[typoon]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14365

Where are human rights, feminist groups, the UN and the other countries on this atrocity?

The images from the Sudan are horrific: Wounded, starving, diseased adults, skeletal, dying infants. Some people have referred to this as "ethnic cleansing." Indeed, an estimated two million black African Christians, Muslims, and animists have been massacred by ethnic Arab Muslims over the last 21 years. Today, an estimated 1.2 million people have been internally displaced, and 170,000 have fled across the border into Chad. At least 30,000 human beings have been massacred by the state-sanctioned Janjaweed ("men on horses") in the last six months.

The United Nations did nothing during this time except condemn Israel for crimes it did not commit. The French? They are too busy condemning Ariel Sharon to notice a real human rights atrocity. Thus, the French continue to oppose UN sanctions against the Sudan. To their credit, the American House and Senate have just passed a bi-partisan resolution that defines the massacres as "genocide."

[Logic]

You haven't been reading the news much have you? Especially about what we foreigners are doing about it?

EU has threatened sanctions and intervention.

France has urged the African Union to take the initiative to do something about that and have said that they are willing to help them do that.

etc etc etc...

The question is, where are all the humanitarian, compassionate conservatives now? Where does it seem to be a more pressing humanitarian need? Iraq or Sudan?

[typoon]

Originally posted by Logic:
You haven't been reading the news much have you? Especially about what we foreigners are doing about it?

EU has threatened sanctions and intervention.

France has urged the African Union to take the initiative to do something about that and have said that they are willing to help them do that.

etc etc etc...

The question is, where are all the humanitarian, compassionate conservatives now? Where does it seem to be a more pressing humanitarian need? Iraq or Sudan?

Actually I haven't seen it in the news. I don't watch much TV but on CNN and MSNBC and other news sites I haven't seen this being reported. If it has been I may have missed it on the site. I've only heard fleeting stories about this but nothing about what is being done.

Now that Iraq is once again there own country and with our troops there we SHOULD do something. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm also saying that you don't hear much from many of the other groups who are so oppsed to this on both sides. Where is Jesse Jackson and the "reverend" Al Sharpton on this? Didn't Jackson go over to the Sudan a few years ago? When he came back he made no mnetion of anything there.

[Logic]

Originally posted by typoon:
Actually I haven't seen it in the news. I don't watch much TV but on CNN and MSNBC and other news sites I haven't seen this being reported. If it has been I may have missed it on the site.

Check out bbc.co.uk once in a while and you will see something about Sudan and Europe on almost a daily basis.

But I agree with you that something needs to be done, and that something needs to be done soon.

And one of the things that really irritate me is that it is always said that the government sponsored militia is a muslim militia, while at the same time ignoring the fact that it are muslims who are the majority of the victims. That really pisses me off.

[typoon]

Originally posted by Logic:
Check out bbc.co.uk once in a while and you will see something about Sudan and Europe on almost a daily basis.

But I agree with you that something needs to be done, and that something needs to be done soon.

And one of the things that really irritate me is that it is always said that the government sponsored militia is a muslim militia, while at the same time ignoring the fact that it are muslims who are the majority of the victims. That really pisses me off.

Thanks. I'll check them out more. US media stinks when it comes to reporting at times. I doubt any of the muslims will do anything. Because many of them consider Women property and feel they can do with them as they please.

[Logic]

Originally posted by typoon:
Thanks. I'll check them out more. US media stinks when it comes to reporting at times. I doubt any of the muslims will do anything. Because many of them consider Women property and feel they can do with them as they please.

Especially in Africa that is somewhat true. But that also doesn't have anything to do with being muslims, but has to do with old customs. You see that treatment of women in many places in Africa unfortunately.

I kind of like the French initiative the most. That the African Union deals with this with the help of the Western World. It will give them the chance to prove that they are able to handle crisis in their own hemisphere and will probably be best because I don't think foreign(read non-African) intervention is a good long term solution.

And I'm sure the US media is just like the European. Focuses most on it's own most pressing interest while putting world news somewhere where you don't notice it. That is probably the best thing about bbc. They have a world wide service and try to focus on the whole world because of that. Especially in the world edition.

[Saad]

CNN:

UN Appeals for More Sudan Aid
EU to push for sanctions on Sudan
US Calls for Sanctions on Sudan

MSNBC:

UN calls for more aid to Sudan
US Threatens Sanctions Against Sudan
Annan calls on Sudan to protect Darfur (June 29!)

FNC:

Powell appeals to Sudanese Leaders

[Taliesin]

The problem in Sudan is again, who would have guessed it, oil. Actually right in that region of Darfur there are the oil-fields that the sudanese govenment is pumping oil from. Problem is the govenment doesn't give out anything of the profits it is making with that oil to the people of the Darfur-region, and basically ignores and neglect them in every way possible.
Against such obvious injustice the people of the Darfur-region and also other regions have organized violent and armed resistance/rebellion, which has led to the civil-war in Sudan. With the other regions the sudanese government has achieved a cease-fire that could lead to a genuine peace-agreement, but not with the Darfur-region.
It seems like the government is instead trying to squash the rebellion there by attacking the civilians, that support the rebellion.

What is going on there is a humanitarian catastrophe, which is charasteristic for nearly whole Africa: Wars because of ressources.

What makes the situation even worse is that the western world, but also Asia have signed a billion-dollars-worth oil-export-deal with the sudanese government just days ago, which could have been used to pressure the sudanese government to call back the militias and to allow help-organizations in, and to sign a deal with Darfur to also let them have part in the profit of the oil-deal...

Taliesin

[typoon]

Originally posted by Logic:
Especially in Africa that is somewhat true. But that also doesn't have anything to do with being muslims, but has to do with old customs. You see that treatment of women in many places in Africa unfortunately.

I kind of like the French initiative the most. That the African Union deals with this with the help of the Western World. It will give them the chance to prove that they are able to handle crisis in their own hemisphere and will probably be best because I don't think foreign(read non-African) intervention is a good long term solution.

And I'm sure the US media is just like the European. Focuses most on it's own most pressing interest while putting world news somewhere where you don't notice it. That is probably the best thing about bbc. They have a world wide service and try to focus on the whole world because of that. Especially in the world edition.

Hopefully the African Union can deal with it themselves with the help of the Western World. I also agree that help of the Western world for a the long term is probably not a good thing. Hopefully something will get done. I don't think Sanctions are a good thing though because it actually hurts the innoncent people more.

[Logic]

Originally posted by typoon:
Hopefully the African Union can deal with it themselves with the help of the Western World. I also agree that help of the Western world for a the long term is probably not a good thing. Hopefully something will get done. I don't think Sanctions are a good thing though because it actually hurts the innoncent people more.

I agree that sanctions can cause more problems than it solves. It all depends on how they are done.

But I would want the regional powers(African Union and the Arab League) to step in with a UN mandate to solve this crisis. The western world could fund it and support it but should try to keep it's manpower out of it. It's just a shame that it has been allowed to go on for so long without anything being done about it.

[voyageur]

Humanitarian groups have been trying hard to get aid to Darfur, but it's been incredibly hard dealing with the logistics:

The logistics chief there for the UN says it's the worst he's ever seen.
Link

[Troll]

Originally posted by typoon:
Hopefully the African Union can deal with it themselves with the help of the Western World.

The African Union is dealing with it. They have achieved more in Darfur than anyone else, the Sudanese government included. No one gives them credit for that. But Darfur has been ungovernable for the last 50 years. Khartoum's way of dealing with the problem has always been to arm the militia (which is the way the US often approaches similar problems so let's not be too critical). The result is pretty terrifying for any group. As we've seen, even the strongest military power on the planet isn't able to win battles of this nature (viz. Somalia). I think solving this problem requires more resources than the African Union on its own can commit.

[y0y0]

And yet another post from an insular clown, putting the UN, EU and feminists in the same boat. If this kind of xenophobia isn't typical of the backwardness of the American right, then I don't know what is. To put it to a point, Typoon, what on earth does the EU have in common with the UN and feminists apart from filling that same hazy and vague mental portrait you have of 'them communist furiners'?

[typoon]

Originally posted by y0y0:
And yet another post from an insular clown, putting the UN, EU and feminists in the same boat. If this kind of xenophobia isn't typical of the backwardness of the American right, then I don't know what is. To put it to a point, Typoon, what on earth does the EU have in common with the UN and feminists apart from filling that same hazy and vague mental portrait you have of 'them communist furiners'?

I never said they had anything in Common. I was just asking where everyone is on this issue? They seem(ed) to be missing.

And it seems all the LEFT/Liberals in any part of the world can do is call people names when they have no good arguement.