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PacHead · Aug 10, 2004, 01:48 PM

Those fascist, religious zealots and terrorist supporters in Iran have now defied the IAEA and broken the seals off of the centrifgues inorder to pursue their nuclear dreams. Everybody knows (except for fellow Jihadists and Terror apologists) that Iran, with it's massive oil and gas reserves has zero use for extra electricity. The reason for their Nuke reactors is of course to make bombs.

Everybody knows what happened to Iraq's reactor a couple of decades ago, and I predict that Iran's reactor will meet a similiar fate.

Crazy, fanatical terrorists can never ever be trusted with nukes. If they ever get close, just bomb 'em.

A pre-emptive strike can be avoided, at least temporarily, if the U.N. agrees to apply meaningful sanctions. If not, Iran may become the second member of the Axis of Evil to learn the folly of its arrogance.

http://washingtontimes.com/commentar...1648-8042r.htm

CreepingDeth · Aug 10, 2004, 02:18 PM

YES YES YES YES!
Iran needs an ass kicking. I think their ******** is pretty transparent, if you ask me.

gumby5647 · Aug 11, 2004, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by PacHead:

If not, Iran may become the second member of the Axis of Evil to learn the folly of its arrogance.

http://washingtontimes.com/commentar...1648-8042r.htm [/B]

Count on it....

and add Saudi Arabia to that list as well. Both are so wishy-wash on issues...."yes yes we are friends with America!!! (only when we want to be and best suits us)

Axo1ot1 · 01:29 AM

The younger generation in Iran really wants to unseat the theocracy there. They want a western democracy really bad. That's a great situation. The best way to turn the people of Iran against liberalizing their government and towards radical Islam is by being aggressive with them. These people have the will to change and the smarts to make it happen. They just need resources and encouragement. Dropping bombs and invading at the expense of the American taxpayer is the last thing we want.

Edit: Oh and the paper you are citing is the policy machine that Sun Myung Moon loses $20,000 a-year to keep pumping out fact-free swill every day.

CreepingDeth · Aug 11, 2004, 01:24 AM

Now how long do you think that will take?

Axo1ot1 · Aug 11, 2004, 01:31 AM

Longer than a military engagement, but it won't leave a failed state/terrorist breeding ground at the other end of the equation. Oh and it's practically free compared to waging a war on the scale that would be necessary. (remember our record setting deficit? I do.)

dialo · Aug 11, 2004, 01:39 AM

Yeah, but any of you that pretend to support the military better wtfu and realize that we aren't ready for a war with Iran and won't be for the foreseeable future.

The best thing to do, prepared military or not, would be to assist the pro-democracy movements within the country, as should be totally crystal clear to anyone.

CreepingDeth · Aug 11, 2004, 01:41 AM

I do support the military, unlike some spoiled brats on this board.
If Iran makes any threats in the area, don't expect quiet revolt to get rid of that.

MindFad · Aug 11, 2004, 01:47 AM

Who doesn't support the troops/military?

CreepingDeth · Aug 11, 2004, 01:50 AM

Anyone with enough time to go to a massive protest, especially in the Communist slum of San Fransisco. Anyone who calls the military stupid grunts or brutes, etc.

Axo1ot1 · Aug 11, 2004, 01:52 AM

hahaha

oh this devil's advocate stuff is delicious.

MindFad · Aug 11, 2004, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
hahaha

oh this devil's advocate stuff is delicious.

You got it.

Axo1ot1 · Aug 11, 2004, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by MindFad:
You got it.

yeah, but he'll stay in-character 'till the cows come home

dialo · Aug 11, 2004, 02:04 AM

Views like the ones expressed in this thread are exactly what's wrong with some people in the US thinking they can just decide what's right for the rest of the world. It's an embarrassment to the two chief foundations of this country (democracy and capitalism) that we have people running around thinking they know what's right without even bothering to learn the fundamentals, much less the important details, such as what actually goes on in the world around them.

CreepingDeth · Aug 11, 2004, 02:11 AM

Did I st-t-tutter?

If Iran makes any threats in the area, don't expect quiet revolt to get rid of that.

Axo1ot1 · Aug 11, 2004, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by dialo:
Views like the ones expressed in this thread are exactly what's wrong with some people in the US thinking they can just decide what's right for the rest of the world. It's an embarrassment to the two chief foundations of this country (democracy and capitalism) that we have people running around thinking they know what's right without even bothering to learn the fundamentals, much less the important details, such as what actually goes on in the world around them.

I'm not saying Iran is going to have a revolution resulting in a U.S.-modeled republic, but the younger generation there really does hate the fundamentalist regime under-which they live. They probably hate America's foreign-policy too (not that anyone could blame them), but they want to liberalize. If we try to make them do it in our way it will backfire. You can't just do that, and we're quickly learning that in Iraq. What I'm saying is that they will democratize somewhat, and they want to, but forcing it externally is a bad move.

dialo · Aug 11, 2004, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Did I st-t-tutter?

No, you just said something that shows you have never studied the global history of revolutions, uprisings and democratic movements. Pretty sad for someone that claims to be pro-democracy. In fact, the views you express are far, far more in line with authoritarian models.

dialo · Aug 11, 2004, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
I'm not saying Iran is going to have a revolution resulting in a U.S.-modeled republic, but the younger generation there really does hate the fundamentalist regime under-which they live. They probably hate America's foreign-policy too (not that anyone could blame them), but they want to liberalize. If we try to make them do it in our way it will backfire. You can't just do that, and we're quickly learning that in Iraq. What I'm saying is that they will democratize somewhat, and they want to, but forcing it externally is a bad move.

I totally agree with everything here and can't see how anyone couldn't.

Personally, I think anyone who can't explain why Mexico was stable for 70 years or can't explain the basic problems of Brazil is automatically disqualified from promoting military action against Iran or any other country.