[Axo1ot1]

Interesting reading. Memorize it.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

[wataru]

Oh, didn't you know? Bush had that part removed last week.


(So are we looking at a lock here, or will this thread be moved to the political lounge?)

[PacHead]

Your first amendment rights have been revoked, because this thread goes against the MacNN constitution, but leftists aren't that good in following rules apparently.

[OldManMac]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Your first amendment rights have been revoked, because this thread goes against the MacNN constitution, but leftists aren't that good in following rules apparently.

We're not particularly crazy about rightists changing the rules mid-stream.

[CD Hanks]

"The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, they're all just pieces of paper with signatures on them. And you know what a paper of paper with a signature is, a contract. Something that can be renegotiated at any time."

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

When the excuse is "war on terror" bush will do anything even if it means turning the USA in to the communist Russia.

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
When the excuse is "war on terror" bush will do anything even if it means turning the USA in to the communist Russia.

Jokes aside, there is a long way to go before the United States could even be considered that. But Canada seems to be a lot more on track with being all out socialist. So it's funny you should even make that quip.

[Captain Obvious]

What's with the moron brigade starting threads outside the political forum today.
Is the GOP convention making you all nuts like a dog on the 4th of July?

[Macfreak7]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
Jokes aside, there is a long way to go before the United States could even be considered that.*snip*

I really hope it's not too late before you wake up.

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by Macfreak7:
I really hope it's not too late before you wake up.

(Let the derail begin!)

See, this is where it gets interesting. Whereas some people would say how their lives have changed drastically as a result of 9/11 (and events after), none of these things have made any impact whatsoever on my life. 9/11, Patriot Act, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc have all had zero effect on me.

So, what is there really for me to wake up from? My life is alright, has had it's ups and downs, but it's the same (generally) as it was on Sept 10 2001.

Maybe I'm just the most apathetic person alive, but probably not. More like the fifth.

[rozwado1]

When I was watching the Olympics, they said the Turkish "comstitution" has an amendment that deals with government controlled fitness. Not sure what it entails, but they didn't have any fat divers.

[demograph68]

I need to smoke some



and forget this thread even happened!

[Macfreak7]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
(Let the derail begin!)

See, this is where it gets interesting. Whereas some people would say how their lives have changed drastically as a result of 9/11 (and events after), none of these things have made any impact whatsoever on my life. 9/11, Patriot Act, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc have all had zero effect on me.

So, what is there really for me to wake up from? My life is alright, has had it's ups and downs, but it's the same (generally) as it was on Sept 10 2001.

Maybe I'm just the most apathetic person alive, but probably not. More like the fifth.

So as long as your little world remains the way you want it to be you don't care about anything else?
I REALLY wish I could be that pathetically selfish.

[juanvaldes]

he's young.

[demograph68]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
Maybe I'm just the most apathetic person alive, but probably not. More like the fifth.

Perhaps you're just cynical instead of apathetic? If you were apathetic, you wouldn't be so bothered by this ****. I'm probably a little apathetic, depends on whether I feel like I can even make a diference socially, politically, spiritually, etc. I'm mostly cynical though.

[wataru]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
(Let the derail begin!)

See, this is where it gets interesting. Whereas some people would say how their lives have changed drastically as a result of 9/11 (and events after), none of these things have made any impact whatsoever on my life. 9/11, Patriot Act, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc have all had zero effect on me.

So, what is there really for me to wake up from? My life is alright, has had it's ups and downs, but it's the same (generally) as it was on Sept 10 2001.

Maybe I'm just the most apathetic person alive, but probably not. More like the fifth.

Cue that "first they took the so-and-so's, then the what's-their-names, and then there was no one left to defend me" quote.

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
Jokes aside, there is a long way to go before the United States could even be considered that. But Canada seems to be a lot more on track with being all out socialist. So it's funny you should even make that quip.

And they seem to be doing pretty well. Weird, huh?

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by Macfreak7:
So as long as your little world remains the way you want it to be you don't care about anything else?
I REALLY wish I could be that pathetically selfish.

Two things come to mind: I am far from being the only one that thinks like this and 2: Has any of this affected you?

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
he's young.

This much is true.

Originally posted by demograph68:
Perhaps you're just cynical instead of apathetic? If you were apathetic, you wouldn't be so bothered by this ****. I'm probably a little apathetic, depends on whether I feel like I can even make a diference socially, politically, spiritually, etc. I'm mostly cynical though.

True. I hadn't thought of that. Good point.

Originally posted by wataru:
And they seem to be doing pretty well. Weird, huh?

Perhaps. But it seems like most Americans (and Democrats/Liberals, to be specific) seem to make Canada out to be a place where all is good. What makes this humorous (to me at least) it that I know of several first hand accounts of people who were born in Canada, left because they didn't like it, moved to the United States, and have since become citizens. I'm not saying "USA > CANADA", because I'm not. I am saying though, is that most people who say "oh well Canada is a great place. no really. trust me." haven't lived there, or are SWG. Furthermore, like any modern country (Canada being the example), they undoubtedly have their share of problems to deal with.

[Macfreak7]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
Two things come to mind: I am far from being the only one that thinks like this and 2: Has any of this affected you?

So you'd rather be part of a majority, just like all those people using Windows? Oh and I'm guessing you're a windows user, only for games, otherwise you wouldn't be, right?
:edit: BTW, do you REALLY think that producing oil costs upto 10 or 15 bucks MORE than it did a year ago? Or is it just the dollar that's losing value? Do you drive? If yes, then it HAS affected you already and you're not even aware of it.

In a certain way it can be argued that it HAS affected me, not drasitcally. But like I said, that's arguable.

It's just sad to see the youth of a country behave like a bunch of impotent pricks who think they can't do sh*t in the time of a crisis.

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by Macfreak7:
So you'd rather be part of a majority, just like all those people using Windows? Oh and I'm guessing you're a windows user, only for games, otherwise you wouldn't be, right?

I fail to see the relevance of what computer I use to what political leaning I possess. But, you, like many mac users, try to make this odd comparason, so I'll cave in: Yes, I use a PC, and yes I like to play games on it (when I'm not getting some work done.) And while we're at it, I've used macs for the better part of my life, and have only switched to Windows over the past two years or so.

Originally posted by Macfreak7:
In a certain way it can be argued that it HAS affected me, not drasitcally. But like I said, that's arguable.

So go for it.

Originally posted by Macfreak7:
It's just sad to see the youth of a country behave like a bunch of impotent pricks who think they can't do sh*t in the time of a crisis.

Hey, just because I was born here and have citizenship doesn't make this my country. My generation didn't found it, neither did yours. Hell, it'd be the old folks that seem to be completely in charge of things. And don't give me that "well every vote counts" diatribe. It'd be nice if there was some paradigm shift-esque switch in power where everyone under 25 assumed some kind of authority, but that'll never happen.

edit:

Originally posted by Macfreak7:
:edit: BTW, do you REALLY think that producing oil costs upto 10 or 15 bucks MORE than it did a year ago? Or is it just the dollar that's losing value? Do you drive? If yes, then it HAS affected you already and you're not even aware of it.

I've seen the figures regarding inflation and gas prices, I'm not too concerned.

[demograph68]

[wataru]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
Perhaps. But it seems like most Americans (and Democrats/Liberals, to be specific) seem to make Canada out to be a place where all is good. What makes this humorous (to me at least) it that I know of several first hand accounts of people who were born in Canada, left because they didn't like it, moved to the United States, and have since become citizens. I'm not saying "USA > CANADA", because I'm not. I am saying though, is that most people who say "oh well Canada is a great place. no really. trust me." haven't lived there, or are SWG. Furthermore, like any modern country (Canada being the example), they undoubtedly have their share of problems to deal with.

That's reasonable. I just dislike it when people immediately dismiss ideas as being "socialist" and because "that's like Canada!" with the implication that we should avoid whatever Canada's doing.

[Macfreak7]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
I fail to see the relevance of what computer I use to what political leaning I possess. But, you, like many mac users, try to make this odd comparason, so I'll cave in: Yes, I use a PC, and yes I like to play games on it (when I'm not getting some work done.) And while we're at it, I've used macs for the better part of my life, and have only switched to Windows over the past two years or so.

My point was to falsify your idea that just because "you're not the only one" thinking like that doesn't make it OK. Many PeeCee users think the same way: "oh my school uses windows", "my work makes me use windows"... "therefore, i must buy windows!" B.S.

So go for it.

Go for what??

Hey, just because I was born here and have citizenship doesn't make this my country. My generation didn't found it, neither did yours. Hell, it'd be the old folks that seem to be completely in charge of things. And don't give me that "well every vote counts" diatribe. It'd be nice if there was some paradigm shift-esque switch in power where everyone under 25 assumed some kind of authority, but that'll never happen.

Firstly, there is a tacit agreement whether you like it or not, between you and your country. Secondly, whichever generation faught the American Revolution against Imperialism, did it FOR future generations(among other reasons), including YOU. I'm not asking you to vote, but instead create or at least become part of any movement, in order to create that paradigm shift for the future. It's not going to magically happen when some ants decide to build another mole hill. That's why you need to avoid being impotent.

edit:
I've seen the figures regarding inflation and gas prices, I'm not too concerned.

Do you have links to these figures? What was the inflation % rate? Compare that to the % rise in gas prices.

If you're still not satisfied think about America as a PRODUCER society that it was during the late 40's and 50's, ending around the late 60's, to the fat CONSUMER, PARASITIC society it has been recently.

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by Macfreak7:
[B]My point was to falsify your idea that just because "you're not the only one" thinking like that doesn't make it OK. Many PeeCee users think the same way: "oh my school uses windows", "my work makes me use windows"... "therefore, i must buy windows!" B.S.
[B]Go for what??
[B]Firstly, there is a tacit agreement whether you like it or not, between you and your country. Secondly, whichever generation faught the American Revolution against Imperialism, did it FOR future generations(among other reasons), including YOU. I'm not asking you to vote, but instead create or at least become part of any movement, in order to create that paradigm shift for the future. It's not going to magically happen when some ants decide to build another mole hill. That's why you need to avoid being impotent.
Do you have links to these figures? What was the inflation % rate? Compare that to the % rise in gas prices.

If you're still not satisfied think about America as a PRODUCER society that it was during the late 40's and 50's, ending around the late 60's, to the fat CONSUMER, PARASITIC society it has been recently.

I don't have the energy right now to go through this post point by point, so I'll just issue some blanket responses.

1) eh
2) Explain the argument.
3) I believe that if you subscribe too closely any current political party, it's the equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot.
4) Google for it. There have been a few studies on it.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
he's young.

Er ok Mr Born in 1981.

Why is it that leftists have a problem with finding the Political Lounge?

This is what, the 4th thread in the past 24 hours that a leftists has posted that doesn't belong here.

BTW the First amendment doesn't mean the President cannot speak about God, or pray. IF you think it does, you need to go back to school.