[pman68]

Saw this quote on Howard Stern :

“Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a facist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.”

— Herman Goering (Head of the Luftwaffe) speaking
at the Nuremberg trails after WWII

[DeathToWindows]

The sheep will follow the idiot with the big stick... or the minister of fear.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by pman68:
Saw this quote on Howard Stern :

“Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a facist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.”

— Herman Goering (Head of the Luftwaffe) speaking
at the Nuremberg trails after WWII

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by pman68:
Saw this quote on Howard Stern :

“Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a facist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.”

— Herman Goering (Head of the Luftwaffe) speaking
at the Nuremberg trails after WWII

Hm, I could have sworn we were attacked on 9-11. Maybe I'm getting old...

[Spliffdaddy]

*SMACKDOWN*

[Powerbook]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Hm, I could have sworn we were attacked on 9-11. Maybe I'm getting old...

How many Iraqi divisions were marching through NY? Couldn't count them, you know.


PB.

[pman68]

Originally posted by Powerbook:
How many Iraqi divisions were marching through NY? Couldn't count them, you know.


PB.

Exactly! We were attacked by Al-Qaeda NOT Iraq. We should be focusing on hunting them down. One by one. Starting with Bin Laden.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by Powerbook:
How many Iraqi divisions were marching through NY? Couldn't count them, you know.

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by Powerbook:
How many Iraqi divisions were marching through NY? Couldn't count them, you know.


PB.

Oh crap, sorry — I forgot we aren't supposed to be proactive in this day and age. How silly of me!

Maury

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Powerbook:
How many Iraqi divisions were marching through NY? Couldn't count them, you know.


PB.

*SMACKDOWN*

[chris v]

Oh, screw it, I'll go there.

"If war is forced upon us..." -Hitler.

"If war is forced upon us..." -George W. Bush.

Just something I noticed, is all.

[pman68]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Oh crap, sorry — I forgot we aren't supposed to be proactive in this day and age. How silly of me!

Maury

Why aren't we pro-active against North Korea?

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by chris v:
Oh, screw it, I'll go there.

"If war is forced upon us..." -Hitler.

"If war is forced upon us..." -George W. Bush.

Just something I noticed, is all.

"Man, I have to take a sh!t..." - Stalin

"Man, I have to take a sh!t..." - John Kerry

OMG!!!

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by pman68:
Why aren't we pro-active against North Korea?

When they already have teh nukes, it's harder to be proactive against them... at least that's what 200M Japanese keep saying.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Oh crap, sorry — I forgot we aren't supposed to be proactive in this day and age. How silly of me!

you mean "proactive" like the wehrmacht when they blitzkrieged poland's a55?

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
you mean "proactive" like the wehrmacht when they blitzkrieged poland's a55?

Or Clinton in Serbia?

[chris v]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
"Man, I have to take a sh!t..." - Stalin

"Man, I have to take a sh!t..." - John Kerry

OMG!!!

I LOLed.

But if Kerry ever says that in a SOTU, I'll call him on it.

CV

[chris v]

But which is it? Were we forced into war, or did we go by choice? Or did we choose to go to war because we were forced to? My head hurts.

CV

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by chris v:
I LOLed.

But if Kerry ever says thgat in a SOTU, I'll call him on it.

CV

He'll say it, but you'll have to listen closely... he'll no doubt only say it to the SS agent.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Or Clinton in Serbia?

hmmm...i can't really remember what neighboring countries iraq was attacking when the us invaded the second time around...?

[Troll]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Oh crap, sorry — I forgot we aren't supposed to be proactive in this day and age. How silly of me!

Maury

Great idea. Why don't you be proactive and nuke the whole planet ... just in case sometime in the future one of the other sovereign-ish countries out there gets to thinking about programmes for the study of techniques for developing WMD (or what was it Bush finally accused Iraq of?).

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
hmmm...i can't really remember what neighboring countries iraq was attacking when the us invaded the second time around...?

Saddam was too busy torturing his own citizens to death. Lots to keep him busy, I'm sure.

[sanity assassin]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Oh crap, sorry — I forgot we aren't supposed to be proactive in this day and age. How silly of me!

Maury

So you've shifted position from retaliation (9/11)to being 'pro-active' (invading Iraq). LMAO. ~Tell me, what's it like standing on shifting sands to back up your arguments?

Oh, as to 9/11, I'm sure some in the Muslim world think the first strike was done by the US against Muslim nations, or Muslim groups, long before 9/11.

Lebanon
Israel
Iraq
Sudan
Iran
Bosnia
etc, etc.

First strike isn't always a plane flying into a building, but I can think of many reasons why Muslims would do that, just look at the hypocritical US policy towards Israel.

I'm sure if I was a Muslim, I'd have plenty of reasons for wanting to stand up against an entity I see as interfering in my world.

[sanity assassin]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Saddam was too busy torturing his own citizens to death. Lots to keep him busy, I'm sure.

Yeah, damn those US funded chemical weapons, and WMDs supplied by the West. It was ok to do it cause, you know, he was the enemy of Iran. But shucks, soon as that Saddam dared to stand up for his rights as to Kuwait blocking his oil pipelines into the Gulf, bang, big old Bush came smashing in. Easy target since the Iran threat was minimal.

How does that work? More powerful nations can unilaterally act on threats to their national security, but lesser ones can't?

Fcuk morality, it's self-serving crap.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Yeah, damn those US funded chemical weapons, and WMDs supplied by the West. It was ok to do it cause, you know, he was the enemy of Iran. But shucks, soon as that Saddam dared to stand up for his rights as to Kuwait blocking his oil pipelines into the Gulf, bang, big old Bush came smashing in. Easy target since the Iran threat was minimal.

How does that work? More powerful nations can unilaterally act on threats to their national security, but lesser ones can't?

Fcuk morality, it's self-serving crap.

No, he mostly just used simple means for the torture: rape, dismemberment, electro-shock, etc. to slaughter close to 100K of his own people per year. Now, commiting this genocide against his people would be considered what kind of "self-defense"?

[Dr.HermanG.]

Originally posted by Powerbook:
How many Iraqi divisions were marching through NY? Couldn't count them, you know.


PB.

How many German or Japanese divisions marched through NY?

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Dr.HermanG.:
How many German or Japanese divisions marched through NY?

Only during holidays, with the floats and bands.

[PacHead]

We locked up certain Japanese and Germans back then also. The policy today is outrageous.

[mo]

Originally posted by PacHead:
We locked up certain Japanese and Germans back then also. The policy today is outrageous.

Why do you want to lock up the Japanese and Germans?

(We apologized for locking up American citizens of Japanese descent, by the way.)

[PacHead]

Originally posted by mo:
Why do you want to lock up the Japanese and Germans?

(We apologized for locking up American citizens of Japanese descent, by the way.)

I don't want to lock up any Japanese or Germans. I was referring more to the stupid, self defeating, no-profiling policy that is in place today.

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by sanity assassin:
So you've shifted position from retaliation (9/11)to being 'pro-active' (invading Iraq). LMAO. ~Tell me, what's it like standing on shifting sands to back up your arguments?

Oh, as to 9/11, I'm sure some in the Muslim world think the first strike was done by the US against Muslim nations, or Muslim groups, long before 9/11.

Lebanon
Israel
Iraq
Sudan
Iran
Bosnia
etc, etc.

First strike isn't always a plane flying into a building, but I can think of many reasons why Muslims would do that, just look at the hypocritical US policy towards Israel.

I'm sure if I was a Muslim, I'd have plenty of reasons for wanting to stand up against an entity I see as interfering in my world.

Dude, what are you talking about? I haven't shifted on anything -- I think you have me confused with someone else. I think we should have retaliated for 9/11 and I think we should have gotten rid of Saddam. Simple. No shify sandies there, bub.

Maury

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by Troll:
Great idea. Why don't you be proactive and nuke the whole planet ... just in case sometime in the future one of the other sovereign-ish countries out there gets to thinking about programmes for the study of techniques for developing WMD (or what was it Bush finally accused Iraq of?).

No, not nukes -- I'm a fan of napalm and mass carpet bombing.

Maury

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Saddam was too busy torturing his own citizens to death. Lots to keep him busy, I'm sure.

heh. i knew you would bring that up. the reason "de jour" for the invasion, since wmds could not be found.

all i've gotta say is the same was going on in north korea, china, a slew of african countries, turkey etc.

...you know the routine.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
heh. i knew you would bring that up. the reason "de jour" for the invasion, since wmds could not be found.

all i've gotta say is the same was going on in north korea, china, a slew of african countries, turkey etc.

...you know the routine.

They can take a number and wait their turn.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
They can take a number and wait their turn.

i guess they gotta wait a little longer...i heard iran is on top of the short-list of the neonazicon agenda.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
They can take a number and wait their turn.

I dont know if I should laugh or not...

[Spliffdaddy]

So how do you expect those nations to be fixed?

Should we wait on Iceland to handle it?

Or just ignore it all and hope it goes away?

Please explain your solution to this dilemma.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:

So how do you expect those nations to be fixed?

By allowing them to fall into anarchy.


Should we wait on Iceland to handle it?

I was thinking more along the lines of Canada or Mexico. Maybe France can fix them?

Or just ignore it all and hope it goes away?

Good idea! See #1.

Please explain your solution to this dilemma.

My solution is to do what we are doing. Throughout history, hasn't rule always been by the strong? We control the economy, have the largest/best military, etc. I say let us fight them all and the last people standing win.

[Spliffdaddy]

hellyeah!

The south *is* gonna rise again.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
hellyeah!

The south *is* gonna rise again.

Just leave out the slavery of a certain kind of people. Why not just make them all of the people we take over whether white, black, red, purple, green, blue, yellow, rainbow, etc...

[chris v]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
So how do you expect those nations to be fixed?

Should we wait on Iceland to handle it?

Or just ignore it all and hope it goes away?

Please explain your solution to this dilemma.

Invade.

Invade Iceland.

Invade, then ignore.

Invade.

The only solution.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
i guess they gotta wait a little longer...i heard iran is on top of the short-list of the neonazicon agenda.

Unless the limpdikliberals have their way.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by chris v:
Invade.

Invade Iceland.

Invade, then ignore.

Invade.

The only solution.

Iceland's fine, let's start with France.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Unless the limpdikliberals have their way.

pff. yeah, i'm sure the "south" isn't the only thing you guys are hoping for to "rise" again.

btw, iran has the potential to become one of the first real working democracies in the midlle east. that is, of course, unless the us invades and messes everything up to install a puppet govt.

[djohnson]

Ya'll know that Iran is one of the most Westernized arab countries and most of the people love the US right? If we invade, I am guessing the people will be cheering us in the streets.

[chris v]

Originally posted by djohnson:
Ya'll know that Iran is one of the most Westernized arab countries and most of the people love the US right? If we invade, I am guessing the people will be cheering us in the streets.

Seems I've heard that somewhere before...

[djohnson]

Originally posted by chris v:
Seems I've heard that somewhere before...

Probably on the History channel.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by djohnson:
If we invade, I am guessing the people will be cheering us in the streets.

i'm guessing the people will be cheering by giving you the "middle finger" salute.