[Lerkfish]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5675992/site/newsweek/

But in language that until now has not gotten any_ public attention, the Goss bill would also redefine the authority of the DCI in such a way as to substantially alter—if not overturn—a 57-year-old ban on the CIA conducting operations inside the United States.

The language contained in the Goss bill has alarmed civil-liberties advocates. It also today prompted one former top CIA official to describe it as a potentially “dramatic” change in the guidelines that have governed U.S. intelligence operations for more than a half century.

“This language on its face would have allowed President Nixon to authorize the CIA to bug the Democratic National Committee headquarters,”_ Jeffrey H. Smith, who served as general counsel of the CIA between 1995 and 1996, told NEWSWEEK. “I can’t imagine what Porter had in mind.”

[voodoo]

Wasn't it a fundamental policy of the CIA since foundation *not* to touch domestic affairs?

[OldManMac]

Fortunately, when Bush gets sent back to the ranch in January, Goss, if approved, will be replaced by Kerry's choice. He is another Ashcroft, if not worse.

[Zimphire]

When I was younger this kid down the road goat pissy about the local 7-11 installing security cams near the candy Isle.

See, he made a lot of money stealing candy and then selling it to kids.

While I saw it as a non-issue since I never stole candy, it ruined his little scheme.

[SimeyTheLimey]

Originally posted by KarlG:
Fortunately, when Bush gets sent back to the ranch in January, Goss, if approved, will be replaced by Kerry's choice. He is another Ashcroft, if not worse.

No. CIA Directors are traditionally not replaced. They are not members of the Cabinet. That's why George Tenet (a Clinton appointee) stayed on with Bush.

There is one exception in the history of the CIA and that is George HW Bush. Carter replaced him because Bush was a former RNC chairman. But otherwise they are supposed to provide some continuity between administrations, not be political. The Democrats in the Senate that will confirm him understand that.

As for this story, a link would be nice. Especially a link to the bill itself.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Wasn't it a fundamental policy of the CIA since foundation *not* to touch domestic affairs?

They are probably given the ability to arrest citizens that have affairs, or deals with foreign enemies. Meaning it's still about foreign intelligence. They just have the ability to deal with the people in the US that is involved.

I read about this somewhere else. I'll see if I can find the link.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
As for this story, a link would be nice. Especially a link to the bill itself.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5675992/site/newsweek/

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
No. CIA Directors are traditionally not replaced. They are not members of the Cabinet. That's why George Tenet (a Clinton appointee) stayed on with Bush.

There is one exception in the history of the CIA and that is George HW Bush. Carter replaced him because Bush was a former RNC chairman. But otherwise they are supposed to provide some continuity between administrations, not be political. The Democrats in the Senate that will confirm him understand that.

As for this story, a link would be nice. Especially a link to the bill itself.

there is a link in the first post. unless you're talking about something else

[SimeyTheLimey]

OK so reading the article, this particular bill isn't going anywhere. It's not likely to be passed, and was introduced before the 9/11 commission reported and before the president made his own proposals for intelligence restructuring.

Most bills introduced go nowhere. That's not usually a cause to stop the presses. But I realize that this year its all about hysteria.

[OldManMac]

Nothing wrong with a little vigilance, or what you call "hysteria." I happen to believe we need a little more hysteria from our citizens; maybe we would have a president in the Oval Office, instead of someone who thinks he a king.

[Zimphire]

Huh? Gore isn't the President.

[OldManMac]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Huh? Gore isn't the President.

Every once in a while, I have to read your posts, because you're so witty, even though you're on my Ignore list.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by KarlG:
Every once in a while, I have to read your posts, because you're so witty, even though you're on my Ignore list.

So what you are trying to tell us is.. you have no self control?

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by KarlG:
Nothing wrong with a little vigilance, or what you call "hysteria." I happen to believe we need a little more hysteria from our citizens; maybe we would have a president in the Oval Office, instead of someone who thinks he a king.

Actually, Bush doesn't think he's a 'king'. He think's he's a profit sent by God.

There's a difference between pure power hungry, and people who have lost their marbles.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
He think's he's a profit sent by God.

Perfect Freudian typo.

[RonnieoftheRose]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
When I was younger this kid down the road goat pissy about the local 7-11 installing security cams near the candy Isle.

See, he made a lot of money stealing candy and then selling it to kids.

While I saw it as a non-issue since I never stole candy, it ruined his little scheme.

In other words you're one of those people who think there's nothing wrong with a police state because if you don't commit crime there's nothing to worry about. Well, guess what? In a police state people don't question those above them because fear of being watched has taken control.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
No. CIA Directors are traditionally not replaced.

No they resign for personal reasons

[Millennium]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Wasn't it a fundamental policy of the CIA since foundation *not* to touch domestic affairs?

Not policy, per se. When it was instituted, laws were passed to prohibit it from touching domestic affairs. It was the only way they could get it through Congress. They've openly tried to circumvent that law in the past, and some theorize that they may have done so more covertly in the past.