[Lerkfish]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/24/po...4swift.html?hp

the first part:

RAWFORD, Tex., Aug. 23 - President Bush said on Monday that political advertisements run by a broad swath of independent groups should be stopped, including a television advertisement attacking Senator John Kerry's war record. But the White House quickly moved to insist that Mr. Bush had not meant in any way to single out the advertisement run by veterans opposed to Mr. Kerry.

but read the article to the middle:

"That means that ad, every other ad,'' he said.

The president spoke on a day when Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, in another indication of its web of ties to the Republican Party, acknowledged that a woman who helped set it up and works for it is an officer of the Majority Leader's Fund, a political action committee affiliated with the former House majority leader Dick Armey of Texas.

The name of the woman, Susan Arceneaux, is given as the contact person on the post office box that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth lists as its address. She is treasurer of the Majority Leader's Fund. Records show that like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group receives significant financing from Bob Perry, a Texan who has long supported Mr. Bush, and his company, as well as Sam and Charles Wyly, prominent Texas Republican donors. Sam Wyly, under the name "Republicans for Clean Air,'' took out advertisements in 2000 criticizing the environmental record of Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona.

Mr. Perry has donated $200,000 to the Swift boat group, records show, and Merrie Spaeth, a Republican strategist who has been advising the Swift boat group, was a spokeswoman for Sam Wyly's advertising campaign in 2000.

Mr. Bush put his remarks about the advertisement by the Swift boat group in the context of his previous calls for a ban on advertisements from third-party groups known as 527's, using large, unlimited donations. Only when pressed by reporters whether he specifically meant the commercial from the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, did he say "all of them.''

[Millennium]

I see a beginning and an end, but no middle. You've shown plenty of correlation, but you're still missing causal links. It's the classic logical fallacy known as post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

For Bush to get urge all of these organizations to stop airing their ads hurts him as much as it hurts Kerry. It does not make sense for him to do this if he's got a whole bunch of them acting as front organizations. As a matter of giving the devil his due, however clueless he may be about other things he's brilliant at playing politics. This would be an uncharacteristically naive mistake.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by Millennium:
I see a beginning and an end, but no middle. You've shown plenty of correlation, but you're still missing causal links. It's the classic logical fallacy known as post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

I'm quoting an article. my title only says there are connections, the only words of my own I used were:"the first part:", "read the article to the middle". From this you accuse of a logical fallacy. Interesting. If I say nothing at all, what do you accuse me of?

Originally posted by Millennium:
For Bush to get urge all of these organizations to stop airing their ads hurts him as much as it hurts Kerry. It does not make sense for him to do this if he's got a whole bunch of them acting as front organizations. As a matter of giving the devil his due, however clueless he may be about other things he's brilliant at playing politics. This would be an uncharacteristically naive mistake.

valid argument, as far as it goes...another possiblity is that the swift boat liars essentially shot their best wad, they're done, and so it doesn't matter if they stop now.
In other words, it would be like hitting my opponent in the groin, and then standing up and saying "no more hitting in the groin, let's be gentlemen".

[Dr.HermanG.]

Nobody's wad comes close to the wad Kerry has been shooting for 30 years. Problem now is that he's shooting blanks because people are seeing through the BS.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
I'm quoting an article. my title only says there are connections, the only words of my own I used were:"the first part:", "read the article to the middle". From this you accuse of a logical fallacy. Interesting. If I say nothing at all, what do you accuse me of?

Connections are causal links; you have not shown them. That is the base behind my so-called accusation.

valid argument, as far as it goes...another possiblity is that the swift boat liars essentially shot their best wad, they're done, and so it doesn't matter if they stop now.

Possible, but why attack all of the groups out there? Bush isn't dumb enough to put all his eggs in one basket; if the switfies are his stooges then he has others of the same type too. Why urge them all to shut down? The swifties may have shot their best wad, but surely not all such groups have.

[Secret__Police]

Originally posted by Millennium:
As a matter of giving the devil his due, however clueless he may be about other things he's brilliant at playing politics. This would be an uncharacteristically naive mistake.

You must be referring to Carl Rove. Bush is a puppet.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Connections are causal links; you have not shown them. That is the base behind my so-called accusation.

you don't consider the following a connection:

The president spoke on a day when Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, in another indication of its web of ties to the Republican Party, acknowledged that a woman who helped set it up and works for it is an officer of the Majority Leader's Fund, a political action committee affiliated with the former House majority leader Dick Armey of Texas.

The name of the woman, Susan Arceneaux, is given as the contact person on the post office box that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth lists as its address. She is treasurer of the Majority Leader's Fund.

Originally posted by Millennium:
Possible, but why attack all of the groups out there? Bush isn't dumb enough to put all his eggs in one basket; if the switfies are his stooges then he has others of the same type too. Why urge them all to shut down? The swifties may have shot their best wad, but surely not all such groups have.

But they were disastrously unsuccessful, and they may feel the 527s supporting Kerry are more deleterious to their campaign than the remaining 527s they have in their own pocket are beneficial.

The move has pushed independents AWAY from the president. He's still reinforcing his base support. he needs the independents and they are not happy with the swift boat accusations from what I understand. I think its a switch in strategy.
They also hoped the swift boat liars were going to bouy them up right before the convention, instead of backfire as badly as it did.

[Dr.HermanG.]

If the swift boat ads weren't working then explain the polls showing veterans moving away from Kerry like an unarmed Vietnamese woman carrying her baby away from the Butcher of Massachusetts.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by Dr.HermanG.:
If the swift boat ads weren't working then explain the polls showing veterans moving away from Kerry like an unarmed Vietnamese woman carrying her baby away from the Butcher of Massachusetts.

man, you have seriously lost it.

[Dr.HermanG.]

The only one losing it is Kerry.

Can Kerry account for the unarmed Vietnamese woman and baby that he murdered in cold blood while taking out a reported machine gun nest? I wonder.

[macvillage.net]

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[LoganCharles]

Here's your prize Lerk.