[Lerkfish]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4534274 /
Colson was Nixon’s point man against Kerry, and he found a weapon in another veteran: John O’Neill. He was a spokesman for Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace, which backed Nixon administration policy in Vietnam, and in turn was supported by the White House.

Fresh out of the Navy like Kerry, O’Neill was angry at Kerry for saying U.S. servicemen in Vietnam routinely committed war crimes. The weekend before the Washington protests, Kerry made the accusations on NBC’s Meet the Press, saying, “I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed, in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones.” And, Kerry claimed, “I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All this is contrary to the laws of warfare.”

John O’Neill hit back at Kerry with administration-orchestrated press appearances of his own, including a news conference that June. O’Neill asked rhetorically, “Shall Mr. Kerry and his little group of one thousand or twelve thousand embittered men be allowed to represent their views as that of all veterans, because they can appear on every news program? I hope not, for the country’s sake.”

After the news conference, O’Neill met with Charles Colson at the White House, where the attack on Kerry was seen as a public relations coup. In a conversation with the president, Haldeman gave the credit to Charles Colson, and raved about John O’Neill:

Haldeman: -- crew cut, real sharp looking guy who is more articulate than Kerry. He’s not as eloquent; he isn’t the ham that Kerry is. But he’s more believable.

Haldeman: This guy now, is gonna, he’s gonna move on Kerry.

The White House encouraged O’Neill to challenge Kerry to a debate. Kerry agreed and before the event, President Nixon called O’Neill into the Oval Office for a pep talk. “It’s a great service to the country,” declared the president.

Nixon: Give it to him, give it to him. And you can do it, because you have a pleasant manner, too, because you’ve got — and I think it’s a great service to the country.

Nixon: You fellows have been out there. You’ve got to know, seeing the barbarians that we’re up against, you’ve got to know what we’re doing in that horrible swamp that North Vietnam is. You’ve got to know from all our faults of what we have in this country that, that what we’re doing is right. You’ve got to know too, people are critics. Critics of the war, critics of , run America down. You’ve gotta know that you’re on the winning s—that, that you’re on the right side.

Two weeks later, the veterans squared off on the popular Dick Cavett show."


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/21/172634/848
"In a series of memos, Nixon aide Colson, who later went to prison for his role in the Watergate scandal, referred to the administration's efforts to promote O'Neill and to challenge Kerry to debate him.
On June 15, 1971, Colson noted that Kerry first turned down a debate offer with O'Neill and that he was "beginning to take a tremendous beating in the press."

"Let's destroy this young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader," Colson wrote about Kerry."


http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/37877544.html
"O'Neill's ties to the Republican Party extend far beyond party affiliation. During the CNN interview, Blitzer reported that former President Richard Nixon had urged O'Neill to publicly counter Kerry on The Dick Cavett Show, but there is more to the story. O'Neill was a creation of the Nixon administration, as Joe Klein detailed in the January 5 issue of The New Yorker. Former Nixon special counsel Chuck Colson told Klein that Kerry was an "articulate" and "credible leader" of those veterans calling for an end to the Vietnam War and therefore "an immediate target of the Nixon Administration." As such, the Nixon administration found it necessary to "create a counterfoil" to Kerry. Colson recounted, "We found a vet named John O'Neill and formed a group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace. We had O'Neill meet the President, and we did everything we could do to
boost his group."

Articles from the April 21 Houston Chronicle and the June 17, 2003, Boston Globe confirm close ties between O'Neill and the Nixon administration.


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4534613 /
June 16, 1971: Oval Office meeting with John O’Neill
Nixon: I really feel that what you’re doing, you’ll take brickbats, you go on some of these TV shows like the Cavett thing, you’re gonna get banged, but – you’ll get terribly discouraged and say the whole country’s – and so forth. But I think ya gotta remember, uh, you have to remember, that uh, that uh, now {unintelligible] in Vietnam should be enough, that now you would have the to get back and reassure people that those few that come back – like Kerry and the rest – don’t speak for all.

[BRussell]

I heard his co-author likes to post angry conservative rants on an internet forum. His name on freeper is jrlc. Maybe he posts here too?

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by BRussell:
I heard his co-author likes to post angry conservative rants on an internet forum. His name on freeper is jrlc. Maybe he posts here too?

I dunno, but the important thing is ØNeill lied today in interviews.
He stated he never went to the white house before the Cavett Show, but in fact He did and was recruited by Colson to go on the Cavett Show.
He also stated he's a democrat, but all his political contributions are to the republican party and politicians.

Real integrity.

[LoganCharles]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:

Real integrity.

I have to say that you are consistent in your thought processes. Your typing abilities though are inconsistent to your present injury.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by LoganCharles:


I have to say that you are consistent in your thought processes. Your typing abilities though are inconsistent to your present injury.

ROTLFLMAO! I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest you never made the debate team.

[sanity assassin]

Originally posted by LoganCharles:


I have to say that you are consistent in your thought processes. Your typing abilities though are inconsistent to your present injury.

Is that the best people can do now? Ad hom. remarks?

[davesimondotcom]

The whole thing just stinks - I think that trying to destroy Kerry over what he did just after the war (his anti-Vietnam era) and his statements during that time is silly. I mean, if he was in Cambodia on Christmas, January, whatever, what does it matter?

I want to know what he'll do in the 4-8 years after January 2005, if he is elected President. Problem is, the promises change depending on who he's talking to. And I guarantee he won't be making a campaign stop here in Montana!

Totally off subject, but Lerk, aren't you always accusing the conservative members of this board for not discussing the subject, but attacking the messenger instead. There are at least two posts you've made in the past day or so that are not issue oriented at all. This one and the "Bush drunk" video - of which, I can definitely say the cameraman seemed drunk - I'm dizzy from watching it.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by davesimondotcom:
Totally off subject, but Lerk, aren't you always accusing the conservative members of this board for not discussing the subject, but attacking the messenger instead. There are at least two posts you've made in the past day or so that are not issue oriented at all. This one and the "Bush drunk" video - of which, I can definitely say the cameraman seemed drunk - I'm dizzy from watching it.

you're right. That's off subject.

[daimoni]

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[LoganCharles]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
ROTLFLMAO!

Man those must be some good pain killers for you to be rolling around on the floor like that. Must make the dog happy.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
you're right. That's off subject.

And for the rest of my post - where I mention that you are usually admonishing Zimphire about not addressing the "issue" but instead attacking the personalities involved?

Or any of the rest of my post?

[LoganCharles]

Typical Lerkfish posting method:

1) Post inflamatory topic meant entirely to start flame fest.
2) Makes things personal by using his "real?" life in an irrelevant manner.
3) Fails to back up arguement.
4) Accuse those opposing his opinion as personally attacking.
5) Personally attacks.
6) Forms baseless opinion based on inflamatory remarks.
7) Erases posts.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

[spacefreak]

"I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared--seared--in me." --- John Kerry - Senate Floor, March 27, 1986

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real." --- John Kerry - Boston Herald, Oct. 14, 1979

So now the story is "January", not Christmas eve or Christmas. And now there's this...

concerning the assertion that Mr. Kerry was shot at by the Khmer Rouge during his Christmas 1968 visit to Cambodia, it should be noted that the Khmer Rouge didn't take the field until the Easter Offensive of 1972, when the Vietnamese forces that had attacked the Cambodians initially in March 1970 pulled out of Cambodia to attack the U.S. and Vietnamese forces in Vietnam. Only Vietnamese Communist soldiers were found on the battlefields of Cambodia in 1970-72.

So not only was he not there when he said he was, but the enemies who were supposedly firing at him weren't even there or in existence yet.

How about we see his complete military records, like he promised the American people and Tim Russert months ago?

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by spacefreak:

How about we see his complete military records, like he promised the American people and Tim Russert months ago?

You're asking a lot man. I mean hell, give him a break, he's not even written them yet.

[BRussell]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
So now the story is "January", not Christmas eve or Christmas. And now there's this...
So not only was he not there when he said he was, but the enemies who were supposedly firing at him weren't even there or in existence yet.

So I want to get this straight. He said he was there on Christmas, but maybe he was only near Cambodia on Christmas, and he was really in Cambodia in January! And he used the term Khmer Rouge when they were really just, uh, Cambodian communists! What a story this is.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by BRussell:
So I want to get this straight. He said he was there on Christmas, but maybe he was only near Cambodia on Christmas, and he was really in Cambodia in January! And he used the term Khmer Rouge when they were really just, uh, Cambodian communists! What a story this is.

And there were no Vietnamese in Cambodia for at least another year.

Mr. Kerry, the records please.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by LoganCharles:
Typical Lerkfish posting method:

1) Post inflamatory topic meant entirely to start flame fest.
2) Makes things personal by using his "real?" life in an irrelevant manner.
3) Fails to back up arguement.
4) Accuse those opposing his opinion as personally attacking.
5) Personally attacks.
6) Forms baseless opinion based on inflamatory remarks.
7) Erases posts.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

This is a flame-post. Come on....

But hey, you got it about down pretty well.

[Dr.HermanG.]

And then he runs away and claims to commit suicide...

[Demonhood]

Stick to the topic, not personal attacks.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
How about we see his complete military records, like he promised the American people and Tim Russert months ago?

The irony is palpable.

[Zimphire]

Now I have been made fun of for doing this too Lerk. But your usage of irony is off.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
"I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared--seared--in me." --- John Kerry - Senate Floor, March 27, 1986

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real." --- John Kerry - Boston Herald, Oct. 14, 1979

I’m amazed more people haven’t picked up on another startling and glaring inconsistency with Kerry’s ‘December 1968’ claim. It’s simply incredible.

He’s basically yelling at President Nixon over Cambodia- and doing what the left has always done- blame Nixon for getting us involved in Cambodia- and yet…

*drumroll..*

HE CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN IN CAMBODIA DURING THE JOHNSON ADMINISTRATION!!!

Why is it EVERY TIME Kerry opens his fat yap concerning the Vietnam war he comes off as a total and complete dumbass?