[moki]

This is a fascinating article written by a journalist who purchased computers in Afghanistan that were used by al-qaeda. It is too long to re-post here, but is a very interesting read:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200409/cullison

[undotwa]

does it have porn?

[voodoo]

Originally posted by undotwa:
does it have porn?

getting right to the point, I like that

[CreepingDeth]

Root level of Al Qaeda's HD.

/Secret Documents/Infidels Don't look/They really shouldn't/Keep out/No girls allowed/We mean it/It's just cattle/Stop going through our folders/Please stop/NOOOO/OBL Porn pics.

OBLALSADRSADDAMXXXthreewayüberhothardcoreXXX-balarinapicture[FAVshot].jpg.

I knew it!!

[deomacius]

On a serious note, the last email on that page seems to point to exactly what is happening now.

a) Further weakening of the American economy

b) Shaking the confidence in the American economy. This will lead investors to refrain from investing in America or participating in American companies, thus accelerating the fall of the American economy …

—Conduct a media campaign to fight the enemy's publicity. The campaign should focus on the following important points:

a) Attempt to cause a rift between the American people and their government, by demonstrating the following to the Americans:

—That the U.S. government will lead them into further losses of money and lives.

—That the government is sacrificing the people to serve the interests of the rich, particularly the Jews.

—That the government is leading them to the war front to protect Israel and its security.

—America should withdraw from the current battle between Muslims and Jews.

These are days when we should be more united than ever and yet we are severely divided.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by deomacius:
On a serious note, the last email on that page seems to point to exactly what is happening now.



These are days when we should be more united than ever and yet we are severely divided.

Happening now?? Ever since Bush stopped hunting for OBL and AQ this has been happening. That would be uhhh since september 12th 2001 or something. No this is hardly prophetic this is just the grave Bushie has been digging himself into ever since he took office essentially. Sigh.

[necromactastic]

The mundane details were prety amusing, even in the world's most notorious terrorist outfit, there's some bean counter around to hassle you about your expense reports:

Noble brother Ezzat …

Following are my comments on the summary accounting I received:

… With all due respect, this is not an accounting. It's a summary accounting. For example, you didn't write any dates, and many of the items are vague.

The analysis of the summary shows the following:

1- You received a total of $22,301. Of course, you didn't mention the period over which this sum was received. Our activities only benefited from a negligible portion of the money. This means that you received and distributed the money as you please …

2- Salaries amounted to $10,085—45 percent of the money. I had told you in my fax … that we've been receiving only half salaries for five months. What is your reaction or response to this?

3- Loans amounted to $2,190. Why did you give out loans? Didn't I give clear orders to Muhammad Saleh to … refer any loan requests to me? We have already had long discussions on this topic …

4- Why have guesthouse expenses amounted to $1,573 when only Yunis is there, and he can be accommodated without the need for a guesthouse?

5- Why did you buy a new fax for $470? Where are the two old faxes? Did you get permission before buying a new fax under such circumstances?

6- Please explain the cell-phone invoice amounting to $756 (2,800 riyals) when you have mentioned communication expenses of $300.

7- Why are you renovating the computer? Have I been informed of this?

8- General expenses you mentioned amounted to $235. Can you explain what you mean?

[zigzag]

Originally posted by deomacius:
On a serious note, the last email on that page seems to point to exactly what is happening now.

These are days when we should be more united than ever and yet we are severely divided.

A worthwhile point, but I think you're overlooking another important point: one of their stated goals was to draw the U.S. into conflict there in order to foment even more anti-American resentment. There's a valid question as to whether Bush's decision to invade Iraq played right into their hands. I'm not sure of the answer - the counter-argument is that change in Iraq will spread good will in the long run - but it's a valid question.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by deomacius:
On a serious note, the last email on that page seems to point to exactly what is happening now.



These are days when we should be more united than ever and yet we are severely divided.

You may want to look up what Bernard Kerik had to say on this type of stuff. The man's brilliant, and seems to be tuned into what is in Al Queda's mind... unfortuantely despite him being very good at this type of stuff, people ignore him because of that.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by zigzag:
A worthwhile point, but I think you're overlooking another important point: one of their stated goals was to draw the U.S. into conflict there in order to foment even more anti-American resentment. There's a valid question as to whether Bush's decision to invade Iraq played right into their hands. I'm not sure of the answer - the counter-argument is that change in Iraq will spread good will in the long run - but it's a valid question.

Yes.

It seems that al Qaeda know their enemy very well (of course, after doing business with and financing him for decades), and it seems that the Bush administration has been more than happy to oblige by walking right into the trap.

-s*

[Spliffdaddy]

so it isn't a neocon conspiracy, after all?

somebody needs to tell Lerk. I ain't gonna do it.

[Ratm]

Interesting.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
so it isn't a neocon conspiracy, after all?

somebody needs to tell Lerk. I ain't gonna do it.

There's gotta be something. Neo-cons and Jews have taken America in business, the Supreme Court, everything! Next they'll want us to give a straight-arm salute! Then they'll plant chips in our brains and watch us with our EZ-Passes, On-Star, use the Patriot Act, then rape our mother's bisexual closet mistress.

I still think it's gay porn.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
so it isn't a neocon conspiracy, after all?

somebody needs to tell Lerk. I ain't gonna do it.

If you'd been listening, the point is that the neo-con agenda plays perfectly into the hands of al-Qaeda.

Removal of civil liberties is *their* agenda after all, isn't it?

Pay attention.

[CreepingDeth]

al Qaeda's "kill the infidels" agenda? 3 words for them: Don't look up.
Quite frankly, I don't care what they think. They are a threat and must be destroyed like little annoying bugs that occasionally show up on the wall. If anything, their plans to disrupt the election helps Bush.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
al Qaeda's "kill the infidels" agenda? 3 words for them: Don't look up.
Quite frankly, I don't care what they think. They are a threat and must be destroyed like little annoying bugs that occasionally show up on the wall. If anything, their plans to disrupt the election helps Bush.

Don't think the Bush campaign hasn't thought about that, and even completed an ad or two that they can air after such an attack.

Either way, Bush has a victory. He's statistically guaranteed 45% because he's a president during a large scale troop deployment. Plus some more for 2 fronts (aprox. 47%).

He's really only campaigning to get 4%.

While kerry (or anyone who isn't Bush) needs 51%.


Bush would be best off with an attack in Sept, that way he doesn't appear to agreessive campaigning post-attack. Halt campaigning for a few weeks, and build up again slowly, peaking 1 week before the elections. The surge in support would still lingure enough to keep him above 50%, but without appearing to offensive by campaigning... since most big targets are in important states. Effectively making them swing states.


There have been quite a few articles on the topic already. Your idea isn't new.

[CreepingDeth]

It's obvious. But as some conspiracy theory nuts would say "Bush planned this for votes!" or something like that. See, in America, we're the opposite of Europe. Europe caves into attacks (Spain), we go kick their ass and become more patriotic. So it is helpful for any president, because they people would be in support of their leader to get revenge. Nothing wrong with that.

[deomacius]

Originally posted by zigzag:
A worthwhile point, but I think you're overlooking another important point: one of their stated goals was to draw the U.S. into conflict there in order to foment even more anti-American resentment. There's a valid question as to whether Bush's decision to invade Iraq played right into their hands. I'm not sure of the answer - the counter-argument is that change in Iraq will spread good will in the long run - but it's a valid question.

No doubt. But it's a double edged sword. If we let terrorist carry on unprotested they become emboldened. If we try to attack them or the roots that feed them we are playing into their hands. I guess it's a matter of deciding on the lesser of two evils.

[CreepingDeth]

I'd rather sever their little heads than to leave them there because we don't want to "provoke them". Horseshit. They hate us already. They can only die for Allah once.

[deomacius]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
You may want to look up what Bernard Kerik had to say on this type of stuff. The man's brilliant, and seems to be tuned into what is in Al Queda's mind... unfortuantely despite him being very good at this type of stuff, people ignore him because of that.

I found this. Did you have a particular page in mind. Seems enlightening.

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
It's obvious. But as some conspiracy theory nuts would say "Bush planned this for votes!" or something like that. See, in America, we're the opposite of Europe. Europe caves into attacks (Spain), we go kick their ass and become more patriotic. So it is helpful for any president, because they people would be in support of their leader to get revenge. Nothing wrong with that.

What happened in the election in Spain is a very interesting development and deserves more analysis than what you are able to deliver:

Spain got attacked by islamistic terrorists, and the government tried, from the first minute on, the best it could do to make the ETA responsible for the attack, a spanish terrorist-group that wants some part of Spain to be independent. The government lied and pressured all politicians, ambassadors and even the press to follow the wrong theory that ETA was behind the attacks, eventhough proof came up to hint otherwise...

That lying and the shock of the attack led to a much higher election-turnout! That's the most important development, the lying of the government provoked parts of the population that otherwise wouldn't even have bothered to elect at all, to go voting, and that otherwise impolitical and uninterested parts of the population have voted against the lying government, and that made possible the surprise-win of the opposition.

But don't let yourself be disturbed by that analysis, for you it simply translates into "Spain caved into attacks".

Taliesin

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by deomacius:
I found this. Did you have a particular page in mind. Seems enlightening.

It's a good background, but doesn't quite cover what I was hinting at.

His theory is that it would take only 3 'light weight' attacks to completely cripple the US Economy:

- Bank (financial institutions). Cripple where we store/invest.
- Shopping Mall, Supermarket. Halt commercial activity.
- Tourist Venue, Stadium, Disney World, etc.

Americans, unlike the rest of the world, have a tendency to freeze and balk for a while. We saw that after various events in history: Flight 800 crashes... airline travel goes down. Oklahoma City... government short of people willing to work for them. 9/11... airlines face major setbacks, and companies leave high office buildings because people are afraid of them. Just a handful of examples.

By taking the above 3, it would cripple the US economy. These aren't major targets. They would ideally be done in places other than NYC or LA. Small towns ("you can't be safe"). The US reaction would halt the economy and put us in a tailspin.

For an added bonus, considering the Oil/Energy crisis we are starting to face... these targets (refineries, power plants) also make big targets.

That stops foreign investors from wanting to invest as well.

This is really the big fear. Only 1 or 2 could die in the actual attacks. But the economic effect would most definately make the 'great depression' a mild dip in our economic history compared to what would be in store. The big damagge would come in the form of economic chaios.


Why this is an American issue is a good question. The rest of the world has prooved to be pretty bulletproof to such stuff, but the US has shown to be the complete opposite historically.

Granted recovery would indeed happen (we have a great strategy in place looking back on the Great Depression). But we would be looking at things we haven't seen in very large scales for decades becoming mainstream: health issues, starvation, etc.


Countries like Israel, GB, etc. who have delt with terrorists for years are rather immune to this stuff. They have had it, with really no effect on the economy.


It's clear Al Queda has been on this path as well. We've since seen all of the above mentioned as targets. #1 and #3 (Madison Sq Garden) are right now the big targets even causing a terror warning. Most terror warnings talk about just such attacks.


Americans like to look at the big things (Empire State Building, Golden Gate Bridge, Whitehouse, etc.)... when in fact, it might be that little strip mall down the road in kansas that's the target, and would have more of an impact.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
It's a good background, but doesn't quite cover what I was hinting at.

His theory is that it would take only 3 'light weight' attacks to completely cripple the US Economy:

- Bank (financial institutions). Cripple where we store/invest.
- Shopping Mall, Supermarket. Halt commercial activity.
- Tourist Venue, Stadium, Disney World, etc.

Americans, unlike the rest of the world, have a tendency to freeze and balk for a while. We saw that after various events in history: Flight 800 crashes... airline travel goes down. Oklahoma City... government short of people willing to work for them. 9/11... airlines face major setbacks, and companies leave high office buildings because people are afraid of them. Just a handful of examples.

By taking the above 3, it would cripple the US economy. These aren't major targets. They would ideally be done in places other than NYC or LA. Small towns ("you can't be safe"). The US reaction would halt the economy and put us in a tailspin.

For an added bonus, considering the Oil/Energy crisis we are starting to face... these targets (refineries, power plants) also make big targets.

That stops foreign investors from wanting to invest as well.

This is really the big fear. Only 1 or 2 could die in the actual attacks. But the economic effect would most definately make the 'great depression' a mild dip in our economic history compared to what would be in store. The big damagge would come in the form of economic chaios.


Why this is an American issue is a good question. The rest of the world has prooved to be pretty bulletproof to such stuff, but the US has shown to be the complete opposite historically.

Granted recovery would indeed happen (we have a great strategy in place looking back on the Great Depression). But we would be looking at things we haven't seen in very large scales for decades becoming mainstream: health issues, starvation, etc.


Countries like Israel, GB, etc. who have delt with terrorists for years are rather immune to this stuff. They have had it, with really no effect on the economy.


It's clear Al Queda has been on this path as well. We've since seen all of the above mentioned as targets. #1 and #3 (Madison Sq Garden) are right now the big targets even causing a terror warning. Most terror warnings talk about just such attacks.


Americans like to look at the big things (Empire State Building, Golden Gate Bridge, Whitehouse, etc.)... when in fact, it might be that little strip mall down the road in kansas that's the target, and would have more of an impact.

You and the author underestimate Americans.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by dcolton:
You and the author underestimate Americans.

Actually... it's a fact.

Look at the 9/11 fallout. You can't deny the drop in travel.

Have you ever been to NYC and had the option to go to any resturaunt in Time Square (no RSVP) with no wait during dinner? How about Disney World? I know I've done both. Must admit, Disney during Christmas with very minimal lines (when it's normally at a peak) was pretty cool... but again, pretty depressing that Orlando suffered through that loss of revenue.

Airlines have documented it too.

So have federal human resource dept.'s around the country.

Same with companies in high offices.


Are you suggesting that every American is in on this conspiracy except you? That really is quite comical.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Actually... it's a fact.

Look at the 9/11 fallout. You can't deny the drop in travel.

Have you ever been to NYC and had the option to go to any resturaunt in Time Square (no RSVP) with no wait during dinner? How about Disney World? I know I've done both. Must admit, Disney during Christmas with very minimal lines (when it's normally at a peak) was pretty cool... but again, pretty depressing that Orlando suffered through that loss of revenue.

Airlines have documented it too.

So have federal human resource dept.'s around the country.

Same with companies in high offices.


Are you suggesting that every American is in on this conspiracy except you? That really is quite comical.

We all felt the negative outcome of 9/11. BUt we are rebounding quickly. The initial shock of terrorism on American soil is over. President Bush and his administration have done a wonderful job preparing Americans for an inevitable attack on American soil.

I think the case could made equally that another attack would only strenghthen the resolve of the American people. And, if we see ourselves under attack because of a weak president in the next four years, just wait until the redneck factor comes into play. Being a muslim in America will be like being a Jew in Europe. It is regrettable, but never underestimate the will of the American people.

But to go a little deeper, the airline industry was already in trouble before 9/11. Disney world and it's catering to certain factions have alienated a number of Americans and travel destinations have changed.

Companies with high offices have relocated.

You think the federal government is having a difficult time filling positions? That is comical!

Don't underestimate the resolve of the American people. Just because you and your buddies like to think the worst of every situation doesn't mean that the outlook is so bad.

The big worry shouldn't be a short term blow to the world economy...it should be what happens when America gets really pissed.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by dcolton:
We all felt the negative outcome of 9/11. BUt we are rebounding quickly. The initial shock of terrorism on American soil is over. President Bush and his administration have done a wonderful job preparing Americans for an inevitable attack on American soil.

I think the case could made equally that another attack would only strenghthen the resolve of the American people. And, if we see ourselves under attack because of a weak president in the next four years, just wait until the redneck factor comes into play. Being a muslim in America will be like being a Jew in Europe. It is regrettable, but never underestimate the will of the American people.

But to go a little deeper, the airline industry was already in trouble before 9/11. Disney world and it's catering to certain factions have alienated a number of Americans and travel destinations have changed.

Companies with high offices have relocated.

You think the federal government is having a difficult time filling positions? That is comical!

Don't underestimate the resolve of the American people. Just because you and your buddies like to think the worst of every situation doesn't mean that the outlook is so bad.

The big worry shouldn't be a short term blow to the world economy...it should be what happens when America gets really pissed.

Your looking at a symbolic attack and calling it an economic attack.

The 9/11 attacks should have had no real impact on the US economy other than a day or two of closed business and the rebuilding costs. That's what the rest of the world would have had.

Everything but that is American. And 'relocating' from a high office building is admiting economic defeat... relocating costs are astronomical (even worse in tall buidings due to logistical costs). Not to mention the cost of empty real-estate.

NYC is fighting very hard to keep businesses from moving across to NJ and CT. Eventually they may have to loose some big businesses. That's billions of tax dollars lost for the state of NY.

Note: Businesses are the best citizens, they don't use many resources (schools, etc.) but pay tons of taxes. So do their employees.

And before 9/11, airline travel was *up*... every statistic was showing that more and more americans were flying on a yearly basis. Business travel was was way up (and those are big spenders BTW). All dropped signifigantly since 9/11. Business Travel has been the worst to recover as people don't feel it's worth it. Companies invested in some cheap Video Confrencing gear instead.


This stuff doesn't happen outside of America.


Now if the terrorists attack economic targets (rather than symbolic targets). Were easily talking 20X+ the impact. The WTC held little economic impact other than cleanup cost, lawsuits, disaster relief, and lost jobs of survivors.

Take out 1,2,3, and when America balks (as expected), the economy goes into a tailspin.

Even more troublesome is that the world is well aware of this. Hence instability in foreign trade will result, as well as the value of the dollar dropping.


Recovery would eventually happen... But the depression would be unlike anything our country (or any other) has seen.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Your looking at a symbolic attack and calling it an economic attack.

The 9/11 attacks should have had no real impact on the US economy other than a day or two of closed business and the rebuilding costs. That's what the rest of the world would have had.

Everything but that is American. And 'relocating' from a high office building is admiting economic defeat... relocating costs are astronomical (even worse in tall buidings due to logistical costs). Not to mention the cost of empty real-estate.

NYC is fighting very hard to keep businesses from moving across to NJ and CT. Eventually they may have to loose some big businesses. That's billions of tax dollars lost for the state of NY.

Note: Businesses are the best citizens, they don't use many resources (schools, etc.) but pay tons of taxes. So do their employees.

And before 9/11, airline travel was *up*... every statistic was showing that more and more americans were flying on a yearly basis. Business travel was was way up (and those are big spenders BTW). All dropped signifigantly since 9/11. Business Travel has been the worst to recover as people don't feel it's worth it. Companies invested in some cheap Video Confrencing gear instead.


This stuff doesn't happen outside of America.


Now if the terrorists attack economic targets (rather than symbolic targets). Were easily talking 20X+ the impact. The WTC held little economic impact other than cleanup cost, lawsuits, disaster relief, and lost jobs of survivors.

Take out 1,2,3, and when America balks (as expected), the economy goes into a tailspin.

Even more troublesome is that the world is well aware of this. Hence instability in foreign trade will result, as well as the value of the dollar dropping.


Recovery would eventually happen... But the depression would be unlike anything our country (or any other) has seen.

Okay, you are trying to say THE WORLD TRADE CENTER wasn't a hub for trade, financial institutions, etc. 9/11 WAS AN ATTACK on the world economy. Why are ou trying to redefine the attack?

As for the travel, provide me a link, I will try to do the same. but my point (which you convieniently ignored) was that the airline industry was already facing issues prior to 9/11.

[zigzag]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Disney world and it's catering to certain factions have alienated a number of Americans and travel destinations have changed.

LOL - are we supposed to believe that tourism in Central Florida is significantly affected by the 12 people who won't go there because of Gay Day? Do you have any numbers, or is this just another FoxNews talking point?

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Okay, you are trying to say THE WORLD TRADE CENTER wasn't a hub for trade, financial institutions, etc. 9/11 WAS AN ATTACK on the world economy. Why are ou trying to redefine the attack?

As for the travel, provide me a link, I will try to do the same. but my point (which you convieniently ignored) was that the airline industry was already facing issues prior to 9/11.

It was merely an office building. No, it wasn't a government building. No, Iseraeli Spy Agency was there, it's not the real federal reserve building, it's not an alternate whitehouse, or any of the other silly things people have come up with over the years.

It was an office.

It was choosen because it's *symbolic* of the free economy.

It's *NOT* an economic target.

If I burn a flag, would every American have 3rd degree burns on their body? Or is the flag symbolic of America?


An economic attack would be smallscale (since a capitalist economy is made up of small things, rather than a communist economy with 1 large entity).


BTW: May want to add 'overseas' to the list of travel destinations most hit. Europe, Asia, even Hawaii has been suffering since so many Americans aren't flying

[dcolton]

Originally posted by zigzag:
LOL - are we supposed to believe that tourism in Central Florida is significantly affected by the 12 people who won't go there because of Gay Day? Do you have any numbers, or is this just another FoxNews talking point?

Who mentioned Gay Day?

What is gay day?

[zigzag]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Who mentioned Gay Day?

What is gay day?

Then what exactly do you mean by "Disney world and it's catering to certain factions have alienated a number of Americans and travel destinations have changed"?

[BlackGriffen]

Originally posted by zigzag:
Then what exactly do you mean by "Disney world and it's catering to certain factions have alienated a number of Americans and travel destinations have changed"?

Then there was the time Disney Land had to shut down one of their rides because it depicted a world of the future, and that future world didn't have any churches in it. Of course, they reopened it once they had tacked on enough churches to satisfy the zealots.

Very interesting analysis, macvillage.net. I wonder how many attacks it will take for the American people to become desensitized enough to say, "Probability of anything happening to me, personally: low. Go about on my business, etc."

BlackGriffen

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
Then there was the time Disney Land had to shut down one of their rides because it depicted a world of the future, and that future world didn't have any churches in it. Of course, they reopened it once they had tacked on enough churches to satisfy the zealots.

I didn't know about that, very cool.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
Very interesting analysis, macvillage.net. I wonder how many attacks it will take for the American people to become desensitized enough to say, "Probability of anything happening to me, personally: low. Go about on my business, etc."

Good point. But unknown answer.

Really, it should have been there already. 9/11 shouldn't have had any real impact on the economy, nor should tourism in any part of our country, or the world have been effected. Nor should realestate outside downtown manhattan have been effected.

But that's American culture. That's balking is what made room for the civil rights movement, and womans suffrage among many advances. It was a chance for change.

Though it's also our biggest vulnerability.


Terrorists don't need large targets. They know it would be more successful for small targets.

[BlackGriffen]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Good point. But unknown answer.

Really, it should have been there already. 9/11 shouldn't have had any real impact on the economy, nor should tourism in any part of our country, or the world have been effected. Nor should realestate outside downtown manhattan have been effected.

But that's American culture. That's balking is what made room for the civil rights movement, and womans suffrage among many advances. It was a chance for change.

Though it's also our biggest vulnerability.


Terrorists don't need large targets. They know it would be more successful for small targets.

There is a difference, though. In the case of 9/11, the hysteria is fed by constant "terror alerts" and the sensation obsessed news cycle (whether you believe these things are justified or not, it's true).

BlackGriffen

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
There is a difference, though. In the case of 9/11, the hysteria is fed by constant "terror alerts" and the sensation obsessed news cycle (whether you believe these things are justified or not, it's true).

BlackGriffen

But that's the same anywhere. We call them 'terror alerts', others just call them government warnings, and such. Our media is brutal, and loves a good story. But so do others.

Ultimately, the america suffers at it's own hands in response to the stimuli.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
But that's the same anywhere. We call them 'terror alerts', others just call them government warnings, and such. Our media is brutal, and loves a good story. But so do others.

Ultimately, the america suffers at it's own hands in response to the stimuli.

People in the U.S. will become desensitized to the terrorist fear eventually. That is the only way to conquer them anyway. That 9/11 thing was such a stunt that I'm not surprised some people in the U.S. freaked out - thinking terrorists were capable of anything. When in reality they are not - there was and is just so farging lousy security systems and checks in domestic flights in the world. U.S. included. Still despite the show off they later named 9/11 something close to that scale won't happen again for decades to come if in our lifetime. I'm still puzzled over how flawless the execution of the atrocity was. It should never have worked, there were so many unknown factors - there always are - in such a co-ordinated thing. Only *one* of four seemed to miss the target but never mind that, we are still talking 4 co-ordinated hi-jackings of large jets at basically the same time. I understand and appreciate the trauma but people have to understand this kind of thing will never happen again.