[typoon]

I think it's about time the world stopped condemning Israel when they go after these terrorists from Hamas and Hezbullah and let them destroy them once and for all. Israel puts up a Wall and they get condemning, they go after terrorists the world condemns them, they surrond Arafat's compund and they get condemned, what's with the world hating on Israel. They are trying to defend their own people from terrorism.

Why is it that the world never seems to condemns the terrorists when they do something in Israel but the Israeli's get condemned when they do something to these scumbag terrorists?

Israel Warns PA, Hizballah, Syria Against Supporting Terrorism

I wonder what the rest of the world will say to the statments made by the army official "The terrorists who attack Israel will "not sleep soundly," an Israeli army official said on Wednesday."

Or to Army chief of staff Lt.-Gen. Moshe Ya'alon was quoted as saying that Israel will "take care of those who support terror," a remark interpreted to mean that Israel will once again target the leadership of terrorist organizations.

I hope they do take care of those who support terror once and for all.

Edited for wording change.

[Zimphire]

[badidea]

Originally posted by typoon:
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Why is it that the world never seems to criticize the terrorists when they do something in Israel but the Israeli's get criticized when they do something to these scumbag terrorists?
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I don't know what the world does and I also don't know why your government does not criticize terrorists but the german government does not criticize terrorists because they condemn them!!
They only criticize friends when they are doing something wrong!

[typoon]

Originally posted by badidea:
I don't know what the world does and I also don't know why your government does not criticize terrorists but the german government does not criticize terrorists because they condemn them!!
They only criticize friends when they are doing something wrong!

Either way, What is the use of Condemning them if nothing is done about them? the world condemns Israel for much more than it seems like it condemns the terrorists. Stop the condemning and let Israel take care of business. I used a poor choice of words on that and should have used condemn instead of criticize.

[Taliesin]

Are you somehow talking about the attack in Israel by suicidebombers a day ago, in which 16-20 Israelis died? Israel was so proud that they finally managed to bring the palestinians to their knees, in the belief they couldn't retaliate anymore, and because of that self-delusion, Israel has killed more than 300 palestinian civilians in the last few months and lots of resistance-leaders, not to forget the destruction of homes and infrastructure in Gaza as well as harvests.

And now after the palestinians dared to retaliate, Israel and the pro-Israel-crowd is crying foul!

What is the word that is trying to form itself on my tongue: H I P O C R I S I S!

Taliesin

[Zimphire]

Fact is, Israel would have no reason to go after them if they would stop the attacks. The Palestinians don't want to stop the attacks. So they get slapped back harder.

This all could stop if the Palestinian terrorists would just stop.

The Palestinian sympathizers wont admit that though. Because that would be saying they aren't equally bad.

They are deluding themselves on purpose.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Fact is, Israel would have no reason to go after them if they would stop the attacks.

There had been no attacks by the Palestinians for five months. Israel re-started the cycle of violence a few days ago when they badly wounded a Palestinian child.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
There had been no attacks by the Palestinians for five months. Israel re-started the cycle of violence a few days ago when they badly wounded a Palestinian child.

LBK I know you are a smart gal. Put it into perspective.

Originally posted by dcolton:
So the Israeli's miss a car full of terrorists and unintentionally injure a little girl. Is this justification for the latest round of terrorist attacks?

[Logic]

Perhaps when Israel starts taking care of their own terrorists and mass-murderers people will give Israel the chance to prove themselves. But no, Israel has on a couple of occasions elected known terrorists and Israel has elected a man for prime-minister that has bee found guilty of a massacre. No way we should give them any chances before they start acting like the civilised nation they claim to be. And to think that this nation wants to join the EU..........

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Logic:
Perhaps when Israel starts taking care of their own terrorists and mass-murderers people will give Israel the chance to prove themselves. But no, Israel has on a couple of occasions elected known terrorists and Israel has elected a man for prime-minister that has bee found guilty of a massacre. No way we should give them any chances before they start acting like the civilised nation they claim to be. And to think that this nation wants to join the EU..........

Heh, If Israel wasn't civilized, Palestine would be gone. COMPLETELY.

Be glad Israel has civility.

If the people fighting against Israel had the power to destroy it, it would be gone by now.

Again, perspective. Israel isn't the bad guy here.

[itai195]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
There had been no attacks by the Palestinians for five months. Israel re-started the cycle of violence a few days ago when they badly wounded a Palestinian child.

I suppose. But perhaps terrorists should stop hiding within densely populated areas.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by itai195:
I suppose. But perhaps terrorists should stop hiding within densely populated areas.

On purpose.

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Fact is, Israel would have no reason to go after them if they would stop the attacks.

Fact is the palestinians wouldn't have a reason to retaliate when Israel would stop terrorising and killing palestinian civilians.

It's not possible to look at what the israelic army has commited in the last few months in Gaza and Westbank: 300 killed palestinian civilians, hundreds of homes, infrastructure as well as harvests destroyed, again expropriating land and start building a wall on foreign territory, assassinating political leaders of resistance-groups, without thinking that retaliation would follow.

Taliesin

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Taliesin:
Fact is the palestinians wouldn't have a reason to retaliate when Israel would stop terrorising and killing palestinian civilians.

Well that's a load of crap. Many terrorists organizations have said they will not stop till Israel is GONE! Meaning if Israel stops attacking, they still wont stop. Until Israel is pushed off into the sea.

So no that above statement of yours is wrong. As usual.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Many terrorists organizations have said they will not stop till Israel is GONE! Meaning if Israel stops attacking, they still wont stop.

Except that despite Israel's continued strikes against the Palestinian territories, the militants did stop, for five months. There is only a limited amount of time you can expect them to sit quiet and not retaliate while Israel continues to murder Palestinian civilians.

[itai195]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Except that despite Israel's continued strikes against the Palestinian territories, the militants did stop, for five months. There is only a limited amount of time you can expect them to sit quiet and not retaliate while Israel continues to murder Palestinian civilians.

Except that that doesn't appear to be the motivation for the attack.

From Ha'aretz:

All Hamas activists who gave interviews yesterday to Arab media outlets declared that this attack was vengeance for the assassination of their leaders, but their words betrayed signs of defensiveness over criticism directed at them for hurting civilians. Critics included Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia, who said the attacks provide ammunition to enemies of the Palestinian people. "The attack does not do service to the Palestinian problem," said Qureia, who was in Cairo to prepare for today's meeting in Ramallah between Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit and General Omar Suleiman with PA Chairman Yasser Arafat.

And another interesting part:

A relatively small number of terrorists have originated in Hebron, and Israeli security forces maintain a broad intelligence network in the city. As a result, the IDF in recent weeks removed a number of roadblocks and checkpoints in and around the city, and Hebron's commercial life returned to nearly normal.

... until this attack, and now the checkpoints and roadblocks will surely return.

[PacHead]

Israel really needs to wipe these scum out. They have my full support.

[eklipse]

The radical Zionist scum needs to go first.

[nforcer]

Re: Condeming without enforcement: typical UN policy.
Re: Israel / Palestine: typical vicious cycle.
Re: Let Israel take care of business: I agree. They have reason to get rid of terrorists. They've asked others to control their radicals, but nothing seems to be done on the other end.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by eklipse:
The radical Zionist scum needs to go first.

The Palestinian terrorists aren't attacking "radical zionists"

[eklipse]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
The Palestinian terrorists aren't attacking "radical zionists"

They are attacking their supporters - pretty much the same thing.

[Logic]

Originally posted by eklipse:
They are attacking their supporters - pretty much the same thing.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by eklipse:
They are attacking their supporters - pretty much the same thing.

No, no they aren't. Trying to protect Israel in not Zionism.

Lets put this in even more perspective.

[Logic]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No, no they aren't. Trying to protect Israel in not Zionism.

Study history. Israel is founded on Zionism......

[eklipse]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No, no they aren't. Trying to protect Israel in not Zionism.

Grabbing land is.

Lets put this in even more perspective.

So it's okay to oppress people because some other guys (who happen to follow the same religion as the majority of the oppressed people) have some land. Right. No flaw in that logic. None at all.

[Zimphire]

The land grabbing started because of the attacks from Palestine

Must we go through this again?

The same old tired excuses by the same old Palestinian terrorist excuse makers.

Those of us who aren't blinded by "the cause" know that the Pali terrorists wont stop till Israel is gone.

And since we know Israel isn't going anywhere, something is going to go down before long.

And I know which side is more equipped.

[Logic]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
The land grabbing started because of the attacks from Palestine

Must we go through this again?

The same old tired excuses by the same old Palestinian terrorist excuse makers.

Those of us who aren't blinded by "the cause" know that the Pali terrorists wont stop till Israel is gone.

And since we know Israel isn't going anywhere, something is going to go down before long.

And I know which side is more equipped.

1. Wrong

2. Seems so.

3. was that a personal attack?

4. You're just blinded by Zionist propaganda.

5. Good, that will bring the end of the nation called "Israel"

6. And I know what side will fight with their hearts and soul and that will never surrender to the imperialist pigs called "Israelis"

[Zimphire]

Typical response. And no it wasn't a personal attack unless you consider siding with the Palestinians bad.

Wake up Logic. Israel isn't going anywhere.

The more these punks attack Israel, the more support Israel will gather.

[Logic]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Typical response. And no it wasn't a personal attack unless you consider siding with the Palestinians bad.

Wake up Logic. Israel isn't going anywhere.

The more these punks attack Israel, the more support Israel will gather.

Siding with Palestinians?

The same old tired excuses by the same old Palestinian terrorist excuse makers.

Spin and backtrack away.

Israel isn't going anywhere in the next months no. But Justice will sort this out soon enough.

Maybe from it's bitches in the west that never have been able to worry about their own damn good. The rest of the world think Israel asked for it. We don't like it, but it's no worse than the constant massacres and slaughter of civilians that "Israels" Zionist pig dogs are responsible for.

[itai195]

Originally posted by Logic:
5. Good, that will bring the end of the nation called "Israel"

Searchy searchy :

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
So, just to be clear. You endorse his goal of the destruction of the State of Israel?

Originally posted by Logic:
No, I don't endorse that goal of his.

Logic, I daresay you've become more extreme in your views these last few months... and I recall you were receiving quite a bit of flack for your opinions even in the thread I linked to.

And I noticed the resounding silence I received from everyone (except Zimph) regarding my suggestion above: if terrorists care so much about civilian casualties, then why are they hiding amongst civilian populations?

[eklipse]

Originally posted by itai195:
I suppose. But perhaps terrorists should stop hiding within densely populated areas.

One could just as easily ask why supporters of the Israeli government don't distinguish/separate themselves from 'peace-loving Israelis'.

[Logic]

Originally posted by itai195:
Searchy searchy :


Logic, I daresay you've become more extreme in your views these last few months... and I recall you were receiving quite a bit of flack for your opinions even in the thread I linked to.

And I noticed the resounding silence I received from everyone (except Zimph) regarding my suggestion above: if terrorists care so much about civilian casualties, then why are they hiding amongst civilian populations?

If Israel start another war they deserve to be destroyed. If they start to behave they can continue to exist.

And yes, I've become more extreme because I've had enough with how Israel behaves and the world does nothing. How many massacres, slaughter of civilians and endless brutality will it take before the world decides to do something about it?

Hide amongst civilians? They live there. Just like former, current and future Israeli soldier live amongst civilians. Nobody complains about that do they?

[itai195]

Originally posted by eklipse:
One could just as easily ask why supporters of the Israeli government don't distinguish/separate themselves from 'peace-loving Israelis'.

Supporters of the Israeli government aren't the ones flying around in helicopters shooting missiles into buildings. Military establishments tend to be clearly distinct from the surrounding civilian population for a reason.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by itai195:
Supporters of the Israeli government aren't the ones flying around in helicopters shooting missiles into buildings. Military establishments tend to be clearly distinct from the surrounding civilian population for a reason.

Is there really a huge difference between flying around in helicopters, shooting missiles and supporting the people who fly around in helicopters, shooting missiles?

Is Israel not a democracy?

[itai195]

Originally posted by eklipse:
Is there really a huge difference between flying around in helicopters, shooting missiles and supporting the people who fly around in helicopters, shooting missiles?

Is Israel not a democracy?

Is there a difference between 4 terrorists in a car and the little girl whose family supports their cause?

[Logic]

Originally posted by itai195:
Is there a difference between 4 terrorists in a car and the little girl whose family supports their cause?

I think the US and Israeli term for the difference is "unfortunate collateral damage".

[itai195]

Originally posted by Logic:
I think the US and Israeli term for the difference is "unfortunate collateral damage".

What is the Arab term for the difference?

[Logic]

Originally posted by itai195:
What is the Arab term for the difference?

I don't speak that much Arabic so I don't know. But aren't they allowed to think the same as Israel and the US when it comes to this?

[itai195]

Originally posted by Logic:
I don't speak that much Arabic so I don't know. But aren't they allowed to think the same as Israel and the US when it comes to this?

They are, but I'm asking if they do.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Logic:
If Israel start another war they deserve to be destroyed. If they start to behave they can continue to exist.

Tell me Logic. When was the last time they started one?

Going after terrorists isn't "starting war"

And yes, I've become more extreme because I've had enough with how Israel behaves and the world does nothing. How many massacres, slaughter of civilians and endless brutality will it take before the world decides to do something about it?

Because most people aren't brainwashed. THEY FEEL SORRY for what is going on down there with Israel.

[Logic]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Tell me Logic. When was the last time they started one?
[/B]

1982 war against Lebanon. That is the last "formal" war, and not the continuous war on the Palestinian people.

[Myrkridia]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Tell me Logic. When was the last time they started one?

Going after terrorists isn't "starting war"

What was that again? I remember it on the news. Something about a war..on terror..or something?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Logic:
not the continuous war on the Palestinian terrorists.

Fixed.

[deomacius]

Originally posted by Logic:
We don't like it, but it's no worse than the constant massacres and slaughter of civilians that "Israels" Zionist pig dogs are responsible for.

Now that's the muslim attitude I've come to know and love!

A Zionist.

[Logic]

Originally posted by deomacius:
Now that's the muslim attitude I've come to know and love!

A Zionist.

So what's wrong with that attitude. I said I don't like it and that I don't think it is any worse than what the Zionist pigs are doing on a daily basis in Palestine. So what don't you like about me not liking the continuous slaughter of innocent civilians.

I know Zionists see no problem with killing and torturing innocent children as long as they are not Jews(and to a lesser extent Christians), but I on the other hand think it's horrible when people start killing innocent civilians. <---- notice that I didn't add anything but ended the sentence there. Unlike the Zionist pigs that add "unless they were collateral damage". Thereby saying some are worth less than others. And they base it on race and/or religion. But Zionists have always been known for valuing people's lives differently based on religion and/or race. That is nothing new.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Logic:
I know Zionists see no problem with killing and torturing innocent children as long as they are not Jews(and to a lesser extent Christians),

Tell me Logic. How do you KNOW that?

You say "Zionist" as if it were something bad.

A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

HOW DARE THEY!

[itai195]

Originally posted by Logic:
I know Zionists see no problem with killing and torturing innocent children as long as they are not Jews(and to a lesser extent Christians), but I on the other hand think it's horrible when people start killing innocent civilians. <---- notice that I didn't add anything but ended the sentence there. Unlike the Zionist pigs that add "unless they were collateral damage". Thereby saying some are worth less than others. And they base it on race and/or religion. But Zionists have always been known for valuing people's lives differently based on religion and/or race. That is nothing new.

Do Arabs/Muslims make a distinction between deliberate killing and indeliberate killing of civilians? Do they make distinctions between different civilians?

You and eklipse make a distinction between Israelis who support the government and those who don't. Eklipse asked if there is really such a big difference between those who support the government, and those in the military who do the actual killing. I took that to imply he thinks deliberate killing of civilians who support the government is justifiable (in fact he said so explicitly in another post). So I ask you, would Israel be justified in deliberately killing civilians who support (materially or not) Palestinian terror? It's a simple yes/no question.

[Logic]

Originally posted by itai195:
So I ask you, would Israel be justified in deliberately killing civilians who support (materially or not) Palestinian terror? It's a simple yes/no question.

They already do that. And as long as they do that the Palestinians are fully justified in fighting back. The "Israelis" set down the rules for this war, and the Palestinians will continue to fight back according to those rules.

And the biggest difference is that one claims to be a democracy while the other isn't and that one uses it's state funded and controlled armed forces to do it while the other doesn't. The Israeli public could end this brutal oppression if they wanted to in the next elections. The Palestinians cannot because they are unable to hold free elections thanks to the brutal oppression.

So it isn't a simple yes or no question because we are talking about two different things. But if these are the laws of this war then Israel has no right to complain when they get the same as they have been handing out 5 times as often to the Palestinian people.

[Zimphire]

Again Logic, the Palestinian terrorist STOP and Israel will have no reason to attack them.

BTW going after TERRORISTS that have no PLANS on stopping is not "starting"

No matter how badly you guys want it to be.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by Logic:
I know Zionists see no problem with killing and torturing innocent children as long as they are not Jews(and to a lesser extent Christians),

You "know" ??

What you think you know is not the truth.

Zionists do not kill or torture innocent children. Zionists have protected Christians. Meanwhile, Islamist Palestinians have driven Christians out of their ancestral homes in large numbers.

Nazareth and Bethlehem were once 80% Christian. It wasn't even that long ago. In recent years, Islamists have run Christians out of those towns so that they are now 80% Muslim.

Shoot, it was in these forums we discussed the Muslim Palestinian terrorists who killed a Christian Arab boy and then apologized, they meant to kill a Jew.

but I on the other hand think it's horrible when people start killing innocent civilians. <---- notice that I didn't add anything but ended the sentence there. Unlike the Zionist pigs that add "unless they were collateral damage". Thereby saying some are worth less than others. And they base it on race and/or religion. But Zionists have always been known for valuing people's lives differently based on religion and/or race. That is nothing new.

Zionists are the ones valuing life differently? Explain dhimmi to us again. It values every non-Muslim as non-citizens, basically to be barely tolerated.