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Aug 7, 2004, 07:11 PM
 
Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Wow, Zimphire just smackdowned dcolton.

shocking.
I did? Where? I think you mean I agreed with him.
     
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You might be a redneck if...

Your whole family is Democrats 'cept little Mary.
She lernt to readin'.
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:12 PM
 
Originally posted by doctorkeyser:
You might be a redneck if...

Your whole family is Democrats 'cept little Mary.
She lernt to readin'.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:12 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
That's another urban myth.

according to that, there cannot be any such thing as a homosexual pedophile! All of the are heterosexual!

Nonsense. If you are a pedophile and you are male, and you go after little girls you are a heterosexual pedophile.

If you go after boys, you are a homosexual pedophile.

If you don't care, your a bisexual pedophile.

Homosexuality and Heterosexuality has no age limits.
I'm afraid you simply have no ****ing clue about how abuse works.

It has NOTHING to do with sexuality, at heart. It is about POWER.

If you go after kids, you are a paedophile.

If you are a male paedophile going after boys, you are a paedophile.

If you are a female paedophile going after boys, you are a paedophile.

Paedophilia has no gender limits.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:14 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
I read the thread, the only hate filled posts I have been reading have been against dcolton.
You should read his posts some time.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:14 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:

Poor excuse. There have been thousands of posts in here that are just clips of the article and links. No one makes a big fit unless it's something THEY don't want to hear.


So what? I'm making a big deal of this, I don't care about other people and what they do. If someone wants a response to something like this, I want it presented honestly.

No, you are just being a knee-jerker.

I read the thread, the only hate filled posts I have been reading have been against dcolton.
No, you're the knee-jerker by default, it's in your veins. Your knee-knocking responses were idiot filled, troll-like.

I stand by position that he is hate-filled in his words here. Deal with it.

by the way, I seriously dount you can read.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:15 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
So having sexual relations with someone of the same sex isn't necessarily homosexuality? LOL. I get it, you are claiming that gays can't be child molestors because a child molester is in a category all by him or herself...because apparantly gays can do no wrong.
Child molesters are abusing children. Thet are using their authority to manipulate/force children to do actions they are in no way able to understand, let alone putting them in danger of psychological an physical harm, as a consequence of the abuse.

What adults do amongst themselves, excluding children, is different.
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:16 PM
 
Sanity,

I asked you to choose one of the articles and I would discuss it with you...but you are avoiding this...why? So you can continually claim that I am not presenting my POV? That is pretty shady on your part! Brussel addressed the issue and I responded in kind.

Logic,

I am not going to single out any individual. As I mentioned, just because someone has a disorder doesn't mean I hate them...or is that your POV that if someone is mentally flawed, they are less of a person? See, I don't think like that, all people are great until they prove me wrong, I know that is a hard concept for all of you hate filled people to understand, but try it. Stop thinking someone is a lesser person because they have a mental disorder, or because they disagree with you or because they are a different race or religion! WHERE IS THE LOVE?
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:16 PM
 
Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
I'm afraid you simply have no ****ing clue about how abuse works.

It has NOTHING to do with sexuality, at heart. It is about POWER.

If you go after kids, you are a paedophile.

If you are a male paedophile going after boys, you are a paedophile.

If you are a female paedophile going after boys, you are a paedophile.

Paedophilia has no gender limits.
While everything you wrote is true, I'm not sure that dcolton is unaware of the facts of abuse. Psychiatry teaches us that points of view such as his are often extreme attempts at sheltering one's self from future abuse after already becoming a victim. We pray to the Lord that is not the case here.
"More seldom than not, the movies gives us exquisite sex and wholesome violence that underscores our values. Every two child did. I will." -George W. Bush, Two weeks ago at a meeting of the Economic Club of Detroit.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:16 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
I did? Where? I think you mean I agreed with him.
You should phrase your replies in a way that makes it clear you are in agreement, otherwise it's ambiguous.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:18 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Heterosexuality has no age limits.
Woaw...

If you cannot make a difference between a child and an adult, you become a problem.
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:18 PM
 
Originally posted by doctorkeyser:
While everything yor wrote is true, I'm not sure that dcolton is unaware of the facts of abuse. Psychiatry teaches us that points of view such as his are often extreme attempts at sheltering one's self from future abuse after already becoming a victim. We pray to the Lord that is not the case here.
That would indeed explain his hatred and scapegoating.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:19 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
Sanity,

I asked you to choose one of the articles and I would discuss it with you...but you are avoiding this...why? So you can continually claim that I am not presenting my POV? That is pretty shady on your part! Brussel addressed the issue and I responded in kind.
No, you pick your argument and post YOUR opinion, then await the responses, that's my way of doing things. So since you won't, I'll have to maintain my stance.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:22 PM
 
You might be a redneck if...

Your family tree has no forks.
"More seldom than not, the movies gives us exquisite sex and wholesome violence that underscores our values. Every two child did. I will." -George W. Bush, Two weeks ago at a meeting of the Economic Club of Detroit.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:24 PM
 
What do redneck girls say after sex?


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Aug 7, 2004, 07:26 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
So having sexual relations with someone of the same sex isn't necessarily homosexuality? LOL. I get it, you are claiming that gays can't be child molestors because a child molester is in a category all by him or herself...because apparantly gays can do no wrong.
You can't call child molestation "sexual relations." There's no doubt in my mind that gays molest children. But I don't think you can conclusively determine sexual orientation based on sex of the victim. I said above what I'd like to see - what is the offender's sexual orientation in his relationship with adults?
     
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10 Ways to tell if a Redneck has been working on a Computer

* 10. The monitor is up on blocks.
* 9. Outgoing faxes have tobacco stains on them.
* 8. The six front keys have rotted out.
* 7. The extra RAM ports have truck parts stored in them.
* 6. The numeric keypad only goes up to six.
* 5. The password is "Bubba".
* 4. There's a gun rack mounted on the CPU.
* 3. There's a Coors can in the cup holder(CD-ROM drive).
* 2. The keyboard is camouflaged.


hey Zimphire, don't you use the word, bub'? is that related to bubba?
     
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Originally posted by sanity assassin:
No, you pick your argument and post YOUR opinion, then await the responses, that's my way of doing things. So since you won't, I'll have to maintain my stance.
Okay, I believe that homosexuality is a choice. We can play the gene game...but when it comes down to it...all evidence points to a person choosing to sexually act out for pleasure, to rebel, and to gain acceptance. There are many cases of gays who have learned the err of their ways and returned to heterosexuality. Why is that?

What about bisexuals? Gene? Perversion?

Part 8: Is sexual orientation fixed or changeable?

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For decades, homosexual activists have claimed that their same-sex attractions are inborn, genetic, and unchangeable. Now, transgender activists and their homosexual allies are beginning to claim that sexual orientation is fluid. So, which is it?

A strange thing is occurring within the homosexual movement. In the early years of homosexual activism, homosexuals referred to their same-sex desires as "sexual preferences," but soon rejected this term because it indicated that "choice" might be involved in their deviant sexual behaviors.

The preferred term for decades has been "sexual orientation" because it conveys the impression that being a homosexual is morally neutral, inborn, and unchangeable. In 1979, several homosexual groups worked with federal legislators on passage of a pro-homosexual bill in Congress. They insisted that "… the old term 'affectional or sexual preference,' has been changed to 'affectional or sexual orientation.' The reason for this is that it was felt 'orientation' best expresses the nature of human sexuality, while 'preference' raises the possibility that we believe that sexuality is a matter of choice." (Rueda & Schwartz, Gays, AIDS, and You, The Devin Adair Company, Old Greenwich, CT, 1987, pgs. 70- 71.)
“Sexual orientation is one component of a person’s identity, which is made up of many other components…” NEA/ APA Booklet

The homosexual movement has gained immense political power by claiming that homosexuals are "born gay" and that it is harmful to try to change them. The University of Washington's homosexual lobbying group Gay, Bisexual, Lesbian, Transgender Commission, for example, makes this claim on its web site: "Homosexuality is not a choice any more than being left-handed or having blue eyes or being heterosexual is a choice. It's an orientation, part of who you are. The choice is in deciding how to live your life."

The National Education Association and the American Psychological Association have helped perpetuate the "born gay" myth through its pamphlet, Just The Facts, which was sent to every school superintendent in the country. Just the Facts claims that "Sexual orientation is one component of a person's identity, which is made up of many other components, such as culture, ethnicity, gender, and personality traits."

The author of this NEA/APA pamphlet then goes on to promote homosexuality as normal and attacks any attempts by ministries or psychological groups like the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) from helping individuals become free of same-sex attractions.

Homosexual activists and their allies at the NEA and APA believe that "sexual orientation" is just part of who a person is and that we must not only tolerate but support individuals who have differing sexual desires. Pro-homosexual politicians insist that we must pass special rights laws to protect homosexuals from alleged discrimination. Moreover, those who oppose homosexuality are considered to be suffering from a non-existent mental illness called "homophobia."
“No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. . . Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.” — Camille Paglia

In recent years, however, even homosexual researchers and philosophers are beginning to admit that there is no such thing as a "gay gene" that predisposes homosexuals to engage in sodomy. The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality has published a series of these admissions by homosexual researchers and philosophers in "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science." Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer has stated: "There is not a single master gene that makes people gay … I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay." Simon LeVay, a homosexual researcher and activist studied the differences in the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men. He admits: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work."

Lesbian author and activist Camille Paglia has stated: "Homosexuality is not 'normal.' On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm … Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction … No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous … homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait."

Here Comes The
Sexual Continuum Concept

After decades of claiming that homosexuality is inborn and unchangeable, homosexual activists who are allied with the growing transgender movement are now beginning to assert that sexual orientation is fluid—and that one can become whatever he or she wants to be along a sexual continuum. The sexual continuum concept is not new. Sex researcher Alfred Kinsey invented what is known as the "Kinsey Scale" that places heterosexuality on one end of a sevenpoint scale and homosexuality on the other end. In between are varying degrees of either homosexual or heterosexual behaviors. Bisexuality is in the middle and was considered by Kinsey to be the ideal. Kinsey believed that all sexual behaviors were normal—even bestiality. Kinsey's co-author Wardell Pomeroy, for example, described the possibility that boys could have a loving relationship with farm animals in his 1981 book, Boys and Sex. Some boys, says Pomeroy, "...build a strong emotional attachment to a particular animal … a loving sexual relationship with an animal …"

Kinsey's sexual continuum scale is ideally suited to the transgender movement, which claims that maleness and femaleness are simply social constructions—not genetic realities. Gender- Pac, for example, has created a whole new vocabulary to blur the distinctions between male and female. In its online "Glossary of Terms," GenderPac defines "Gender" as "...the way we perceive things to be masculine or feminine." GenderPac also defines "Gender Expression" as "...things like clothing and behavior that manifests a person's fundamental sense of themselves as masculine or feminine, male or female." It then defines "Gender Identity" as "… an individual's fundamental sense of themselves as masculine or feminine, and male or female."

GenderPac has successfully redefined what it means to be male or female by describing gender as simply a perception or a feeling. Not only is gender relegated to a person's opinion about himself, anyone who disagrees with this view is guilty of "genderphobia."

GenderPac leader Ricki Wilchins, a male-to-female transgender compares "genderphobia" with the non-existent condition called "homophobia" in a press release issued on April 17, 2003. He notes that GenderPac has joined forces with the homosexual group Human Rights Campaign in order to fight for federal laws to protect "gender expression" and "gender identity" in the workplace. According to Wilchins, "...homophobia comes from the same hateful place as genderphobia." Transgenderism is considered a sexual orientation just like homosexuality —and transgender activists are working to gain protected minority status under hate crimes laws and laws ostensibly designed to protect minorities from discrimination.

Do Changing Sexual Behaviors Deserve Legal Protections?

If the new homosexual/transgender view is correct—that sexual orientations are fluid and not fixed, then why should government protect—what in essence are lifestyle choices—not fixed identities? Why should any individuals who engage in freely chosen, unsafe sexual behaviors be given protected status under our nation's anti-discrimination laws?

If sexual orientation is fluid, not fixed, then homosexuality, transgenderism, pedophilia, etc., are all due to freely chosen or compulsive behaviors—not genetics. They do not deserve protected class status because these behaviors are no different than smoking, alcoholism, drug addiction, or other self-destructive behaviors. These behaviors can—and should be—modified or eliminated.

The behavior of homosexuality, for example, is inherently unsafe and frequently leads to serious infections from sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS. Likewise, sadomasochism is inherently abnormal and unsafe. These behaviors need not be protected. Nor, should our culture be overhauled in order to cater to transgenders who "feel" as if they're trapped in an opposite sex body. A person may "feel" he is from another planet—like Rael, the head of the Raelians, a cloning cult, but we should not pass laws based upon a person's distorted view of reality. Transgenderism is the evidence of a disturbed mental condition, not a fixed identity that should be protected in federal law. We cannot allow our culture's future to be determined by individuals who are mentally disturbed—yet that is what is occurring.

Which Sexual Orientation Will Next Achieve Protected Status?

There are literally dozens of groups of individuals who engage in bizarre sexual behaviors and who have mental conditions known as paraphilias or behaviors known as fetishes. These include Coprophagia—individuals who get sexual satisfaction from eating feces; Klismaphilia— individuals who are sexually aroused by enemas; Pederasty—male homosexuals who enjoy having sex with children; Sadomasochism—individuals who derive sexual pleasure from receiving or inflicting pain upon others; Diaper fetishes—adults who get sexual pleasure from wearing diapers and wetting themselves; Necrophilia—individuals who are sexually aroused by viewing or having sex with corpses.

All of these behaviors could be considered to be "sexual orientations"—and many of the individuals who engage in these behaviors are working to have their peculiar sexual behaviors declared to be normal in psychiatry and in the culture at large.

At a symposium sponsored by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) in San Francisco on May 19, 2003, two psychiatrists presented a paper arguing for such deviant sexual behaviors as Pedophilia, Sadomasochism, as well as other Gender Identity Disorders to be removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR). The presenters were Drs. Charles Moser from the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco and Peggy Kleinplatz of the University of Ottawa. Both are involved in an international organization called "ReviseF65 Project," a subsidiary group of the Norwegian National Association for Lesbian and Gay Liberation. This group lobbies national governments to remove Sadomasochism as a mental disorder from psychiatric guidelines.

Sociologists refer to groups of individuals who engage in bizarre sex practices as "deviant subcultures." With the success of homosexuals and transgenders in organizing as pressure groups to normalize what has been considered abnormal behaviors, other groups will feel empowered to do the same. Pedophiles, for example, have found allies in academia who support adult/child sex. In 1999, the University of Minnesota press published Judith Levine's book, Harmful to Minors, which argues that adult/child sex is not necessarily a bad thing. The foreword to her book was penned by former Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders.

In addition, the deviant homosexual subculture has fueled efforts to normalize adult/child sex and to lower the age of sexual consent. Mary Eberstadt's article, "'Pedophilia Chic' Reconsidered," in The Weekly Standard (January 8, 2001) details the close linkage between homosexuals and the pedophile movement. Eberstadt observes that the reason why sex with boys is being openly debated today is because it's driven by "certain parts of the gay rights movement. The more that movement has entered the mainstream, the more this 'question' [of adult/child sex] has bubbled forth from that previously distant realm into the public square."

Pedophilia and Sadomasochism are just two of many sexual orientations that may eventually be normalized in our society. The sad truth is that because of the pervasiveness of the Internet, many sexually confused and mentally disturbed individuals are finding mutual support in forums and chat rooms. They are reinforcing their mental illnesses instead of finding the help they need to overcome these sexual perversions. Author Carl Elliott details this dangerous social trend in "A New Way To Be Mad," published in the December, 2000 issue of The Atlantic Monthly. Elliott describes a bizarre online underworld of individuals who suffer from what is called "Apotemnophilia." These individuals "feel" like they should not have arms or legs. In essence, they wish to have their arms or legs amputated in order to "feel" normal. One amputee said: "My left foot was not part of me." Is Apotemnophilia a "sexual orientation," a paraphilia, or a fetish? Whatever the psychiatric diagnosis, the fact is that this is a serious condition that must be treated, not given societal approval. Yet we may not find much solace in so-called mainstream psychiatry. Fortunately, the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) is providing a voice of sanity in a world that seems to have gone insane. Likewise, Traditional Values Coalition will continue to promote a realistic view of sexuality and expose the dangers that homosexuality, transgenderism, and other deviant sexual subcultures pose to our nation and families.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:28 PM
 
I'd be interested in seeing a link to this information.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:29 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
Okay, I believe that homosexuality is a choice. We can play the gene game...but when it comes down to it...all evidence points to a person choosing to sexually act out for pleasure, to rebel, and to gain acceptance. There are many cases of gays who have learned the err of their ways and returned to heterosexuality. Why is that?

What about bisexuals? Gene? Perversion?
Ok, cool. Give me a couple of days to go over the article, part 8, to digest it and so on, then I'll get back to you.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:30 PM
 
Originally posted by BRussell:
You can't call child molestation "sexual relations." There's no doubt in my mind that gays molest children. But I don't think you can determine sexual orientation based on sex of the victim. I said above what I'd like to see - what is the offender's sexual orientation in his relationship with adults?
Why would a str8 man rape a boy? Why would a gay man rape a girl? Some people were talking about how molesters use their authority to rape children. Perhaps a gay male, who is in the closet abuses boys so he can remain in the closet.

Are child molesters a protected class. Is their perversion genetic like the claim that gays have a special gene? Or is it simply perversion? Answer that please
     
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Logic,

I am not going to single out any individual. As I mentioned, just because someone has a disorder doesn't mean I hate them...or is that your POV that if someone is mentally flawed, they are less of a person? See, I don't think like that, all people are great until they prove me wrong, I know that is a hard concept for all of you hate filled people to understand, but try it. Stop thinking someone is a lesser person because they have a mental disorder, or because they disagree with you or because they are a different race or religion! WHERE IS THE LOVE?
Where did I say I think people with a mental disorder were "less of a person"? I asked you a simple question that would only require a yes or no for an answer. But you've constantly ducked the question. But so that you can answer it I'll rephrase it.

Do you think that homosexuality is a mental disorder?


and for the pedophilia. Those who think that pedophilia has anything to do with heterosexuality or homosexuality lack the basic understanding of what pedophilia is. Pedophilia by definition is the sexual preference of pre-pubescent children. That is all it is and pedophiliacs don't care if it's a boy or a girl since a child that is "interesting" to a pedophiliac lacks all adult sexual treats and it is for that reason a pedophiliac prefers the child compared to an adult.

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Originally posted by BRussell:
I'd be interested in seeing a link to this information.
When I am done with the series. I am suprised you guys let it go this long without asking for a link. I am withholding it so the FACTS are discussed and not the source.

Then again, it seems as if most people can't respond to the articles anyway...they just want to attack.
     
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You've never seen me post in any of these gay threads that pop up from time to time here, because it simply doesn't interest me much, but a male pedophile who goes after small boys is indeed gay and a pedophile, that is fairly obvious. You like the same sex, you're gay, you like the opposite sex, you're heterosexual, you like both sexes, you're bi, you like children of the same sex, you're a gay pedophile, you like children of the opposite sex, you're a heterosexual pedophile, you like children of both sexes, you're a bi-pedophile.

That's the way I see it.
     
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Originally posted by dcolton:

Then again, it seems as if most people can't respond to the articles anyway...they just want to attack.
Don't worry about it, it's saturday night, most of us are snorting lines of coke as we post.
     
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Originally posted by PacHead:
That's the way I see it.
And unfortunately for you that's wrong.

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Originally posted by Logic:
And unfortunately for you that's wrong.
Unfortunately for you, you haven't proven a single thing, so I'll continue to believe my version.
     
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Iceland Boy:

Depends how you want to define mental disorder. I definately think that two guys licking each others balls and engaging in anal sex is quite perverted. I think they can be helped not only by the mental health industry, but they can be helped by family and friends, church, and a chasity belt
     
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Gotta go and live a life for a while. Here is another great article in the series:

Part 9: Do Gays Really Want the Right to Marry?

n their own words: Homosexual activists reveal their real agenda.

Homosexuals claim they want the "right" to get married and live normal lives just like heterosexual married couples.

The truth is, however, that the drive to gain legalization of so-called "gay" or "same-sex" marriage is part of a larger sexual agenda. Homosexual activists are now beginning to openly admit that they don't want to marry just to have a normal home life. They want same-sex marriage as a way of destroying the concept of marriage altogether-and of introducing polygamy and polyamory (group sex) as "families."

They are finally admitting what the Traditional Values Coalition (TVC) has been saying for years: Their ultimate goal is to abolish all prohibitions against sex with multiple partners.

WHAT ARE THEY SAYING? ...

* Chris Crain, the editor of the Washington Blade has stated that all homosexual activists should fight for the legalization of same-sex marriage as a way of gaining passage of federal anti-discrimination laws that will provide homosexuals with federal protection for their chosen lifestyle.

Crain writes: "...any leader of any gay rights organization who is not prepared to throw the bulk of their efforts right now into the fight for marriage is squandering resources and doesn't deserve the position." (Washington Blade, August, 2003).

* Michelangelo Signorile, writing in Out! magazine, has stated that homosexuals should, "...fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely … To debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution. … The most subversive action lesbians and gays can undertake-and one that would perhaps benefit all of society-is to transform the notion of 'family' altogether." (Out! magazine, Dec./Jan., 1994)

* Andrew Sullivan, a homosexual activist writing in his book, Virtually Normal, says that once same-sex marriage is legalized, heterosexuals will have to develop a greater "understanding of the need for extramarital outlets between two men than between a man and a woman." He notes: "The truth is, homosexuals are not entirely normal; and to flatten their varied and complicated lives into a single, moralistic model is to miss what is essential and exhilarating about their otherness." (Sullivan, Virtually Normal, pp. 202-203)

* Paula Ettelbrick, a law professor and homosexual activist has said: "Being queer is more than setting up house, sleeping with a person of the same gender, and seeking state approval for doing so. … Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex, sexuality, and family; and in the process, transforming the very fabric of society. … We must keep our eyes on the goals of providing true alternatives to marriage and of radically reordering society's view of reality." (partially quoted in "Beyond Gay Marriage," Stanley Kurtz, The Weekly Standard, August 4, 2003)

* Evan Wolfson has stated: "Isn't having the law pretend that there is only one family model that works (let alone exists) a lie? … marriage is not just about procreation-indeed is not necessarily about procreation at all. "(quoted in "What Marriage Is For," by Maggie Gallagher, The Weekly Standard, August 11, 2003)

* Mitchel Raphael, editor of the Canadian homosexual magazine Fab, says: "Ambiguity is a good word for the feeling among gays about marriage. I'd be for marriage if I thought gay people would challenge and change the institution and not buy into the traditional meaning of 'till death do us part' and monogamy forever. We should be Oscar Wildes and not like everyone else watching the play." (quoted in "Now Free To Marry, Canada's Gays Say, 'Do I?'" by Clifford Krauss, The New York Times, August 31, 2003)

* 1972 Gay Rights Platform Demands: "Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit…" [Emphasis added.]
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:44 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
Iceland Boy:

Depends how you want to define mental disorder. I definately think that two guys licking each others balls and engaging in anal sex is quite perverted. I think they can be helped not only by the mental health industry, but they can be helped by family and friends, church, and a chasity belt
Awfully specific there, Hoss. Should this be construed as an admission of first-hand knowledge?
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:44 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
Why would a str8 man rape a boy? Why would a gay man rape a girl? Some people were talking about how molesters use their authority to rape children. Perhaps a gay male, who is in the closet abuses boys so he can remain in the closet.
A straight man might rape a boy because he's a child-abusing piece of ****. It's not as if a little girl has really developed sexually anyway, so what does it matter.
Are child molesters a protected class. Is their perversion genetic like the claim that gays have a special gene? Or is it simply perversion? Answer that please
It wouldn't surprise me at all if there is some genetic basis for it, because, IMO, there is a genetic basis to virtually everything about people. But perversion and genetic are not necessarily mutually exclusive. In any case, child molestation is against the law, genetic basis or not.

PS, I found your link. I won't divulge your secret if you don't want me to. But I want you to remember to vote for Godly candidates in November!
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:45 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
Iceland Boy:

Depends how you want to define mental disorder. I definately think that two guys licking each others balls and engaging in anal sex is quite perverted. I think they can be helped not only by the mental health industry, but they can be helped by family and friends, church, and a chasity belt
I didn't ask if you think they are perverted. I don't care what your sexual preferences are. I asked you if you think it's a mental disorder.

Here's a definition for you:

Clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual and is associated with present distress or disability or with significantly increased risk of suffering death, pain, disability or an important loss of freedom.

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Aug 7, 2004, 07:47 PM
 
Originally posted by dcolton:
When I am done with the series. I am suprised you guys let it go this long without asking for a link. I am withholding it so the FACTS are discussed and not the source.

Then again, it seems as if most people can't respond to the articles anyway...they just want to attack.
Right, because we all believe in the objectivity of a source that calls anyone who agrees that homosexuality isn't the sign of the devil - Homosexual Activists. Keep calling it FACT all you want. Just because you found a webpage to back up your raging homophobia (trust me, if anyone on this board fits the description of that definition, it's you), doesn't mean we have to accept it as the end all on the subject.

Besides, we could throw articles at each other all day, it won't make a lick of difference. You'll assert that they're from 'Homosexual Activists' and have already been infected by...whatever. It's not as if you will change your mind. Or as if you honestly want to debate the issues. Your mind has obviously been set in stone long ago. You're not open to honest debate. This is why most people aren't responding to you. It's just a trap so you and Zimphire (acting the lapdog here) can harp on them to answer 10 pages of copy/pasted text. No one will put that much effort into it because A) it's from an obviously biased source B) few have that much time and C) it wouldn't be worth it.

Why don't you shove this information in front of one of your homosexual friends? See what they think of you after that. It's your duty to 'change' them, isn't it? If their personal activities bother you so much, it's gotta be eating away at you to see them continue their immoral behavior day after day. Because, after all, they are only doing it for physical pleasure. Because, as you insinuate, no homosexual ever really loves another. They're just in it for the sex, the fashion, and the destruction of our societal fabric. Right.
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:53 PM
 
Originally posted by Sock Puppet Theater:
Right, because we all believe in the objectivity of a source that calls anyone who agrees that homosexuality isn't the sign of the devil - Homosexual Activists. Keep calling it FACT all you want. Just because you found a webpage to back up your raging homophobia (trust me, if anyone on this board fits the description of that definition, it's you), doesn't mean we have to accept it as the end all on the subject.

Besides, we could throw articles at each other all day, it won't make a lick of difference. You'll assert that they're from 'Homosexual Activists' and have already been infected by...whatever. It's not as if you will change your mind. Or as if you honestly want to debate the issues. Your mind has obviously been set in stone long ago. You're not open to honest debate. This is why most people aren't responding to you. It's just a trap so you and Zimphire (acting the lapdog here) can harp on them to answer 10 pages of copy/pasted text. No one will put that much effort into it because A) it's from an obviously biased source B) few have that much time and C) it wouldn't be worth it.

Why don't you shove this information in front of one of your homosexual friends? See what they think of you after that. It's your duty to 'change' them, isn't it? If there personal activities bother you so much, it's gotta be eating away at you to see them continue their immoral behavior day after day. Because, after all, they are only doing it for physical pleasure. Because, as you insinuate, no homosexual ever really loves another. They're just in it for the sex, the fashion, and the destruction of our societal fabric. Right.
I reiterate the question, dcolton: why have you not tried to convert your homosexual friends by now, since you know all about the "appropriate help?"

We all know that you don't have any homosexual "friends", and that you just said you did to hide your bigotry a little bit, but since you insist you have these "friends," don't you care about them enough to give them help? Do us a favor. Conduct you own little study of how to save the Evil Gays, and please video tape it when you confront your "friends" with your helpful information. A lot of people here would pay to see that.
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Aug 7, 2004, 07:55 PM
 
Originally posted by Logic:
And unfortunately for you that's wrong.
Logic - How can you defend palestinian killers and homosexuals at the same time ? The two don't mix well.

Here's a link I found just in your honor.

Being a homosexual in the palestinian areas is pretty much a death sentence. That's why they'd rather be in Israel.

http://davidmorrison.typepad.com/sed...lestinian.html

     
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Originally posted by doctorkeyser:
A lot of people here would pay to see that.
How much. I can make a michael moore type documentary if you would like. (Truth would be the only difference.)
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:11 PM
 
Originally posted by PacHead:
Logic - How can you defend palestinian killers and homosexuals at the same time ? The two don't mix well.

Here's a link I found just in your honor.

Being a homosexual in the palestinian areas is pretty much a death sentence. That's why they'd rather be in Israel.

http://davidmorrison.typepad.com/sed...lestinian.html

You're assuming that we all think like you, that Palestinians who kill are somehow indefencable. I don't, I thikn most of them have the right to knock the cr@p out of those who destroy their homes.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:25 PM
 
Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
I'm afraid you simply have no ****ing clue about how abuse works.

It has NOTHING to do with sexuality, at heart. It is about POWER.

If you go after kids, you are a paedophile.

If you are a male paedophile going after boys, you are a paedophile.

If you are a female paedophile going after boys, you are a paedophile.

Paedophilia has no gender limits.
And some people are just attractive to younger people. I know how abuse works.

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
You should read his posts some time.
I read them all the time.
Originally posted by sanity assassin:
So what? I'm making a big deal of this, I don't care about other people and what they do. If someone wants a response to something like this, I want it presented honestly.

dcolton isn't being dishonest.
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No, you're the knee-jerker by default, it's in your veins. Your knee-knocking responses were idiot filled, troll-like.

Now you know how you guys looked. I was just copying you.

I stand by position that he is hate-filled in his words here. Deal with it.

You can stand by that there are little green men in peanut butter. And it will be about as truthful.

by the way, I seriously dount you can read.
You seriously dount that eh.

Stop knee jerking.
     
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Aug 7, 2004, 08:26 PM
 
Originally posted by sanity assassin:
You should phrase your replies in a way that makes it clear you are in agreement, otherwise it's ambiguous.
You should read the post instead of knee-jerking first.

If one had read it, it would be obvious that I was agreeing with him.
     
 
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