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Kerry using Bush's speeches as his own
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i am just watching cnn and they are showing all the times that kerry uses the exact words as past bush and cheney speeches.
he really does flip-flop.
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Welcome back, btw.
That Tater Salad persona was getting lame.
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(Last edited by daimoni; Sep 12, 2004 at 11:47 AM.
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Originally posted by daimoni:
While you're at it... tell us how the standing President hasn't flip-flopped?
You can't.
Name an instance where one of Bush's so-called flip-flops wasn't actually forced on him. Bush, at least, only flip-flops when there is no alternative, rather than Kerry, who does in fact seem to flip-flop at the drop of a hat.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate Bush, but as a matter of giving the devil his due, he does actually have principles that he stands up to. Whether you or I would agree with those principles is certainly debatable, but the fact remains that he has them.
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You are in Soviet Russia. It is dark. Grue is likely to be eaten by YOU!
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Originally posted by Millennium:
Name an instance where one of Bush's so-called flip-flops wasn't actually forced on him. Bush, at least, only flip-flops when there is no alternative, rather than Kerry, who does in fact seem to flip-flop at the drop of a hat.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate Bush, but as a matter of giving the devil his due, he does actually have principles that he stands up to. Whether you or I would agree with those principles is certainly debatable, but the fact remains that he has them.
What do you mean "forced on him?" If you mean "became necessary otherwise he'd be politically hurt by his stand," then I'd agree with you.
9/11 commission (against then for)
McCain-Feingold (against then for)
gay marriage (for states' rights then against)
Iraq intelligence commission (against then for)
Condi testifying (against then for)
free trade (against tariffs then imposes them)
homeland security dept. (against then for)
Was he forced to do anything in any of those flip-flops? No. But he did them because the political pressure was on. The same is true of Kerry's flip-flops. It was tough to be against the Iraq war right after 9/11, but then it was tough to be for it during the Dem primaries. I'm not sure what Kerry's other flip-flops are. Maybe someone can list them.
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The only Bush flip-flop I can think of where he was forced was on removing the steel tariffs, but that was really a flop-flip rather than a flip-flop because imposing the tariffs in the first place was really a flip-flop from his usual free-trade position.
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Originally posted by Millennium:
Name an instance where one of Bush's so-called flip-flops wasn't actually forced on him. Bush, at least, only flip-flops when there is no alternative, rather than Kerry, who does in fact seem to flip-flop at the drop of a hat.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate Bush, but as a matter of giving the devil his due, he does actually have principles that he stands up to. Whether you or I would agree with those principles is certainly debatable, but the fact remains that he has them.
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I'll stop using the term "colored" as soon as they do.
I'm somewhat of an enigma: an atheist conservative.
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