[LoganCharles]

And those who need some reassurance of the greatness that is America:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...&printer=1

[Zimphire]

Indeed.

[MindFad]

I hate to contribute nothing to this conversation, but...

HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH Holy ****, and you're serious, huh?

[vmpaul]

I don't know about any of that but I won $5 because he said "girlie-man".

I just knew he'd say it.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by MindFad:
I hate to contribute nothing to this conversation, but...

[LoganCharles]

Yep looks like a girlyman to me.

[phoenixboy70]

When I was a boy, the Soviets occupied part of Austria. I saw their tanks in the streets. I saw communism with my own eyes. I remember the fear we had when we had to cross into the Soviet sector. Growing up, we were told, "Don't look the soldiers in the eye. Look straight ahead." It was a common belief that Soviet soldiers could take a man out of his own car and ship him off to the Soviet Union as slave labor.

Oh, pluheez.

wtf is he talking about? austria in part socialist? slave labor?

i think he took too many steroids in the 80s...fu<ked with his memory...

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
Oh, pluheez.

wtf is he talking about? austria in part socialist? slave labor?

i think he took too many steroids in the 80s...fu<ked with his memory...

Ever live there?

[JohnSmith68]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
Oh, pluheez.

wtf is he talking about? austria in part socialist? slave labor?

i think he took too many steroids in the 80s...fu<ked with his memory...

i think the extensive child prostitution and immigrant smuggling networks in modern day eastern europe make slave labour seem pale in comparison.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by LoganCharles:



Yep looks like a girlyman to me.

It's Mega Man: girly and fun.

[LoganCharles]

Man girlymen look alike.

[MindFad]

Go, Al!

[LoganCharles]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Go, Al!

Yeah, he's just about to bitchslap some dude. Must be that time of the month, eh?

[MindFad]

Originally posted by LoganCharles:
Yeah, he's just about to bitchslap some dude. Must be that time of the month, eh?

You should've posted the menacing shot of him pointing his finger. And being a girlyman, menstruation is the likely culprit.

I wonder what the guy said to get Al so riled up, or if he even was that riled up. For all we know he just walked over, yelled something at him, did a little finger-pointing, and walked off. I'll be sure to refresh FudgeReport every 5 seconds to stay on top of things!

[gerbnl]

Originally posted by LoganCharles:
And those who need some reassurance of the greatness that is America:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...&amp;printer=1

Ok, i opened your topic only to find out that i've been deceived, that there was nothing to read but a silly advertisement for yet another link and now i hate america even more...

PS: that image you posted is too big and fscking up the layout of this page. I hope you'll get banned for it...

[Atomic Rooster]

I aum da Turmanador awn I gropen zee womence. Yew peeple ahrrre awl goorlymen, ya.

Voten zee Boosh yew swinehountz!

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally posted by LoganCharles:
Man girlymen look alike.

Post yo pic.

[Spheric Harlot]

Logan, I'm disappointed.

Even PacHead got the memo and now refers to "Bush-haters" rather than "America-haters".

I know you're slow, but please, try to keep up.

[Troll]

Talk about gaps in the logic: According to Arnie logic: America won the Cold War, freed Austria from slavery and therefore you should vote for George Bush.

Notice how Arnie fails to mention that the Dad and Uncle he was afraid would be taken away from him were both Nazis and that their country and the party they belonged to specifically was responsible for the massacre of 19 million Russian people!

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Even PacHead got the memo and now refers to "Bush-haters" rather than "America-haters".

What is this fictitious memo you speak of ? I have received no such thing, and I do not refer to "America-haters" as "Bush-haters" now. Those are two different groups, though certain people can certainly qualify for both. They are nonetheless different, and they both do exist.

And just how old is mindfad ? Isn't there like a PG 13 + requirement to join up here or something ?

[Troll]

I just read that whole speech. I can't believe anyone with half a brain cell would be taken by it. Was it particularly well delivered because on content I'd give it an F-!

[Millennium]

I really wish he'd stop with the "girlie-man" thing. It might have been appropriate in the late 80s, when people would have actually gotten the SNL reference, but it just doesn't work now. The childish insults toward Democrats aren't productive either.

However, the actual content of the speech was pretty good. It would have driven the point home so much better if he hadn't felt the need to throw in the insults.

[ebuddy]

I agree with you Troll, I thought last night's convention was a disaster. First of all, you have some lame-duck protestor right in front of Cheney's box at the convention. A big for security on that bad boy.

Then you have Bush's daughters, who I happen to believe are both extremely attractive and could've lent a lot of credibility to how they've been raised yet "bimbo" and "teeni-bop" seems to be the angle of choice??? They had no business on stage. Not at all.

Laura Bush was fantastic. But then, maybe I'm just saying that because she's a hottie.

Arnold is Arnold. I'm not sure what I think of him. He's supposedly done much in California and is starting to change some West Coast minds regarding what conservative policy can actually do if allowed to fruition many believe. The whole "economic girlyman" platform is not necessarily a platform you can sink your teeth into however.

I'm sorry last night's convention was the publicized event. I'm hoping most caught night one of the convention. A far more moving event IMHO.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by ebuddy:
Laura Bush was fantastic. But then, maybe I'm just saying that because she's a hottie.

ewwwwwww. how old are?

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by PacHead:
What is this fictitious memo you speak of ? I have received no such thing, and I do not refer to "America-haters" as "Bush-haters" now.

Oh.

My apologies.

I saw you refer to "Bush-haters" in another thread and mistakenly assumed you'd grown up.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by ebuddy:
Laura Bush was fantastic. But then, maybe I'm just saying that because she's a hottie.

ok, that made me lose my breakfast...10.3 on the vomit scale.
the only thing worse it when Dole made those viagra commercials. I don't want to hear about the sex lives of octegenarians, and how they can now "get it up" thanks to medical science.

[RonnieoftheRose]

This whole 'First Lady' thing with their big hair and colorful clothes trying to look like some sort of latter day Jackie Kennedy is so weird. I'm sure they are built in factories somewhere in China.

And what is it with Presidents? Grey hair, side parting, clean shaven. Is there a factory that produces them too?

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Isn't there like a PG 13 + requirement to join up here or something ?

Obviously not, otherwise this forum would barely get any traffic at all.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
Obviously not, otherwise this forum would barely get any traffic at all.

[OldManMac]

Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
This whole 'First Lady' thing with their big hair and colorful clothes trying to look like some sort of latter day Jackie Kennedy is so weird. I'm sure they are built in factories somewhere in China.

And what is it with Presidents? Grey hair, side parting, clean shaven. Is there a factory that produces them too?

+

[Mr. Bob]

Funny, I still do not understand why some people hate America. You would think after we surgically removed Hitler’s boot from half of the world’s ass, and the Showa Empire’s boot from the other half of the world’s ass, and then removed Stalin’s boot from half of the world’s ass after we de-bootified the world before, people would at least, not hate us.

But, people forget too easily.

[badidea]

Originally posted by Mr. Bob:
Funny, I still do not understand why some people hate America. You would think after we surgically removed Hitler’s boot from half of the world’s ass, and the Showa Empire’s boot from the other half of the world’s ass, and then removed Stalin’s boot from half of the world’s ass after we de-bootified the world before, people would at least, not hate us.

But, people forget too easily.

You now successfully earned a free ticket to finally be evil!

[LoganCharles]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
ok, that made me lose my breakfast...10.3 on the vomit scale.
the only thing worse it when Dole made those viagra commercials. I don't want to hear about the sex lives of octegenarians, and how they can now "get it up" thanks to medical science.

Laura Bush is fairly attractive. She's kept herself in shape compared to other first ladies. The reason most people become unattractive in older age is they get flubby and wrinkly.

You just don't like her because you're jealous that she gets it on with W.

[TubaMuffins]

how dare Arnold talk about decency?

[itai195]

I read the speech, but am not sure what I was supposed to get out of it... Not much substance there.

And Laura Bush? Please, she has to be the most wooden first lady we've had in recent years. No personality.

[eklipse]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...&amp;printer=1

What a load of horse shît.

Schwarzenegger must be an extremely weak/simple minded fool to believe that garbage.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by eklipse:
What a load of horse shît.

Schwarzenegger must be an extremely weak/simple minded fool to believe that garbage.

Because YOU said so, by G*D!

[eklipse]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Because YOU said so, by G*D!

It's called 'having an opinion'.....

[Millennium]

Originally posted by eklipse:
It's called 'having an opinion'.....

Whence does it come, then? What information are you basing your opinion on, assuming that your opinion is, in fact, informed?

[PacHead]

Arnold gave an excellent speech last night, and of course the "other side" will say anything, including lie, inorder to make him look bad. Ain't gonna work. Bush is looking pretty damn strong at the moment, and frankly, the USA haters, Bush haters simply don't know how to reply to this.

[Luca Rescigno]

Jerk. Just because I hate George Bush doesn't mean I hate America. I love America. This is a great country, and it can be even greater if we oust this self-serving asshole.

[PacHead]

Hey genius, I already wrote in another thread that not all Bush haters are America haters. Some people fall into one of those categories, and some people fall under both.

No reason to get all defensive.

[phoenixboy70]

look people, arnold is an extremely talented, and strong willed person. i wouldn't say that he lied in his speech, but he seriously exaggerated and appealed to nothing more than the emotions (something that should be easy for him to do, thanks to his experience in the (action) film world).

the fact is, his message is weak. "i can do it, so anybody else can too." bla blah blah, errrr-NO! not everybody is the governator and not everybody has his talent or wants to look like him.

personally, i'm happy for him, and what he has achieved in his life is nothing short of stellar. but in the end, his is a very individual and unique story. hardly indicative of what most immigrants, and, dare i say, most americans experience on a daily basis.

nice show arnie, next...

[LoganCharles]

Originally posted by itai195:
I read the speech, but am not sure what I was supposed to get out of it... Not much substance there.

And Laura Bush? Please, she has to be the most wooden first lady we've had in recent years. No personality.

So you'd rather have this?:



Mrs. Bush understands the understated nature of being First Lady.

[itai195]

Originally posted by LoganCharles:
So you'd rather have this?:

Mrs. Bush understands the understated nature of being First Lady.

No of course not... aggressive women with opinions are scary!

[eklipse]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Whence does it come, then? What information are you basing your opinion on, assuming that your opinion is, in fact, informed?

The information comes from Arnold's own mouth - he attempts to connect disconnected issues in order to form a convincing argument; he talks about no longer living under the fear of the Soviet boot whilst in fact, today, many live under the US boot; he relates his love of 'American' principles and values, apparently oblivious to American infringements on these values in other parts of the world; he attempts to paint the Republican party as holding the monopoly on ideals that in reality most people would aspire to - but usually disagree as to how to achieve them; he generally promotes the idea that a persons success and prosperity can be influenced by their country of residence - which I disagree with....

I dunno....the whole speech just seemed like a gross, hypocritical, simplification to me.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
the fact is, his message is weak. "i can do it, so anybody else can too." bla blah blah, errrr-NO! not everybody is the governator and not everybody has his talent or wants to look like him.

personally, i'm happy for him, and what he has achieved in his life is nothing short of stellar. but in the end, his is a very individual and unique story. hardly indicative of what most immigrants, and, dare i say, most americans experience on a daily basis.

Not all Americans want to become bodybuilders or actors. Indeed, not everyone has talent in these things, and Arnold was not trying to say that they can or should.

What Arnold was trying to say is that anyone in the US can live a confortable life, if they so choose. It's a matter of finding something you're good at, developing your skills in it (something which sometimes, but not always, requires formal education or training), finding a way to get paid for it, and then -and this is the important part, but the one most people slip up on- not giving up until you've got it.

No, not everyone can be fabulously wealthy, but frankly that's irrelevant. Everyone can, however, be comfortable. It's all a matter of being willing to do what it takes, whatever that might mean for you. That is Arnold's point.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by eklipse:
he generally promotes the idea that a persons success and prosperity can be influenced by their country of residence - which I disagree with....

Move to Somalia, and drop me a line when you have made it big.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by eklipse:
he generally promotes the idea that a persons success and prosperity can be influenced by their country of residence - which I disagree with....

Do you mean 'can', or 'should'?

Of course a person's success or prosperity can be influenced by country of residence. As others have posted, it's hard to get a break in countries where barriers are set up to what a person can think, do, or earn. Somalia, to use PacHead's example, is an excellent example. The old Soviet Union was another example, back during its time. And let's not forget the great grandaddy of them all: feudal Europe (note that I said feudal, not modern).

Is is actually the country which does the influencing, though, or the system under which the country runs? It's really the system which matters. Traditionally, Republicans see the US as having a strong implementation of such a system, and they seem themselves as being guardians of this system against those who would harm it, intentionally or otherwise.

Up to now, I've only stated what is. The real question is, should all of this be the case? That is what I think you were trying to talk about, and if so, I'm up for debate. If not, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Everyone can, however, be comfortable.

that's the point though. everybody "can" be comfortable has nothing to do with politics, or america, for that matter.