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Aug 7, 2004, 07:43 PM
 
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Originally posted by Zimphire:

No, as I explained, my posts have been mockeries of those that are acting like it.
My point stands, your posts are generally of that quality=, meaning, you add nothing. In fact, if you're so keen to stand by dcolton onhis post, then why aren't you posting a single thing in defence of the article? Or are you trolling too.


That would be silly and off topic.
Silly for you to add something constructive? Indeed, it appears so.


You are nee-jerking again.
I am knee-jerking? Why? Because I want dolton to post his views and not just post someone else's work? So tell me, is that all you can do? try to taint my post by means of derogatory association with the term, 'knee-jerking'?

By that token, you've been doing the same. On one hand you are rattling your cage for people to try and take on this article; but on the other hand, you're doing the off-topic troll posts. Which is?
     
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Originally posted by dcolton:
I haven't seen any opinions offered. Just personal attacks and insults.
Well I've been trying to get a clarification of what your opinion is. But you seem to busy copy pasting someone else's hate to be able to project your own.

Are you going to continue copying stuff from others or are you going to tell us your opinion?

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Aug 7, 2004, 07:46 PM
 
Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Is there anything there that wasn't covered in the four thousand or so posts of discussion on homosexual marriage/homosexuality in general of the past six months?

I can't tell, because reading through that offensive drivel frankly just makes me sick.

I humbly suggest you seek help in dealing with your own issues elsewhere.

-s*
The gay side was allowed to present it's case, now I am presenting the moral side of the issue. Just a shame that you and everyone else can't get past the personal insult phase and discuss the issue at hand.

Are you ready for part 7?
     
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Like I said, dcolton, what is your opinion? Do you want us to post an in-depth rebuttal to what you posted, right now? And in fairnes, we deserve the same amount of time the authopr had in writinghis. Or, wl we wait till you post YOUR opinions, and this be able to tackle yours as of now?

Me thinks you are trolling.
     
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What "issue" is it that you want people to address? About whether homosexuality is a mental disorder - mental disorders are in part culturally determined. There are many, many examples of behaviors changing classifications from disorder to normal or vice-versa. I'm sure that gays didn't want to be called mentally ill, and I'm sure that Soviet dissidents didn't want that either.

About the % of gays in the population - yes, there's no doubt that some figures are huge overestimates. But every serious person recognizes the correct numbers today.

About the % of child molesters that are gay - yes, males molest boys in numbers higher than the rate of gay males in the population. But think about what that proves. Are those men who molest boys really gay? Or are they child molesters who prey on children, sometimes boys? I'd be interested in seeing whether those men who molest boys had relationships with adult men or women. A number of the examples provided are priests who are celibate. Well? Is it really fair to call them gay?
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:52 PM
 
Originally posted by Logic:
Well I've been trying to get a clarification of what your opinion is. But you seem to busy copy pasting someone else's hate to be able to project your own.

Are you going to continue copying stuff from others or are you going to tell us your opinion?
Now wait a second...I am offering facts. You guys know my personal opinion.

BTW...why is it hate when someone disagerees with your side? This is love. I am providing valuable information to those who have been decieved into believing their lifestyle is good and common. If one gay macnn'er can walk away and seek help with this knowledge - my endurance of the personal attacks, innuendos, and insults from the pro-gay gallery will be well worth it. Golly gee...if one gay person starts to question his lifestyle, it will be well worth it.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:55 PM
 
Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Like I said, dcolton, what is your opinion? Do you want us to post an in-depth rebuttal to what you posted, right now? And in fairnes, we deserve the same amount of time the authopr had in writinghis. Or, wl we wait till you post YOUR opinions, and this be able to tackle yours as of now?

Me thinks you are trolling.
Since you refrained from perverting my name, I will play your little game. Pick an article and we will discuss it.
     
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Originally posted by dcolton:
The gay side was allowed to present it's case, now I am presenting the moral side of the issue. Just a shame that you and everyone else can't get past the personal insult phase and discuss the issue at hand.
I will say this to the "issue at hand":

If you're presenting the "moral" side, then what's with all the pseudo-scientific ********?

You keep trying to justify the morality of your stance using "scientific" arguments.

You aren't presenting the "moral" side; you're just burying everyone in a deluge of worthless and unsubstantiated drivel in hopes that the old Zimphire-tactic of "he who shits the most wins" will work.

People aren't wrong just because they can't stand the stench.

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Aug 7, 2004, 07:58 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
Now wait a second...I am offering facts. You guys know my personal opinion.
No we don't. I've been asking you to clarify it several times in this thread and you've never answered my question.

Well until you've answered my question I see no reason for reading more of this hate-filled copy pasting of yours.

I'll give you one last chance. Do you think that Simey suffers from a mental disorder or do you just disagree with who he is?

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Originally posted by dcolton:
Golly gee...if one gay person starts to question his lifestyle, it will be well worth it.
You really have no clue how offensive you are, do you?
     
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Like I say, I can't respond to something I don't see as wrong or ammoral.
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Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Is there anything there that wasn't covered in the four thousand or so posts of discussion on homosexual marriage/homosexuality in general of the past six months?

I can't tell, because reading through that offensive drivel frankly just makes me sick.

I humbly suggest you seek help in dealing with your own issues elsewhere.

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He has no issues. You are projecting again.

You have a bad habit of that.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:00 PM
 
Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
I will say this to the "issue at hand":

If you're presenting the "moral" side, then what's with all the pseudo-scientific ********?

You keep trying to justify the morality of your stance using "scientific" arguments.

You aren't presenting the "moral" side; you're just burying everyone in a deluge of worthless and unsubstantiated drivel in hopes that the old Zimphire-tactic of "he who shits the most wins" will work.

People aren't wrong just because they can't stand the stench.

-s*
Like the junk science presented in the orgy of similar ideals threads? You guys are just getting a taste of your own medicine. Nice to see how you handle it.

Part 7: PFCC Barry Winchell

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Homosexual activists have long claimed that the murder of Pfc. Winchell at Fort Campbell, Kentucky was the result of anti-homosexual bigotry. The truth is finally emerging. Winchell appears to be the victim of homosexual jealousy and rage.

The brutal murder of Fort Campell, Kentucky soldier Pfc. Barry Winchell in the early morning hours of July 5, 1999 was brought to the small screen in a made-for-TV movie, "Soldier's Girl" in late May, 2003. The show aired repeatedly on Showtime in June.
Private First Class Barry Winchell has been pushed as a martyr against "homo-phobia" in the military.

Pfc. Winchell was killed in his sleep by a fellow soldier, Pvt. Calvin Glover, who repeatedly struck him in the head with a baseball bat. The murder was immediately seized upon by homosexual activist organizations as an example of the alleged failure of the U.S. military's "Don't ask, Don't tell, Don't harass" policy instituted by former President Clinton. The homosexual group, Servicemembers' Legal Defense Network (SLDN), immediately sent representatives to Fort Campbell to begin an investigation into the murder of Winchell, who was rumored to be a homosexual.

Winchell became a martyr for homosexuals and his death was used as a propaganda tool to push the military into lifting any restrictions on homosexuals serving openly in the services.

The murder of Winchell, however, was complicated for homosexual groups. As the facts emerged about his secret life, the press began reporting about Winchell's visits to Connections, a homosexual bar in Nashville and his dating a drag queen who calls himself "Calpernia Addams." At the time, Addams was undergoing hormone treatments to become a "female" but could not afford the surgery to remove his sex organs-so he was living as a SheMale-neither male nor female. He has since completed the surgery.

The New York Times magazine ran a sympathetic article about Addams in its May 28, 2000 issue. The title says it all: "An Inconvenient Woman: In order to turn the murdered soldier Barry Winchell into a martyr for gay rights, activists first had to turn his girlfriend, Calpernia Addams, back into a man." Times writer David France is clearly on the side of Addams and Winchell and sees nothing abnormal about a man thinking he's really a woman. A representative from SLDN urged Addams to tell reporters that he was really a man, not a woman. And Rhonda White, with the Nashville Lesbian and Gay Coalition for Justice, described the dilemma: "Barry was dating an anatomical male. How can you say he was gay-bashed if he was dating a woman, you know?"

The Murder Of Barry Winchell
Gets More Complicated

How did Winchell begin dating a drag queen from Nashville? And who is ultimately responsible for his death? Homosexual activists have claimed it was because of anti-gay hatred within the military. But the emerging facts of the case suggest something else.

Pfc. Winchell was first taken to Connections, the homosexual bar in Nashville, by his Army roommate Specialist Justin Fisher, who is currently serving 12 years in prison as an accessory to murder. Fisher received a reduced sentence through a plea bargain. Pvt. Glover, the killer of Winchell, is serving life in prison.
The young man who inspired the killing of Pfc. Barry Winchell suffers from a Gender Identity Disorder called "Transvestic Fetishism," wears women's underwear, and was sexually attracted to drag queens.

Fisher is also the person who inspired Glover to actually kill Winchell. Why? Because, according to David France, Fisher had frequented Connections before and was fascinated with drag queens and the homosexual underworld. In fact, at one point, Fisher asked Calpernia Addams to fix him up with a drag queen named Kim Wayne Mayfield, who was still physically male. Fisher even groped and made out with Mayfield at a bar. Keith Caruso, a forensic psychiatrist who examined Fisher said he suffers from a Gender Identity Disorder known as "transvestic fetishism," which has led him to wear women's underwear for sexual satisfaction. In fact, Fisher had worn women's underwear since he was 14. Clearly, Fisher was a deeply troubled young man who apparently struggled with homosexual desires-and was attracted to the drag queen underworld.

"Soldier's Girl," portrays Fisher as being jealous of Addams' dating Winchell. From what has been reported so far about Fisher's relationship with Winchell, it appears that the murder of this young man was not due to "homophobia" or "anti-gay" hatred within the military. It was the result of Fisher's own repressed homosexual rage and jealousy. David Mason, a movie critic for the Scripps Howard News Service, reviewed "Soldier's Girl" on May 31, 2003. Mason noted: "… 'Soldier's Girl' shows what's really upsetting Fisher is the time Winchell is spending with Addams. Fisher, who acts violently because of alcoholism, and pill abuse, wants to reclaim Winchell for himself in the film." Calpernia Addams praised the film's accuracy in a press presentation for Showtime. He observed: "They really got the spirit of this story right. And that was just a kind and gentle man loving someone."

The Murder Of PFC Barry Winchell
Was A Crime Of Homosexual Jealousy

From the various media reports now emerging about the murder of Pfc. Winchell, it appears that the killing was inspired by Spec. Fisher's jealousy (fueled by his homosexual/transvestism) -not the result of alleged "homophobia" or anti-homosexual rage within the U.S. military. It was Fisher who frequented the homosexual bar long before Winchell; he introduced Winchell to Addams; and he engaged in homosexual fondling and kissing with a drag queen. It was Fisher who prodded Calvin Glover to murder Winchell. What has been promoted as a homophobic hate crime now appears to have been a crime of homosexual passion-in a bizarre love triangle involving a homosexual, a transsexual, and a closeted drag queen.
     
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Now wait a second...I am offering facts. You guys know my personal opinion.
Yes, we know your position on this by means of a few lines of sensationalist words, but do you understand the article yourself? Do you understand what theories aer being put forth, and thus, do you subscribe to them? Do you believe in every word that article contains?

So instead of your usual couple of hate-filled sentences you normally put out, why not put together a more cohesive argument in which the basis for which is that article.

Over and out.
     
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Originally posted by sanity assassin:
My point stands, your posts are generally of that quality=, meaning, you add nothing. In fact, if you're so keen to stand by dcolton onhis post, then why aren't you posting a single thing in defence of the article? Or are you trolling too.

I am just defending dcolton from the trolls.

I am knee-jerking? Why? Because I want dolton to post his views and not just post someone else's work? So tell me, is that all you can do? try to taint my post by means of derogatory association with the term, 'knee-jerking'?

No you were knee jerking when you said this "thinly veiled hatred"

Keep to the subject. dcolton isn't doing anything wrong. And you guys are attacking him silly immature accusations.
     
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In the name of Jesus Christ the savior, I think we should hijack this thread with redneck jokes. I'll start;

You might be a redneck if...

You've been married three times and still have the same in-laws.
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Originally posted by BRussell:
What "issue" is it that you want people to address? About whether homosexuality is a mental disorder - mental disorders are in part culturally determined. There are many, many examples of behaviors changing classifications from disorder to normal or vice-versa. I'm sure that gays didn't want to be called mentally ill, and I'm sure that Soviet dissidents didn't want that either.

About the % of gays in the population - yes, there's no doubt that some figures are huge overestimates. But every serious person recognizes the correct numbers today.

About the % of child molesters that are gay - yes, males molest boys in numbers higher than the rate of gay males in the population. But think about what that proves. Are those men who molest boys really gay? Or are they child molesters who prey on children, sometimes boys? I'd be interested in seeing whether those men who molest boys had relationships with adult men or women. A number of the examples provided are priests who are celibate. Well? Is it really fair to call them gay?
So having sexual relations with someone of the same sex isn't necessarily homosexuality? LOL. I get it, you are claiming that gays can't be child molestors because a child molester is in a category all by him or herself...because apparantly gays can do no wrong.
     
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Originally posted by Zimphire:

I am just defending dcolton from the trolls.
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No you were knee jerking when you said this "thinly veiled hatred"

Keep to the subject. dcolton isn't doing anything wrong. And you guys are attacking him with knee-jerks and all out projection. [/B]
I keep to the subject? Which one? I haven;t seen him put one forward. What I saw was a post and run event, for him to not actually back up the theories in the article, but to have a go at those posting here.

As to my remarks on hatred, sorry, but judging by his past posts, this is anothe one of those ones inwhich, to me, is hate filled. Especially with extreme language that he uses, and the sheer audacity of him to not post his own views. I mean, his views which consist of something more than, 'those sodomisers destroying America'.
     
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What's a redneck call his first real girlfriend?


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Originally posted by dcolton:
So having sexual relations with someone of the same sex isn't necessarily homosexuality? LOL. I get it, you are claiming that gays can't be child molestors because a child molester is in a category all by him or herself...because apparantly gays can do no wrong.
If two girls enjoy a threesome with a guy and while they do that they pleasure each other are they bisexual, gay or just having a good time?

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Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
What's a redneck call his first real girlfriend?


"Sis".
lol, i thought it was funny
     
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Originally posted by dcolton:
So having sexual relations with someone of the same sex isn't necessarily homosexuality? LOL. I get it, you are claiming that gays can't be child molestors because a child molester is in a category all by him or herself...because apparantly gays can do no wrong.
That's another urban myth.

according to that, there cannot be any such thing as a homosexual pedophile! All of the are heterosexual!

Nonsense. If you are a pedophile and you are male, and you go after little girls you are a heterosexual pedophile.

If you go after boys, you are a homosexual pedophile.

If you don't care, your a bisexual pedophile.

Homosexuality and Heterosexuality has no age limits.
     
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Originally posted by MacGorilla:
uh oh, someone unleased the Zimphire of Mass Destruction!
Ahem, shouldn't that be, 'Mass Deception'?
     
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Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Ahem, shouldn't that be, 'Mass Deception'?
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Originally posted by sanity assassin:
I keep to the subject? Which one? I haven;t seen him put one forward. What I saw was a post and run event, for him to not actually back up the theories in the article, but to have a go at those posting here.

Poor excuse. There have been thousands of posts in here that are just clips of the article and links. No one makes a big fit unless it's something THEY don't want to hear.

As to my remarks on hatred, sorry, but judging by his past posts, this is anothe one of those ones inwhich, to me, is hate filled. Especially with extreme language that he uses, and the sheer audacity of him to not post his own views. I mean, his views which consist of something more than, 'those sodomisers destroying America'.
No, you are just being a knee-jerker.

I read the thread, the only hate filled posts I have been reading have been against dcolton.
     
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Wow, Zimphire just smackdowned dcolton.

shocking.
     
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Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Ahem, shouldn't that be, 'Mass Deception'?
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Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Wow, Zimphire just smackdowned dcolton.

shocking.
I did? Where? I think you mean I agreed with him.
     
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You might be a redneck if...

Your whole family is Democrats 'cept little Mary.
She lernt to readin'.
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Originally posted by doctorkeyser:
You might be a redneck if...

Your whole family is Democrats 'cept little Mary.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
That's another urban myth.

according to that, there cannot be any such thing as a homosexual pedophile! All of the are heterosexual!

Nonsense. If you are a pedophile and you are male, and you go after little girls you are a heterosexual pedophile.

If you go after boys, you are a homosexual pedophile.

If you don't care, your a bisexual pedophile.

Homosexuality and Heterosexuality has no age limits.
I'm afraid you simply have no ****ing clue about how abuse works.

It has NOTHING to do with sexuality, at heart. It is about POWER.

If you go after kids, you are a paedophile.

If you are a male paedophile going after boys, you are a paedophile.

If you are a female paedophile going after boys, you are a paedophile.

Paedophilia has no gender limits.
     
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
I read the thread, the only hate filled posts I have been reading have been against dcolton.
You should read his posts some time.
     
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Originally posted by Zimphire:

Poor excuse. There have been thousands of posts in here that are just clips of the article and links. No one makes a big fit unless it's something THEY don't want to hear.


So what? I'm making a big deal of this, I don't care about other people and what they do. If someone wants a response to something like this, I want it presented honestly.

No, you are just being a knee-jerker.

I read the thread, the only hate filled posts I have been reading have been against dcolton.
No, you're the knee-jerker by default, it's in your veins. Your knee-knocking responses were idiot filled, troll-like.

I stand by position that he is hate-filled in his words here. Deal with it.

by the way, I seriously dount you can read.
     
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Originally posted by dcolton:
So having sexual relations with someone of the same sex isn't necessarily homosexuality? LOL. I get it, you are claiming that gays can't be child molestors because a child molester is in a category all by him or herself...because apparantly gays can do no wrong.
Child molesters are abusing children. Thet are using their authority to manipulate/force children to do actions they are in no way able to understand, let alone putting them in danger of psychological an physical harm, as a consequence of the abuse.

What adults do amongst themselves, excluding children, is different.
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Sanity,

I asked you to choose one of the articles and I would discuss it with you...but you are avoiding this...why? So you can continually claim that I am not presenting my POV? That is pretty shady on your part! Brussel addressed the issue and I responded in kind.

Logic,

I am not going to single out any individual. As I mentioned, just because someone has a disorder doesn't mean I hate them...or is that your POV that if someone is mentally flawed, they are less of a person? See, I don't think like that, all people are great until they prove me wrong, I know that is a hard concept for all of you hate filled people to understand, but try it. Stop thinking someone is a lesser person because they have a mental disorder, or because they disagree with you or because they are a different race or religion! WHERE IS THE LOVE?
     
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Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
I'm afraid you simply have no ****ing clue about how abuse works.

It has NOTHING to do with sexuality, at heart. It is about POWER.

If you go after kids, you are a paedophile.

If you are a male paedophile going after boys, you are a paedophile.

If you are a female paedophile going after boys, you are a paedophile.

Paedophilia has no gender limits.
While everything you wrote is true, I'm not sure that dcolton is unaware of the facts of abuse. Psychiatry teaches us that points of view such as his are often extreme attempts at sheltering one's self from future abuse after already becoming a victim. We pray to the Lord that is not the case here.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
I did? Where? I think you mean I agreed with him.
You should phrase your replies in a way that makes it clear you are in agreement, otherwise it's ambiguous.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:18 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Heterosexuality has no age limits.
Woaw...

If you cannot make a difference between a child and an adult, you become a problem.
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:18 PM
 
Originally posted by doctorkeyser:
While everything yor wrote is true, I'm not sure that dcolton is unaware of the facts of abuse. Psychiatry teaches us that points of view such as his are often extreme attempts at sheltering one's self from future abuse after already becoming a victim. We pray to the Lord that is not the case here.
That would indeed explain his hatred and scapegoating.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:19 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
Sanity,

I asked you to choose one of the articles and I would discuss it with you...but you are avoiding this...why? So you can continually claim that I am not presenting my POV? That is pretty shady on your part! Brussel addressed the issue and I responded in kind.
No, you pick your argument and post YOUR opinion, then await the responses, that's my way of doing things. So since you won't, I'll have to maintain my stance.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:22 PM
 
You might be a redneck if...

Your family tree has no forks.
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:24 PM
 
What do redneck girls say after sex?


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Aug 7, 2004, 08:26 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
So having sexual relations with someone of the same sex isn't necessarily homosexuality? LOL. I get it, you are claiming that gays can't be child molestors because a child molester is in a category all by him or herself...because apparantly gays can do no wrong.
You can't call child molestation "sexual relations." There's no doubt in my mind that gays molest children. But I don't think you can conclusively determine sexual orientation based on sex of the victim. I said above what I'd like to see - what is the offender's sexual orientation in his relationship with adults?
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:27 PM
 
I had to go find some jokes so I can join in.


10 Ways to tell if a Redneck has been working on a Computer

* 10. The monitor is up on blocks.
* 9. Outgoing faxes have tobacco stains on them.
* 8. The six front keys have rotted out.
* 7. The extra RAM ports have truck parts stored in them.
* 6. The numeric keypad only goes up to six.
* 5. The password is "Bubba".
* 4. There's a gun rack mounted on the CPU.
* 3. There's a Coors can in the cup holder(CD-ROM drive).
* 2. The keyboard is camouflaged.


hey Zimphire, don't you use the word, bub'? is that related to bubba?
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:27 PM
 
Originally posted by sanity assassin:
No, you pick your argument and post YOUR opinion, then await the responses, that's my way of doing things. So since you won't, I'll have to maintain my stance.
Okay, I believe that homosexuality is a choice. We can play the gene game...but when it comes down to it...all evidence points to a person choosing to sexually act out for pleasure, to rebel, and to gain acceptance. There are many cases of gays who have learned the err of their ways and returned to heterosexuality. Why is that?

What about bisexuals? Gene? Perversion?

Part 8: Is sexual orientation fixed or changeable?

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For decades, homosexual activists have claimed that their same-sex attractions are inborn, genetic, and unchangeable. Now, transgender activists and their homosexual allies are beginning to claim that sexual orientation is fluid. So, which is it?

A strange thing is occurring within the homosexual movement. In the early years of homosexual activism, homosexuals referred to their same-sex desires as "sexual preferences," but soon rejected this term because it indicated that "choice" might be involved in their deviant sexual behaviors.

The preferred term for decades has been "sexual orientation" because it conveys the impression that being a homosexual is morally neutral, inborn, and unchangeable. In 1979, several homosexual groups worked with federal legislators on passage of a pro-homosexual bill in Congress. They insisted that "… the old term 'affectional or sexual preference,' has been changed to 'affectional or sexual orientation.' The reason for this is that it was felt 'orientation' best expresses the nature of human sexuality, while 'preference' raises the possibility that we believe that sexuality is a matter of choice." (Rueda & Schwartz, Gays, AIDS, and You, The Devin Adair Company, Old Greenwich, CT, 1987, pgs. 70- 71.)
“Sexual orientation is one component of a person’s identity, which is made up of many other components…” NEA/ APA Booklet

The homosexual movement has gained immense political power by claiming that homosexuals are "born gay" and that it is harmful to try to change them. The University of Washington's homosexual lobbying group Gay, Bisexual, Lesbian, Transgender Commission, for example, makes this claim on its web site: "Homosexuality is not a choice any more than being left-handed or having blue eyes or being heterosexual is a choice. It's an orientation, part of who you are. The choice is in deciding how to live your life."

The National Education Association and the American Psychological Association have helped perpetuate the "born gay" myth through its pamphlet, Just The Facts, which was sent to every school superintendent in the country. Just the Facts claims that "Sexual orientation is one component of a person's identity, which is made up of many other components, such as culture, ethnicity, gender, and personality traits."

The author of this NEA/APA pamphlet then goes on to promote homosexuality as normal and attacks any attempts by ministries or psychological groups like the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) from helping individuals become free of same-sex attractions.

Homosexual activists and their allies at the NEA and APA believe that "sexual orientation" is just part of who a person is and that we must not only tolerate but support individuals who have differing sexual desires. Pro-homosexual politicians insist that we must pass special rights laws to protect homosexuals from alleged discrimination. Moreover, those who oppose homosexuality are considered to be suffering from a non-existent mental illness called "homophobia."
“No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. . . Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.” — Camille Paglia

In recent years, however, even homosexual researchers and philosophers are beginning to admit that there is no such thing as a "gay gene" that predisposes homosexuals to engage in sodomy. The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality has published a series of these admissions by homosexual researchers and philosophers in "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science." Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer has stated: "There is not a single master gene that makes people gay … I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay." Simon LeVay, a homosexual researcher and activist studied the differences in the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men. He admits: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work."

Lesbian author and activist Camille Paglia has stated: "Homosexuality is not 'normal.' On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm … Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction … No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous … homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait."

Here Comes The
Sexual Continuum Concept

After decades of claiming that homosexuality is inborn and unchangeable, homosexual activists who are allied with the growing transgender movement are now beginning to assert that sexual orientation is fluid—and that one can become whatever he or she wants to be along a sexual continuum. The sexual continuum concept is not new. Sex researcher Alfred Kinsey invented what is known as the "Kinsey Scale" that places heterosexuality on one end of a sevenpoint scale and homosexuality on the other end. In between are varying degrees of either homosexual or heterosexual behaviors. Bisexuality is in the middle and was considered by Kinsey to be the ideal. Kinsey believed that all sexual behaviors were normal—even bestiality. Kinsey's co-author Wardell Pomeroy, for example, described the possibility that boys could have a loving relationship with farm animals in his 1981 book, Boys and Sex. Some boys, says Pomeroy, "...build a strong emotional attachment to a particular animal … a loving sexual relationship with an animal …"

Kinsey's sexual continuum scale is ideally suited to the transgender movement, which claims that maleness and femaleness are simply social constructions—not genetic realities. Gender- Pac, for example, has created a whole new vocabulary to blur the distinctions between male and female. In its online "Glossary of Terms," GenderPac defines "Gender" as "...the way we perceive things to be masculine or feminine." GenderPac also defines "Gender Expression" as "...things like clothing and behavior that manifests a person's fundamental sense of themselves as masculine or feminine, male or female." It then defines "Gender Identity" as "… an individual's fundamental sense of themselves as masculine or feminine, and male or female."

GenderPac has successfully redefined what it means to be male or female by describing gender as simply a perception or a feeling. Not only is gender relegated to a person's opinion about himself, anyone who disagrees with this view is guilty of "genderphobia."

GenderPac leader Ricki Wilchins, a male-to-female transgender compares "genderphobia" with the non-existent condition called "homophobia" in a press release issued on April 17, 2003. He notes that GenderPac has joined forces with the homosexual group Human Rights Campaign in order to fight for federal laws to protect "gender expression" and "gender identity" in the workplace. According to Wilchins, "...homophobia comes from the same hateful place as genderphobia." Transgenderism is considered a sexual orientation just like homosexuality —and transgender activists are working to gain protected minority status under hate crimes laws and laws ostensibly designed to protect minorities from discrimination.

Do Changing Sexual Behaviors Deserve Legal Protections?

If the new homosexual/transgender view is correct—that sexual orientations are fluid and not fixed, then why should government protect—what in essence are lifestyle choices—not fixed identities? Why should any individuals who engage in freely chosen, unsafe sexual behaviors be given protected status under our nation's anti-discrimination laws?

If sexual orientation is fluid, not fixed, then homosexuality, transgenderism, pedophilia, etc., are all due to freely chosen or compulsive behaviors—not genetics. They do not deserve protected class status because these behaviors are no different than smoking, alcoholism, drug addiction, or other self-destructive behaviors. These behaviors can—and should be—modified or eliminated.

The behavior of homosexuality, for example, is inherently unsafe and frequently leads to serious infections from sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS. Likewise, sadomasochism is inherently abnormal and unsafe. These behaviors need not be protected. Nor, should our culture be overhauled in order to cater to transgenders who "feel" as if they're trapped in an opposite sex body. A person may "feel" he is from another planet—like Rael, the head of the Raelians, a cloning cult, but we should not pass laws based upon a person's distorted view of reality. Transgenderism is the evidence of a disturbed mental condition, not a fixed identity that should be protected in federal law. We cannot allow our culture's future to be determined by individuals who are mentally disturbed—yet that is what is occurring.

Which Sexual Orientation Will Next Achieve Protected Status?

There are literally dozens of groups of individuals who engage in bizarre sexual behaviors and who have mental conditions known as paraphilias or behaviors known as fetishes. These include Coprophagia—individuals who get sexual satisfaction from eating feces; Klismaphilia— individuals who are sexually aroused by enemas; Pederasty—male homosexuals who enjoy having sex with children; Sadomasochism—individuals who derive sexual pleasure from receiving or inflicting pain upon others; Diaper fetishes—adults who get sexual pleasure from wearing diapers and wetting themselves; Necrophilia—individuals who are sexually aroused by viewing or having sex with corpses.

All of these behaviors could be considered to be "sexual orientations"—and many of the individuals who engage in these behaviors are working to have their peculiar sexual behaviors declared to be normal in psychiatry and in the culture at large.

At a symposium sponsored by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) in San Francisco on May 19, 2003, two psychiatrists presented a paper arguing for such deviant sexual behaviors as Pedophilia, Sadomasochism, as well as other Gender Identity Disorders to be removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR). The presenters were Drs. Charles Moser from the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco and Peggy Kleinplatz of the University of Ottawa. Both are involved in an international organization called "ReviseF65 Project," a subsidiary group of the Norwegian National Association for Lesbian and Gay Liberation. This group lobbies national governments to remove Sadomasochism as a mental disorder from psychiatric guidelines.

Sociologists refer to groups of individuals who engage in bizarre sex practices as "deviant subcultures." With the success of homosexuals and transgenders in organizing as pressure groups to normalize what has been considered abnormal behaviors, other groups will feel empowered to do the same. Pedophiles, for example, have found allies in academia who support adult/child sex. In 1999, the University of Minnesota press published Judith Levine's book, Harmful to Minors, which argues that adult/child sex is not necessarily a bad thing. The foreword to her book was penned by former Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders.

In addition, the deviant homosexual subculture has fueled efforts to normalize adult/child sex and to lower the age of sexual consent. Mary Eberstadt's article, "'Pedophilia Chic' Reconsidered," in The Weekly Standard (January 8, 2001) details the close linkage between homosexuals and the pedophile movement. Eberstadt observes that the reason why sex with boys is being openly debated today is because it's driven by "certain parts of the gay rights movement. The more that movement has entered the mainstream, the more this 'question' [of adult/child sex] has bubbled forth from that previously distant realm into the public square."

Pedophilia and Sadomasochism are just two of many sexual orientations that may eventually be normalized in our society. The sad truth is that because of the pervasiveness of the Internet, many sexually confused and mentally disturbed individuals are finding mutual support in forums and chat rooms. They are reinforcing their mental illnesses instead of finding the help they need to overcome these sexual perversions. Author Carl Elliott details this dangerous social trend in "A New Way To Be Mad," published in the December, 2000 issue of The Atlantic Monthly. Elliott describes a bizarre online underworld of individuals who suffer from what is called "Apotemnophilia." These individuals "feel" like they should not have arms or legs. In essence, they wish to have their arms or legs amputated in order to "feel" normal. One amputee said: "My left foot was not part of me." Is Apotemnophilia a "sexual orientation," a paraphilia, or a fetish? Whatever the psychiatric diagnosis, the fact is that this is a serious condition that must be treated, not given societal approval. Yet we may not find much solace in so-called mainstream psychiatry. Fortunately, the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) is providing a voice of sanity in a world that seems to have gone insane. Likewise, Traditional Values Coalition will continue to promote a realistic view of sexuality and expose the dangers that homosexuality, transgenderism, and other deviant sexual subcultures pose to our nation and families.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:28 PM
 
I'd be interested in seeing a link to this information.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:29 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
Okay, I believe that homosexuality is a choice. We can play the gene game...but when it comes down to it...all evidence points to a person choosing to sexually act out for pleasure, to rebel, and to gain acceptance. There are many cases of gays who have learned the err of their ways and returned to heterosexuality. Why is that?

What about bisexuals? Gene? Perversion?
Ok, cool. Give me a couple of days to go over the article, part 8, to digest it and so on, then I'll get back to you.
     
 
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