[spauldingg]

and he's right. (even though he's left.)

read it here

"Politicians will stretch the truth. They'll exaggerate their accomplishments, paper over their gaffes. Spin has long been the lingua franca of the political realm. But George W. Bush and his administration have taken "normal" mendacity to a startling new level far beyond lies of convenience. On top of the usual massaging of public perception, they traffic in big lies, indulge in any number of symptomatic small lies, and, ultimately, have come to embody dishonesty itself. They are a lie. And people, finally, have started catching on."

[zigzag]

Wow - I wonder how Reagan really feels about Dubya?

He's a bit relentless, which makes him harder to digest. Sadly, I think he's on target about 70-80% of the time.

He gave an interview a few weeks back that was more measured - I recommend it: http://freshair.npr.org/week_fa.jhtml . It includes some interesting insights about his father.

I didn't like his speech at the convention - it seemed a little too glib, a little too infomercial-ish. But he seems to be a very thoughtful and articulate guy. And I hear he's good at covering dog shows.

[badidea]

Since when is Reagan not dead anymore?

[Ghoser777]

The thread title is somewhat misleading - it's about Ronald Reagan's son, not President Reagan.

[Logic]

Great stuff

Bush apologists can smilingly excuse his malopropisms and vagueness as the plainspokenness of a man of action, but watching Bush flounder when attempting to communicate extemporaneously, one is left with the impression that he is ineloquent not because he can't speak but because he doesn't bother to think.

[xi_hyperon]

Originally posted by Logic:
Great stuff

Doesn't bother to think, or is struggling to find two neurons to rub together.

[MacGorilla]

[davesimondotcom]

All the excuses that GWB critics have used for his success are common to Ron Reagan, powerful father, money, etc.

Yet he's never been a success in any way. He became a liberal mainly out of spite for his father.

His opinion is his opinion, but to make it seem as if it's some shock that Ron Reagan doesn't like Bush is silly.

[vmpaul]

Originally posted by zigzag:


He gave an interview a few weeks back that was more measured - I recommend it: http://freshair.npr.org/week_fa.jhtml . It includes some interesting insights about his father.

I listened to this the other day on your earlier reccommendation. Deifintely worthwhile.

Thanks.

[Stradlater]

Originally posted by Ghoser777:
The thread title is somewhat misleading - it's about Ronald Reagan's son, not President Reagan.

There's nothing misleading about it. President Emeritus Reagan is dead (did you not get the memo?).

[spauldingg]

Originally posted by davesimondotcom:
All the excuses that GWB critics have used for his success are common to Ron Reagan, powerful father, money, etc.

Yet he's never been a success in any way. He became a liberal mainly out of spite for his father.

reminds me of this part of the article: (Emphasis mine)


"The far-right wing of the country�nearly one third of us by some estimates�continues to regard all who refuse to drink the Kool-Aid (liberals, rationalists, Europeans, et cetera) as agents of Satan. Bush could show up on video canoodling with Paris Hilton and still bank their vote. Right-wing talking heads continue painting anyone who fails to genuflect deeply enough as a "hater," and therefore a nut job, probably a crypto-Islamist car bomber. But these protestations have taken on a hysterical, almost comically desperate tone."

[xi_hyperon]

Originally posted by spauldingg:
Right-wing talking heads continue painting anyone who fails to genuflect deeply enough as a "hater," and therefore a nut job, probably a crypto-Islamist car bomber. But these protestations have taken on a hysterical, almost comically desperate tone."

No, we never see the mature and intelligent name "hater" being used here.

[MindFad]

Read this yesterday. Go, Ron.

[smacintush]

Big whoop. Li'l Ronnie's been a lefty since I can remember, and his only claim to fame is his name.

Why should I care again?

[spauldingg]

Originally posted by smacintush:
Big whoop. Li'l Ronnie's been a lefty since I can remember, and his only claim to fame is his name.

Why should I care again?

Umm, because he wrote an intelligent article that is articulate, observant and so fricken true that only the most blinded right wing zealot could deny its veracity.

[CreepingDeth]

Um, isn't RON Reagan the little ballerina fairy Reagan? Why don't we talk to his normal son, Mike? Last time I checked, I saw the little fruitcup at the DNC convention, kissing ass. Why doesn't he just say it: "I think my father was a fascist bastard. Morality and values are for the old boys and Jews." Come on, I don't think this this man (used loosely) even show up for the USS Ronald Reagan christening. His own father!
Gay thread. Very misleading. Oh, and for the record, Nancy is behind Bush.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Um, isn't RON Reagan the little ballerina fairy Reagan? Why don't we talk to his normal son, Mike?
Gay thread. Very misleading. Oh, and for the record, Nancy is behind Bush.

Quoted for idiocy.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Quoted for idiocy.

Quoted for lack of intelligence.
Come, on! A rebuttal would be nice, not and a stupid sentence. Not very clever.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by smacintush:
Big whoop. Li'l Ronnie's been a lefty since I can remember, and his only claim to fame is his name.

Why should I care again?

bingo.

[Logic]

Originally posted by smacintush:
Big whoop. Li'l Ronnie's been a lefty since I can remember, and his only claim to fame is his name.

Why should I care again?

And Bush Junior doesn't share that with him?

[CreepingDeth]

Last time I checked, fruitcup was�what does he do anyway? In short, Bush is the most powerful man on the planet. Besides Superman. And remember, Ron doesn't have the Football.

[spauldingg]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Um, isn't RON Reagan the little ballerina fairy Reagan? Why don't we talk to his normal son, Mike?

I seem to be able to quote the article as response to almost every post.

"GEORGE W. BUSH PROMISED to "change the tone in Washington" and ran for office as a moderate, a "compassionate conservative," in the focus-group-tested sloganeering of his campaign. Yet he has governed from the right wing of his already conservative party, assiduously tending a "base" that includes, along with the expected Fortune 500 fat cats, fiscal evangelicals who talk openly of doing away with Social Security and Medicare, of shrinking government to the size where they can, in tax radical Grover Norquist's phrase, "drown it in the bathtub." That base also encompasses a healthy share of anti-choice zealots, homophobic bigots, and assorted purveyors of junk science. Bush has tossed bones to all of them�"partial birth" abortion legislation, the promise of a constitutional amendment banning marriage between homosexuals, federal roadblocks to embryonic-stem-cell research, even comments suggesting presidential doubts about Darwinian evolution. It's not that Mr. Bush necessarily shares their worldview; indeed, it's unclear whether he embraces any coherent philosophy. But this president, who vowed to eschew politics in favor of sound policy, panders nonetheless in the interest of political gain."

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by xi_hyperon:
No, we never see the mature and intelligent name "hater" being used here.

You must have Zimphire on ignore, too, eh?