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Except on this street I met Mr Mumtaz Ali, the first ever Muslim to qualify here as a lawyer, and now the man behind the proposal to introduce Sharia law to Canada.
Great, the first muslim lawyer in Canada, and he supports the barbaric Sharia law. Way to go Canada. You ban Fox News, you allow the terrorist friendly Al-Jazeera. Why not implement the primitive Sharia law also ? Who said Canadians weren't fools ?
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And just to add one thing. This is another great reason to protect our borders. Too many crazies up there in the terrorist sympathetic Canada.
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Originally posted by PacHead:
Great, the first muslim lawyer in Canada, and he supports the barbaric Sharia law. Way to go Canada. You ban Fox News, you allow the terrorist friendly Al-Jazeera. Why not implement the primitive Sharia law also ? Who said Canadians weren't fools ?
Let me guess, you don't know much about Sharia law?
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Originally posted by PacHead:
Except on this street I met Mr Mumtaz Ali, the first ever Muslim to qualify here as a lawyer, and now the man behind the proposal to introduce Sharia law to Canada.
Great, the first muslim lawyer in Canada, and he supports the barbaric Sharia law. Way to go Canada. You ban Fox News, you allow the terrorist friendly Al-Jazeera. Why not implement the primitive Sharia law also ? Who said Canadians weren't fools ?
Umm... FoxNews isn't on all networks, and Al-Jazeera isn't banned. It's available for anyone who wants it.
Who said Americans weren't fools?
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Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Umm... FoxNews isn't on all networks, and Al-Jazeera isn't banned. It's available for anyone who wants it.
Who said Al-Jazeera was banned ? Can you read ?
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Originally posted by eklipse:
Let me guess, you don't know much about Sharia law?
That's where you cover up the women from head to toe, and if their ankles just happen to show, then you call 666 for the vice-squad and they come and beat that woman with sticks.
It's also where you stone people to death, and there are severe penalties for anybody who doesn't follow these cavemen rules.
Sharia law is what got that 16 year old girl killed in Iran I assume ? A lovely law (for primitive peoples).
Sharia = Fundamentalist = wifebeaters = terrorists
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Originally posted by PacHead:
That's where you cover up the women from head to toe, and if their ankles just happen to show, then you call 666 for the vice-squad and they come and beat that woman with sticks.
It's also where you stone people to death, and there are severe penalties for anybody who doesn't follow these cavemen rules.
Sharia law is what got that 16 year old girl killed in Iran I assume ? A lovely law (for primitive peoples).
Sharia = Fundamentalist = wifebeaters = terrorists
A simple "No I don't" would have sufficed.
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Originally posted by eklipse:
A simple "No I don't" would have sufficed.
Whatever I wrote is true.
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Originally posted by PacHead:
That's where you cover up the women from head to toe, and if their ankles just happen to show, then you call 666 for the vice-squad and they come and beat that woman with sticks.
It's also where you stone people to death, and there are severe penalties for anybody who doesn't follow these cavemen rules.
Sharia law is what got that 16 year old girl killed in Iran I assume ? A lovely law (for primitive peoples).
Sharia = Fundamentalist = wifebeaters = terrorists
^ What a monkey turd filled post.
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I'm not sure it would be possible to implement Sharia law in Canada
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Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
I'm not sure it would be possible to implement Sharia law in Canada
Doesn't matter. Masses of christians protesting in another country had this barbaric, primitive, caveman law forced upon them.
Nigeria's sizeable Christian population has opposed the implementation of Sharia, which includes punishments such as amputation for theft, stoning for adultery and flogging for the drinking of alcohol.
In the nearby state of Sokoto, a Nigerian mother of five is facing a sentence of death by stoning after being convicted of having sex outside marriage.
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Originally posted by PacHead:
Doesn't matter. Masses of christians protesting in another country had this barbaric, primitive, caveman law forced upon them.
Nigeria's sizeable Christian population has opposed the implementation of Sharia, which includes punishments such as amputation for theft, stoning for adultery and flogging for the drinking of alcohol.
In the nearby state of Sokoto, a Nigerian mother of five is facing a sentence of death by stoning after being convicted of having sex outside marriage.
Canada isn't Nigeria.
I agree that it would be discriminatory to allow Jewish courts and not Sharia courts. If the Sharia courts are not allowed in Canada, Jewish ones should be disallowed as well.
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I guess I just disagree with the principle that religious individuals should have the right to live by religious law. Perhaps they should be able to do it when the spirit of religious and civil laws overlap, but then the religious aspect is just a rubber stamp anyway...
Anyway, I don't necessarily understand why some people oppose it because they escaped from oppressive implementations in other countries. I'd imagine individuals would have a choice about whether or not to use the religious courts.
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Originally posted by itai195:
I guess I just disagree with the principle that religious individuals should have the right to live by religious law. Perhaps they should be able to do it when the spirit of religious and civil laws overlap, but then the religious aspect is just a rubber stamp anyway...
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Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
^ What a monkey turd filled post.
So you agree with the law?
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Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
^ What a monkey turd filled post.
Oh, so Adultery is no longer a capital offense under Sharia Law?
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Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Canada isn't Nigeria.
I agree that it would be discriminatory to allow Jewish courts and not Sharia courts. If the Sharia courts are not allowed in Canada, Jewish ones should be disallowed as well.
No religious court should have a higher authority than the laws of the land.
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Originally posted by MacNStein:
Oh, so Adultery is no longer a capital offense under Sharia Law?
Is it impossible for the Islamophobes to even read the article?!
But Ms Boyd stressed that decisions reached by Muslim courts would have to be consistent with Canada's charter of rights and freedoms.
I'll even quote it once more to make sure you'll see it.
But Ms Boyd stressed that decisions reached by Muslim courts would have to be consistent with Canada's charter of rights and freedoms.
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My thoughts.
If the Islamic community wants it, and can be made accountable for it, as long as human rights will be respected. I can see any type of Law or almost being applied, as long as Human Rights take precedence.
If Islamic women want it, or a version of it, I say fine, as long as their Rights as Human Beings are respected.
Justice has been adapted for many communities, but some practice are criminal (excision and infibulation for instance). First Nations are also provided opportunities to apply some of their rules, especially in settings of "community justice", applicable to common Law and minor crimes. But these are compromises; the Inuit are longing to take the Justice system in their hands, and are in the process especially in Nunavut.
But the Chart of Human Rights should and will have precedence.
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Sharia isn't the most dehumanizing political system on the planet. However, it's probably somewhere in the top ten. That is, of course, simply IMHO.
Ahem. In any case, this would be a major violation of the separation of Church and State; a principle which Canada follows just as the US does. Of course, the Jewish religious courts are also a violation, and something needs to be done about that. If the decisions of a religious court were legally nonbinding, then I wouldn't have a problem with such a system. However, this does not appear to be the case.
I do have one question, however. Suppose that a Muslim wished to live according to the tenets of Sharia, but in a land where Sharia was not installed as the system of temporal government. What would prevent a Muslim from doing this?
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Originally posted by Logic:
Is it impossible for the Islamophobes to even read the article?!
I'll even quote it once more to make sure you'll see it.
I'm not an Islamophobe, I think Islam is great. However, there are points in Sharia that I have issues with. The death penalty for adultery is one of them.
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Originally posted by MacNStein:
I'm not an Islamophobe, I think Islam is great. However, there are points in Sharia that I have issues with. The death penalty for adultery is one of them.
Yes, and that would not be applicable in this situation. So what's the problem?
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Originally posted by Logic:
Islamophobes
meh. Zimphire you can make a more appropriate response than that. Raise the discussion rather than stoop to it.
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Originally posted by Logic:
Yes, and that would not be applicable in this situation. So what's the problem?
I bring that up because there will be those who will try to enforce such a law, despite what the "law of the land" says.
"Islamic Law says so, so we'll just do it anyway".
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Originally posted by Logic:
Yes, and that would not be applicable in this situation. So what's the problem?
I guess what I'm wondering is, what's the point? If this is just an implementation of Sharia that abides by Canadian law, then why not just follow the Camadian law and settle disputes in Canadian courts? I'd ask the same question about the Jewish courts.
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Originally posted by MacNStein:
I bring that up because there will be those who will try to enforce such a law, despite what the "law of the land" says.
"Islamic Law says so, so we'll just do it anyway".
So?
They'll be charged by Canadian laws for murder and conspiracy to commit murder. If you are so against this, what do you think about the Jewish courts that are allowed?
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Originally posted by MacNStein:
The death penalty for adultery is one of them.
Why? Would that really screw you over? (No pun intended, nor offence. I'm just kiddin  )
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Originally posted by itai195:
I guess what I'm wondering is, what's the point? If this is just an implementation of Sharia that abides by Canadian civil law, then why not just follow the civil law? I'd ask the same question about the Jewish courts.
Because marriage, divorces and other such things could be settled there in a true Islamic way.
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Originally posted by MacNStein:
I bring that up because there will be those who will try to enforce such a law, despite what the "law of the land" says.
"Islamic Law says so, so we'll just do it anyway".
They may try, but we are not going to be accomplices of murders.
There is no Death Penalty in Canada and it will stay that way for sometime.
Edited for shameful typos.
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Originally posted by Logic:
Because marriage, divorces and other such things could be settled there in a true Islamic way.
But can't you do that anyway? If two muslims want to divorce they handle it the "Islamic way" first and if the outcome is a divorce they divorce and if it's not a divorce they don't divorce.
Catholics can not divorce for example. And if they want to live a real catholic life then they simple don't divorce. Where does that require a change in law?
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Originally posted by TETENAL:
But can't you do that anyway? If two muslims want to divorce they handle it the "Islamic way" first and if the outcome is a divorce they divorce and if it's not a divorce they don't divorce.
Catholics can not divorce for example. And if they want to live a real catholic life then they simple don't divorce. Where does that require a change in law?
Because there are rules on how the money is divided and what happens to the kids etc that are very different from how it's done in "regular" laws.
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Originally posted by Logic:
Because marriage, divorces and other such things could be settled there in a true Islamic way.
Marriage can already occur in a religious ceremony. And it hardly sounds like they want to handle divorce in a true Islamic way, since they mention prenuptial agreements. I would be fine with allowing some variation in how processes and procedures are carried out to account for religious customs, but beyond that it seems kind of pointless to me. If they change the law around to account for the equality of women, would it really qualify as Sharia law?
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Originally posted by Logic:
So?
They'll be charged by Canadian laws for murder and conspiracy to commit murder. If you are so against this, what do you think about the Jewish courts that are allowed?
I don't believe that those courts should be allowed either.
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Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Why? Would that really screw you over? (No pun intended, nor offence. I'm just kiddin )
Nope, I've never commited adultery (and never plan to).
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Originally posted by Logic:
Because there are rules on how the money is divided and what happens to the kids etc that are very different from how it's done in "regular" laws.
If both partners agree, they are pretty free on how divide the money and children. So if they wanted to they could handle the divorce according to Islamic way first and then both agree on that decision.
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I think Islamic law can only be exercised in a theocracy. Canada is a democracy so it can not be introduced there.
Whoever wants Islamic law is free to move to one of the many theocracies that exercise it.
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From the linked article:
Under Sharia law a woman is worth half a man.
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Originally posted by itai195:
If they change the law around to account for the equality of women, would it really qualify as Sharia law?
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (one who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (Qur'an 49:13)
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Originally posted by MacNStein:
Nope, I've never commited adultery (and never plan to).
So you are married to all the women you've dated(had sex) with? Or am I misunderstanding what adultery is?
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Originally posted by TETENAL:
If both partners agree, they are pretty free on how divide the money and children. So if they wanted to they could handle the divorce according to Islamic way first and then both agree on that decision.
Sort of like how both partners can agree on how the money should be divided and who should have the children in "regular" divorces?
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Originally posted by Logic:
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (one who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (Qur'an 49:13)
Then why does almost every implementation in existence treat men and women unequally?
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Originally posted by placebo1969:
From the linked article:
That was the opinion of a woman interviewed in the article. Not the holy truth.
Read the verse I posted above.
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Originally posted by itai195:
Then why does almost every implementation in existence treat men and women unequally?
Culture and that men have dominated societies for ages. Just like men and women have been treated unequally in every society in the world(well, 99% of them) up until today.
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Originally posted by Logic:
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (one who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (Qur'an 49:13)
No disrespect against the Qur'an, but that passage isn't very convincing regarind equality. Not to mention if I were to quote Leviticus to "prove" or "support" sexual mores hear, I would be lambasted.
BTW--I just got married. No way men and woman are equal. Woman are way more equal than men.
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Originally posted by Logic:
Culture and that men have dominated societies for ages. Just like men and women have been treated unequally in every society in the world(well, 99% of them) up until today.
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are inherently patriarchal, leading to inevitable abuses of equality, and forming one more reason for separation of church and state. A true Orthodox Jewish law would also treat men and women unequally.
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Originally posted by MacNStein:
I'm not an Islamophobe, I think Islam is great. However, there are points in Sharia that I have issues with. The death penalty for adultery is one of them.
Speaking of which: How's it going, btw? 
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Originally posted by placebo1969:
No disrespect against the Qur'an, but that passage isn't very convincing regarind equality. Not to mention if I were to quote Leviticus to "prove" or "support" sexual mores hear, I would be lambasted.
BTW--I just got married. No way men and woman are equal. Woman are way more equal than men.
I'm sorry but I won't post everything in the Quran on equality. There's enough in there to prove my point.
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Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are inherently patriarchal, leading to inevitable abuses of equality, and forming one more reason for separation of church and state. A true Orthodox Jewish law would also treat men and women unequally.
In what way is Islam patriarchal?
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Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Speaking of which: How's it going, btw?
How's what going?
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