[voodoo]

http://www.georgebush.com/News/Multi...ID=968&T=2

or if that link don't work just go to

http://www.georgewbush.com/VideoAndAudio/

and there it is.

Why?

[BRussell]

That is funny. Maybe they figure the more people watch it, they more they will dislike Kerry. It might be true.

[Millennium]

They might be pulling a tactic similar to that used in World War II, where the Americans took Nazi propaganda films, slapped subtitles on them, and released them as their own propaganda. They didn't even have to do any edits; Hitler's speeches scared the bejeezus out of people well enough without editing. Triumph of the Will may have been the most effective Nazi propaganda film of the war, but it was also the most effective Allied propaganda film.

Kerry is no Hitler, of course, but the same principle -using a person's own words against them- can still apply.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Millennium:
They might be pulling a tactic similar to that used in World War II, where the Americans took Nazi propaganda films, slapped subtitles on them, and released them as their own propaganda. They didn't even have to do any edits; Hitler's speeches scared the bejeezus out of people well enough without editing. Triumph of the Will may have been the most effective Nazi propaganda film of the war, but it was also the most effective Allied propaganda film.

Kerry is no Hitler, of course, but the same principle -using a person's own words against them- can still apply.

I've listened to that speech and besides some awkwardly corny 'american apple pie' moments the speech was pretty good. Nothing embarrassing.

[OSX Abuser]

Maybe bush will use it as a learning aid.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by BRussell:
That is funny. Maybe they figure the more people watch it, they more they will dislike Kerry. It might be true.

That is exactly why it was put there.

Wait till the debates start. The more people knows what Kerry is "about" the less are going to be voting for him.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
That is exactly why it was put there.

Wait till the debates start. The more people knows what Kerry is "about" the less are going to be voting for him.

Yep, I played it for a "middle-of-the-road" friend of mine (who missed the speech when it originally aired) and it unnerved her enough to say that she wouldn't vote for him. She said, "he sounds like a complete fraud". *shrug*

[voodoo]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Yep, I played it for a "middle-of-the-road" friend of mine (who missed the speech when it originally aired) and it unnerved her enough to say that she wouldn't vote for him. She said, "he sounds like a complete fraud". *shrug*

Ho hum. Sounds like your "girlfriend" wasn't all that middle of the road then.

I'd say Bushie is giving JFK waaay more publicity than he should if he wants to win the man come november. But then Bushie won't win

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
I'd say Bushie is giving JFK waaay more publicity than he should if he wants to win the man come november. But then Bushie won't win

And you are married to Morgan Fairchild....

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Ho hum. Sounds like your "girlfriend" wasn't all that middle of the road then.

I'd say Bushie is giving JFK waaay more publicity than he should if he wants to win the man come november. But then Bushie won't win

I don't know, she voted for Gore last time.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
I don't know, she voted for Gore last time.

The Gore/Liberman ticket was waaaaay more conservative than Kerry/Edwards. Those guys aren't even pretending to be a "wittle bit wite wing" like that fool Gore. That kind of lack of distinction cost him an election against a the current president of the U.S.

Point being, in the last election there was no major difference whether you voted Gore or Bush, but this time there is a clear difference.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
The Gore/Liberman ticket was waaaaay more conservative than Kerry/Edwards.

Right, and America doesn't like far left liberals. That is why I said as soon as Kerry makes his motive known, his approval will tank.

Clinton was a middle of the roader as well. That is why he did so well.

[finboy]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
That is exactly why it was put there.

Wait till the debates start. The more people knows what Kerry is "about" the less are going to be voting for him.

it's "the FEWER"

And you're right. Kerry's speech said nothing about Kerry and where his head's been for the last 20 years. Folks will see through it.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by voodoo:
I've listened to that speech and besides some awkwardly corny 'american apple pie' moments the speech was pretty good. Nothing embarrassing.

A Kerry supporter wouldn't find anything embarrassing, most likely. But the same words can mean very different things to different people. That's what made Nazi propaganda films also work well as Allied propaganda; the same film meant entirely different things to the two audiences.

I have not heard the speech yet, I will admit, so I will use a more modern example of a phrase which means very different things to different people: "national health care". To some, it means longer life for children. To others, it means the enslavement of doctors.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Millennium:
a phrase which means very different things to different people: "national health care". To some, it means longer life for children. To others, it means the enslavement of doctors.

Very interesting. So when John Kerry talks about preservation of nature what could that mean to people? And what phrase would George W use when generally talking about the 'nature' concept I wonder.

Everything Kerry said was very general but as you observed it can be interpreted in various ways depending on the audience's preconceptions about that candidate.

I am no supporter of Kerry more than any other - this is U.S. politics but I'm European - but being vaguely interested in politics and entertained by the farce around the U.S. presidential election past and present I took the time to listen to and analyze Kerry's speech. I maintain that nothing he said could be understood as negative towards any group of interest. Maybe it was rather what he didn't say, but that is another discussion.

I think the preconceptions of the people listening to that speech are apparently dominating their interpretations of Kerry's speech. Such a pity.