outscores the tally for Islam. Many credit religion as the saving grace that brought humanity out of darker ages. How ironic that it will be religion that kills us all in the end. The single most deadly dividing force in the history of humans (the species that *invented* god in the first place).

I'm not trying to spin anything. I'm just stating that no matter what religion has been the cause of most of the wars and conflicts. Doesn't matter what religion one professes to believe in.

[doctorkeyser]

Originally posted by typoon:
I'm not trying to spin anything. I'm just stating that no matter what religion has been the cause of most of the wars and conflicts. Doesn't matter what religion one professes to believe in.

I wasn't inferring you were trying to spin anything, typoon. Sorry about the confusion. I was simply using my doctrine of preemption to ward off the spinmeisters that would seek to deny your claims. We are, indeed, in agreement.

[Dr.HermanG.]

Originally posted by typoon:
I'm not trying to spin anything. I'm just stating that no matter what religion has been the cause of most of the wars and conflicts. Doesn't matter what religion one professes to believe in.

Uh, huh.

Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people.

[typoon]

Originally posted by Dr.HermanG.:
Uh, huh.

Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people.

While that is true there is usually some reason why people kill people. Usually it's religion because one group doesn't believe what another group does and that other group feels everyone should believe what they do.

[doctorkeyser]

Originally posted by Dr.HermanG.:
Uh, huh.

Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people.

De Nile...a big river in Egypt. Have fun this Sunday.

[Dr.HermanG.]

Originally posted by doctorkeyser:
De Nile...a big river in Egypt. Have fun this Sunday.

This Sunday I'm working out in my yard. Were you assuming something else perhaps?

[doctorkeyser]

Originally posted by Dr.HermanG.:
This Sunday I'm working out in my yard. Were you assuming something else perhaps?

Well, at least I can feel assured that this Sunday you will be free from the influences that drive people to destroy our world over something that doesn't even exist. That is, unless your begonias are Baptist or something.

[undotwa]

Originally posted by typoon:
I'm not trying to spin anything. I'm just stating that no matter what religion has been the cause of most of the wars and conflicts. Doesn't matter what religion one professes to believe in.

That is so wrong.

Wars happen regardless of whether religion is involved or not. It is in human nature. Sure many wars have been fought 'in name of God', but this doesn't mean that religion was the primary cause of this war, or even a factor. When it comes down to it wars are caused by need (for resources), expansionist governments, defence, terroritorial disputes and plunder. Religion is rarely a real factor, just a nominal one. Whether religion is involved or not, wars will continue, and if the excuse of religion is not used, another excuse will be found (the glory of Rome/State etc.).

Plus, most of the time wars are fought in name of Christianity, the stance is quite contrary to actual traditional Christian teachings (even when the Pope supported the crusades, officially, what the Pope was doing was against even the doctrine of Catholicism). Islam as I understand it, is a slightly different case, as their arew provisions for holy war, however I think you need a Moslem theologian to explain this best. (Even the real motive for the crusades was to do with trading interests).

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by Dr.HermanG.:
Uh, huh.

Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people.

True.


Some people should really read some religious scripture. Jewish, Christian, Muslim scripture is really all the same when it comes to this. There's no difference.


People like various Kings of Europe, Hitler, Bin Laden, etc. etc. have used religion as an excuse to justify their hate.

Though anyone who actually looks at the faith, can clearly see that there is no coorelation. It's just something to hide behind.

It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

[Y3a]

I don't know WHAT The muslim extremists COULD PROVE... Intelligence and creativity..??? NO!! distructive and angry YUP! intolerent...YUP! Able to carry out a conversation with a westerner without yelling???? Nope. discussing anything in a clear, precise manner??? NOPE. displaying modern culture? Nope, they don't HAVE a modern culture. Showing off their property, like their WIVES...

[Saad]

Originally posted by Invictus:

The have doomed themselves and have become the pariah that they should be.

The Muslim 'pariahs' the US backs are certainly well funded, connected and defended pariahs. You think that there is a collective guilt of all Muslims for the acts of the extreme few?

Are all Christians responsible for the acts of Pinochet and the drug lords of Colombia? Are all Americans to blame for the preservation of Pol Pot's murderous reign? I should hardly expect any American to appologise for the acts of murderous allies, is it reasonable to do the same for all Islam?

[undotwa]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
True.


Some people should really read some religious scripture. Jewish, Christian, Muslim scripture is really all the same when it comes to this. There's no difference.


People like various Kings of Europe, Hitler, Bin Laden, etc. etc. have used religion as an excuse to justify their hate.

Though anyone who actually looks at the faith, can clearly see that there is no coorelation. It's just something to hide behind.

It's hypocrisy at it's finest.