[perryp16]

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/441646.html

Poll: 64% of Israeli Jews support encouraging Arabs to leave

A University of Haifa poll released Monday reveals that a majority of the Jewish public in Israel - 63.7 percent - believes that the government should encourage Israeli Arabs to emigrate from Israel.

The survey, conducted by the university's National Security Studies Center, also found that 48.6 percent of the Israeli Jews polled said the government was overly sympathetic to the Arab population.

Compared to similar polls conducted in 2001 and 2003, the current survey indicates an increase in the public's extremism.

The majority of Jewish respondents, 55.3 percent, said Israeli Arabs endangered national security, while 45.3 percent of those polled said they supported revoking Israeli Arabs' right to vote and hold political office.

About one-quarter of the Jewish public said they would consider voting for an ultra-nationalist party like the outlawed Kach if such a party was to run in the next elections, the survey revealed.

The Mossawa Arab rights center called on Justice Minister Yosef Lapid to sponsor a bill to prevent incitement encouraging Arab Israelis to leave the country. The group also asked Attorney General Menachem Mazuz to ensure enforcement of the law against racist incitement.

The poll also examined Israeli attitudes toward illegal foreign workers. The vast majority of respondents - 72.1 percent - supported imposing entry restrictions on the workers. Fifty-four percent said the economic situation was exacerbated by foreign laborers who take the jobs of Israelis.

Research associate Dr. Dafna Kaneti-Nissim said the poll showcases a documented world-wide phenomenon in which people who feel threatened tend to develop hostility toward minorities living among them.

"The public identifies the Israeli-Arab sector with the threat of terror," Kaneti-Nissim said. "The foreign workers are perceived as an economic threat, despite the fact that they do not endanger the jobs of most Israelis."

Professor Gabriel Ben-David supervised the poll, which tabulated the responses of 1,016 Israelis to phone interviews conducted in May.

[Splinter]

its scary and sad what war and lasting conflict will do to people and the way they trust and even interact with other people.

I think its pretty twisted that they would want the Israeli arabs kicked out they are a great part of the community I have many friends there and they ar'nt even bothering anyone... people are just getting paranoid.

[perryp16]

Just a natural result of Jewish-Supremacism

[Logic]

I wonder how many posts this thread would have got by now if the article was about Palestinians wanting to do the same, or some Arab nation wanting to do this...............

Do you think we would have gotten past 4 posts by now?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Logic:
I wonder how many posts this thread would have got by now if the article was about Palestinians wanting to do the same, or some Arab nation wanting to do this...............

Do you think we would have gotten past 4 posts by now?

You are acting like this is some sort of suprise. I would want the Arabs to leave too if I lived in Israel. How many homicide bombers does it take to say enough is enough ...get the hell out?

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by perryp16:
Just a natural result of Jewish-Supremacism

and watching their children get blown to pieces.

[deomacius]

Originally posted by Logic:
I wonder how many posts this thread would have got by now if the article was about Palestinians wanting to do the same, or some Arab nation wanting to do this...............

Do you think we would have gotten past 4 posts by now?

Logic,

If the Arabs themselves won't do something to stop the bombers who should or will?

[Logic]

Originally posted by dcolton:
You are acting like this is some sort of suprise. I would want the Arabs to leave too if I lived in Israel. How many homicide bombers does it take to say enough is enough ...get the hell out?

How many of the suicide bombers have been Israeli citizens?

[Logic]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
and watching their children get blown to pieces.

Sort of like 5 times as many Palestinians then............

[Logic]

Originally posted by deomacius:
Logic,

If the Arabs themselves won't do something to stop the bombers who should or will?

Same question as for dcolton. How many of the suicide bombers have been Israeli citizens?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Logic:
Same question as for dcolton. How many of the suicide bombers have been Israeli citizens?

How many of the homicide bombers have been Israeli?

[Logic]

Originally posted by dcolton:
How many of the homicide bombers have been Israeli?

Why are you asking me the same thing as I asked you?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Logic:
Why are you asking me the same thing as I asked you?

Because I am a dumb ass...meant to say arabs/ muslims

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Logic:
Sort of like 5 times as many Palestinians then............

and the Israeli military strikes wouldn't occur if it weren't for the suicide bombers...........

[Logic]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Because I am a dumb ass...meant to say arabs/ muslims

I would say most if not all. But you still haven't answered my(and your own)question, that is how many Israeli's have been suicide bombers?

[Logic]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
and the Israeli military strikes wouldn't occur if it weren't for the suicide bombers...........

and the suicide bombings wouldn't occur without an occupation........

[deomacius]

Originally posted by Logic:
Same question as for dcolton. How many of the suicide bombers have been Israeli citizens?

Please...enlighten me. Links would be nice as well. From what I've read and seen Israeli citizens have not been aggressors but victims. That's not to take anything away from the Palestinian Arabs that have died, but you'd think they'd say enough is enough and start ratting these guys out or trying to stop it themselves. It's called self governance.

[deomacius]

Originally posted by Logic:
and the suicide bombings wouldn't occur without an occupation........

Funny, I don't see Indians (Native Americans) trying to blow up the occupationists. I see them trying to live alongside them. Now you tell ME which tactic was more successful. NOTHING justifies that kind of violence. Sorry.

[perryp16]

Seems like there's a lot of support for apartheid on here

[dcolton]

Originally posted by perryp16:
Seems like there's a lot of support for apartheid on here

No, I support an Israel without terrorism. What about you?

[perryp16]

it's not surprising Israel was one of the biggest supporters of Apartheid-era South Africa

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Logic:
and the suicide bombings wouldn't occur without an occupation........

which wouldn't occur if the Arabs hadn't provoked war over 30 years ago..........

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by perryp16:
it's not surprising Israel was one of the biggest supporters of Apartheid-era South Africa

Nice bullsh!t, don't have anything to back it up though.

[perryp16]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Nice bullsh!t, don't have anything to back it up though.

"Israel was also apartheid South Africa's leading arms supplier with annual two-way sales worth more than $500m in violation of a UN arms embargo.44 In fact, selling arms to countries boycotted by other arms exporters has helped Israel become a leading arms exporter."
http://www.caat.org.uk/information/p...srael-1002.php

[Millennium]

Frankly, we need to get away from the "Israel vs. Palestine" labeling. They refer to the same region, and many "Palestinians" as we understand them are in fact also Israeli citizens, and so these labels get quite confusing.

What should replace them? I don't claim to know for certain. Perhaps borrowing a page from the political-correctness movement (something I normally abhor, but it does occasionally prove useful), perhaps we should add a second axis? This yields four terms: "Jewish-Israeli", "Arab-Israeli", "Arab-Palestinian", and "Jewish-Palestinian". Of these, "Jewish" and "Arab" are self-explanatory; "Israel" refers to the nation, while "Palestine" refers to the region, so "Palestinian" for this terminology refers to someone living in the area who is not a citizen of the nation of Israel. Given these, alongside Israel's citizenship laws, the last of these four terms (Jewish-Palestinian) is not likely to be used very often, but it remains a theoretical possibility.

Using such terminology, Logic's question is probably better rephrased as follows: Of the homicide-bombers, what proportions come from each of these four groups?

I would like to add another question onto this, actually: how have these proportions changed over time? Many years ago (decades, actually; before most of us here were born or old enough to remember), the proportions were quite different from what we know today.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by perryp16:
"Israel was also apartheid South Africa's leading arms supplier with annual two-way sales worth more than $500m in violation of a UN arms embargo.44 In fact, selling arms to countries boycotted by other arms exporters has helped Israel become a leading arms exporter."
http://www.caat.org.uk/information/p...srael-1002.php

Let's see, that was a claim made by JDW on 20/3/87. Who is JDW?

[davesimondotcom]

Just curious, what is the percentage of Palestinians who feel that Jews should leave? Are they going to be accused of wanting "apartheid?"

It's pretty much the same old same old when it comes to this region. It isn't news that these groups don't get along.

[perryp16]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Let's see, that was a claim made by JDW on 20/3/87. Who is JDW?

You don't know who JDW are? It's even in the link.

"Israel was also apartheid South Africa's leading arms supplier with annual two-way sales worth more than $500m in violation of a UN arms embargo.44 In fact, selling arms to countries boycotted by other arms exporters has helped Israel become a leading arms exporter."
http://www.caat.org.uk/information/p...srael-1002.php

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by perryp16:
You don't know who JDW are? It's even in the link.

"Israel was also apartheid South Africa's leading arms supplier with annual two-way sales worth more than $500m in violation of a UN arms embargo.44 In fact, selling arms to countries boycotted by other arms exporters has helped Israel become a leading arms exporter."
http://www.caat.org.uk/information/p...srael-1002.php

Thanks, nice neutral site there. And no, I'm not going to read all 50 pages of that crap.

Jane's Defence Weekly (excellent publication, BTW), claims that those were repairs and upgrades to Boeing 707s, not weapons (per se). So, because they fix their commercial planes, they're automatically "supporters"? Heh.

[deomacius]

Originally posted by Millennium:
I would like to add another question onto this, actually: how have these proportions changed over time? Many years ago (decades, actually; before most of us here were born or old enough to remember), the proportions were quite different from what we know today.

Yes, things have changed...

Jewish Virtual Library

[perryp16]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Thanks, nice neutral site there.

The only sensible thing you've said.

Originally posted by MacNStein:
And no, I'm not going to read all 50 pages of that crap.

That's OK, you've already displayed your inability to read.

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Jane's Defence Weekly (excellent publication, BTW),

....which you'd never heard of before!

Originally posted by MacNStein:
claims that those were repairs and upgrades to Boeing 707s, not weapons (per se). So, because they fix their commercial planes, they're automatically "supporters"?

The 707s you mention are under the heading of 'other recent deals'. You mention this in order to draw attention away from the fact that the article states 'Israel was also apartheid South Africa's leading arms supplier'. 707s are not arms, Mr MacNStein.

Here is another link detailing Israel's collaboration and support of Apartheid-era South Africa. Bear in mind that your original response was 'Nice bullsh!t, don't have anything to back it up though'.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profil...1622_1643.html

1972-1975
South Africa provides Israel with depleted uranium and natural uranium rods.

1973-1976
Israeli-South African arms sales and joint trade grow from $30 to $100 million within a three-year period.

1974
South Africa and Israel strengthen military cooperation.

1974
Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres and South African President John Vorster hold a secret meeting in Geneva. The two reportedly sign an agreement for strategic cooperation between the two countries. The agreement is a mutual defense pact according to which "the two countries would assist each other in wartime by supplying spare parts and ammunition from emergency stocks. Each country agreed that its territory would be used to store all types of weapons for the other country." According to Dieter Gerhardt, a senior commander in the South African Navy who for many years spied for the Soviet Union, under a later clause in the agreement called "Chalet," Israel agreed to arm eight Jericho II missiles with "special warheads" for South Africa.

February 1974-1976
A US DIA intelligence appraisal reports, "the most significant military transaction between Israel and South Africa is the possible sale of SAAR IV (RESHEF) missile patrol boats complete with Gabriel surface-to-surface missiles." Three boats would be purchased from Israel and three more would be built in South Africa. Israeli Gabriel missiles are reportedly sold to South Africa for use in a new construction program for patrol boats. South Africa also obtains Centurion tanks and components from Israel.

1975
An official Israeli delegation visiting Pretoria reportedly is told by a South African official: "You are a minority in your region, and so are we. You are surrounded by millions of enemies, and so are we. The Arabs want to throw you into the sea, and the blacks want to throw us out of Africa. You have won in the past, and you will win again, because you have no alternative. The same is true for us." [Note: This encapsulates the sentiment underlying what some call "The Unnatural Alliance"” between Israel and South Africa. James Adams authors a book with this title in 1984.]

Mid to Late 1970s
South Africa supplies Israel with steel for its Merkhava battle-tank. In return, Israel gives South Africa the production information for a new type of armor plate.

April 1976
South African Prime Minister John Vorster visits Israel and signs an agreement on scientific, financial, and economic cooperation with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. The agreement also provides for upgrading diplomatic representation and the visit of Israeli ministers to South Africa.

1977
Israel exchanges 30 grams of tritium for 50 tons of South African uranium. The tritium is flown in twelve shipments of 2.5 grams each during an 18-month period. [Note: Israeli-South African nuclear cooperation paves the way for future collaboration in ballistic missile development.]

7 December 1977
Israel announces compliance with UN Security Council Resolution 418, which calls for a mandatory embargo of arms shipments to South Africa.

22 September 1979
A US Vela surveillance satellite detects a "brief, intense, double flash of light near the southern tip of Africa." Due to its characteristics, the US officials estimate that the flash could have resulted from the test of a nuclear device with a yield of 2 to 4 kilotons. South Africa emerges "as the prime suspect," but the South African government denies that it has conducted a nuclear test. There are also rumors that Israel conducted a nuclear test, either alone or in conjunction with South Africa. US President Jimmy Carter assembles a panel of non-governmental scientists to determine whether the flash registered by the Vela was the result of a nuclear explosion. [Note: Subsequent information indicates that South Africa did not possess sufficient highly enriched uranium (HEU) to conduct a nuclear weapons test at this time.]

Mid to Late 1980s
South Africa initiates work on the RSA-3 satellite launch vehicle (SLV). The RSA-3 begins development as an intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) because of the perceived Soviet threat and isolation of South Africa. It is developed with the assistance of Israel and believed to be essentially identical to the Israeli Jericho II missile, but with addition of a third-stage apogee kick motor. Houwteq develops the RSA-3 at Grabouw, 30km east of Cape Town. The OTR is used for test flights. The engine test facility is at Rooi Els. At the peak of development in 1992, 50 to 70 companies in the public and private sector are involved, employing 1300 to 1500 people.

5 December 1980
Israel, South Africa, and Taiwan are reported to have reached an agreement to start collaboration in the joint production of strategic cruise missiles and small unmanned jets capable of delivering nuclear warheads. US Intelligence sources are aware of the nuclear collaboration and report that South Africa and Taiwan are seeking to keep their cruise missile plans secret. Information on the joint collaboration remains restricted to the national security community.

[Logic]

Originally posted by deomacius:
Please...enlighten me. Links would be nice as well. From what I've read and seen Israeli citizens have not been aggressors but victims.

So why expel Israeli citizens?

[Logic]

Originally posted by deomacius:
Funny, I don't see Indians (Native Americans) trying to blow up the occupationists. I see them trying to live alongside them. Now you tell ME which tactic was more successful. NOTHING justifies that kind of violence. Sorry.

Well they gave up. And it also helped that the Europeans committed genocide. Perhaps you want Israel to do the same?

[Logic]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
which wouldn't occur if the Arabs hadn't provoked war over 30 years ago..........

which wouldn't have happened if the State of Israel hadn't been declared on Arab land and thereby stealing land from the people who lived there.........



if we keep this up we might find the famous root cause

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Logic:
Well they gave up. And it also helped that the Europeans committed genocide. Perhaps you want Israel to do the same?

The only people who speak of genocide constantly are the palestinians, which you think so highly of. They'll get what's coming to them eventually.

[Logic]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Using such terminology, Logic's question is probably better rephrased as follows: Of the homicide-bombers, what proportions come from each of these four groups?

Yup, very true. Good to see that someone actually understood the question.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by deomacius:
Please...enlighten me. Links would be nice as well. From what I've read and seen Israeli citizens have not been aggressors but victims. That's not to take anything away from the Palestinian Arabs that have died, but you'd think they'd say enough is enough and start ratting these guys out or trying to stop it themselves. It's called self governance.

How many suicide bombers have been arab israelis?

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
The only people who speak of genocide constantly are the palestinians, which you think so highly of. They'll get what's coming to them eventually.

Care to back that up?

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by perryp16:
The only sensible thing you've said.


That's OK, you've already displayed your inability to read.


....which you'd never heard of before!


The 707s you mention are under the heading of 'other recent deals'. You mention this in order to draw attention away from the fact that the article states 'Israel was also apartheid South Africa's leading arms supplier'. 707s are not arms, Mr MacNStein.

Here is another link detailing Israel's collaboration and support of Apartheid-era South Africa. Bear in mind that your original response was 'Nice bullsh!t, don't have anything to back it up though'.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profil...1622_1643.html

1972-1975
South Africa provides Israel with depleted uranium and natural uranium rods.

1973-1976
Israeli-South African arms sales and joint trade grow from $30 to $100 million within a three-year period.

1974
South Africa and Israel strengthen military cooperation.

1974
Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres and South African President John Vorster hold a secret meeting in Geneva. The two reportedly sign an agreement for strategic cooperation between the two countries. The agreement is a mutual defense pact according to which "the two countries would assist each other in wartime by supplying spare parts and ammunition from emergency stocks. Each country agreed that its territory would be used to store all types of weapons for the other country." According to Dieter Gerhardt, a senior commander in the South African Navy who for many years spied for the Soviet Union, under a later clause in the agreement called "Chalet," Israel agreed to arm eight Jericho II missiles with "special warheads" for South Africa.

February 1974-1976
A US DIA intelligence appraisal reports, "the most significant military transaction between Israel and South Africa is the possible sale of SAAR IV (RESHEF) missile patrol boats complete with Gabriel surface-to-surface missiles." Three boats would be purchased from Israel and three more would be built in South Africa. Israeli Gabriel missiles are reportedly sold to South Africa for use in a new construction program for patrol boats. South Africa also obtains Centurion tanks and components from Israel.

1975
An official Israeli delegation visiting Pretoria reportedly is told by a South African official: "You are a minority in your region, and so are we. You are surrounded by millions of enemies, and so are we. The Arabs want to throw you into the sea, and the blacks want to throw us out of Africa. You have won in the past, and you will win again, because you have no alternative. The same is true for us." [Note: This encapsulates the sentiment underlying what some call "The Unnatural Alliance"” between Israel and South Africa. James Adams authors a book with this title in 1984.]

Mid to Late 1970s
South Africa supplies Israel with steel for its Merkhava battle-tank. In return, Israel gives South Africa the production information for a new type of armor plate.

April 1976
South African Prime Minister John Vorster visits Israel and signs an agreement on scientific, financial, and economic cooperation with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. The agreement also provides for upgrading diplomatic representation and the visit of Israeli ministers to South Africa.

1977
Israel exchanges 30 grams of tritium for 50 tons of South African uranium. The tritium is flown in twelve shipments of 2.5 grams each during an 18-month period. [Note: Israeli-South African nuclear cooperation paves the way for future collaboration in ballistic missile development.]

7 December 1977
Israel announces compliance with UN Security Council Resolution 418, which calls for a mandatory embargo of arms shipments to South Africa.

22 September 1979
A US Vela surveillance satellite detects a "brief, intense, double flash of light near the southern tip of Africa." Due to its characteristics, the US officials estimate that the flash could have resulted from the test of a nuclear device with a yield of 2 to 4 kilotons. South Africa emerges "as the prime suspect," but the South African government denies that it has conducted a nuclear test. There are also rumors that Israel conducted a nuclear test, either alone or in conjunction with South Africa. US President Jimmy Carter assembles a panel of non-governmental scientists to determine whether the flash registered by the Vela was the result of a nuclear explosion. [Note: Subsequent information indicates that South Africa did not possess sufficient highly enriched uranium (HEU) to conduct a nuclear weapons test at this time.]

Mid to Late 1980s
South Africa initiates work on the RSA-3 satellite launch vehicle (SLV). The RSA-3 begins development as an intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) because of the perceived Soviet threat and isolation of South Africa. It is developed with the assistance of Israel and believed to be essentially identical to the Israeli Jericho II missile, but with addition of a third-stage apogee kick motor. Houwteq develops the RSA-3 at Grabouw, 30km east of Cape Town. The OTR is used for test flights. The engine test facility is at Rooi Els. At the peak of development in 1992, 50 to 70 companies in the public and private sector are involved, employing 1300 to 1500 people.

5 December 1980
Israel, South Africa, and Taiwan are reported to have reached an agreement to start collaboration in the joint production of strategic cruise missiles and small unmanned jets capable of delivering nuclear warheads. US Intelligence sources are aware of the nuclear collaboration and report that South Africa and Taiwan are seeking to keep their cruise missile plans secret. Information on the joint collaboration remains restricted to the national security community.

First, yes, I have heard of "Jane's", just not by that abbreviation. I never said I don't know who Janes Information Group is... or are YOU having reading comprehension problems? Jane's Defence Weekly is only ONE of dozens and dozens of publications that JIG produces, though, you may not know that.

Secondly, your attack on my supposed inability to read is funny. Haven't had a chuckle that good in days. Thanks.

Thirdly, the information you supplied is from 2 types of sources; those that are dubious at best (authors' books with unknown sources), and those which are untraceable (none of the CIA links work). REAL sources (reputable news agencies and gov't agnecies) linking REAL evidence. Not just pages with propaganda, please.

Forthly, why didn't Israel get sanctioned if there was such SOLID evidence? Surely the UN could have said something about it and taken steps to stop it. Or, is this, like many other conspiracy theories, mostly bluster without substance?

[Logic]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Forthly, why didn't Israel get sanctioned if there was such SOLID evidence? Surely the UN could have said something about it and taken steps to stop it. Or, is this, like many other conspiracy theories, mostly bluster without substance?

That would require a UNSC vote and we know how willing a certain country there is to have any resolutions condemning another certain nation is.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Logic:
which wouldn't have happened if the State of Israel hadn't been declared on Arab land and thereby stealing land from the people who lived there.........

Which was established by the UK and was given to reconstitute the Israeli homland, which was originally there thousands of years ago.........

and I've seen photos before Israel was established, it wasn't like the Arabs were doing anything with it anyway.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Logic:
That would require a UNSC vote and we know how willing a certain country there is to have any resolutions condemning another certain nation is.

Oh c'mon! They didn't even take it as far as a vote! The UN didn't even establish an investigation committee regarding it.... and THEY form committees just to decide who goes to the bathroom first during a committee meeting.

[Logic]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Which was established by the UK and was given to reconstitute the Israeli homland, which was originally there thousands of years ago.........

and I've seen photos before Israel was established, it wasn't like the Arabs were doing anything with it anyway.

1. The UK never said it would reconstitute the Jewish homeland. So that's wrong. And even if it was originally there, the Palestinians were originally there as well. Or do you think that there were only Jews in the old "Eretz Israel"?

2. Thanks for proving the racism that is one of the Zionists main arguments.

[Logic]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Oh c'mon! They didn't even take it as far as a vote!

Why should they take it that far when it was known that it would never be supported by that certain country?

Do you have the slightest idea of how the UN works?

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Logic:
1. The UK never said it would reconstitute the Jewish homeland. So that's wrong. And even if it was originally there, the Palestinians were originally there as well. Or do you think that there were only Jews in the old "Eretz Israel"?

2. Thanks for proving the racism that is one of the Zionists main arguments.

The UK knew what it was doing and chose that particular site for a reason. Maybe the Palestinians should go bomb the Brits?

And who said there couldn't be Palestinian Arabs in Israel? As long as they don't go around bombing people, that is.........

Racism? Where?

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Logic:
Why should they take it that far when it was known that it would never be supported by that certain country?

Do you have the slightest idea of how the UN works?

Yes, I do (to a degree, though UN protocol law isn't one of my strengths). But it wasn't even raised in discussion, or officially brought up at all. If Israel did those things, wouldn't it even be mentioned before the UNSC? Oh, right, they only mention things that they KNOW are going to pass...

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Logic:
Care to back that up?

Yes, I do mind wasting my time in presenting you with common knowledge information.

Read the hamas charter for starters, I'm not here to educate you. We've already been through this same topic on previous threads.

If your next reply ends with a ? as usual, then you should be aware of the fact that I am not here to answer your questions.

[Logic]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
The UK knew what it was doing and chose that particular site for a reason. Maybe the Palestinians should go bomb the Brits?

And who said there couldn't be Palestinian Arabs in Israel? As long as they don't go around bombing people, that is.........

Racism? Where?

Yes, they chose that site for a reason but they never meant to create a Jewish state in Palestine. That is why the Balfour Declaration(perhaps you've heard of it) said a Jewish homeland and not the Jewish homeland. There's a big difference between those two words. And why couldn't Jews live in Palestine? The Palestinians even offered to take them in and protect them. Why was that offer not good enough?

If you can't see the racism in the following statement I guess there is little hope for the Zionist movement and it's supporters:

and I've seen photos before Israel was established, it wasn't like the Arabs were doing anything with it anyway.

[Logic]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Yes, I do (to a degree, though UN protocol law isn't one of my strengths). But it wasn't even raised in discussion, or officially brought up at all. If Israel did those things, wouldn't it even be mentioned before the UNSC? Oh, right, they only mention things that they KNOW are going to pass...

No, they only mention things that they KNOW there is a chance is going to pass. It is only those resolutions that get any formal discussion.

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Yes, I do mind wasting my time in presenting you with common knowledge information.

Read the hamas charter for starters, I'm not here to educate you. We've already been through this same topic on previous threads.

If your next reply ends with a ? as usual, then you should be aware of the fact that I am not here to answer your questions.

Well if it's such common knowledge it should take so long for you to provide a link or two.

But I've never expected the pro-Zionists to back any of their claims up with facts so don't bother.


See, no ?. Just for you.