[PacHead]

I am not Hitler. I am not a racist. I am not a Nazi. I am not a fascist. Good, so now that we got that out of the way, the usual suspects don't need to accuse me of any crap and trying to derail this thread inorder to attempt to get it locked also. If you want to discuss all of those horrible Christian abortion bombers, then feel free to start your own thread, and don't ruin mine with any lame deflection attempts. I will have to assume that anybody attempting to derail this thread is an Al-Qaeda supporter.

I'm waiting for a "Care to back that up ?" comment from somebody, so here goes. I will back it up without a doubt.

These are the words of an Arab journalist.

The Associated Press
Updated: 6:32 a.m. ET Sept. 4, 2004

CAIRO, Egypt - Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism, a humiliating and painful truth that must be acknowledged, a prominent Arab writer and television executive wrote Saturday, as Middle East media and officials expressed horror at the bloody rebel siege of a Russian school.

Ok, now can we cut the crap about these terrorists not being Muslims ? Wake up people, stop making excuses.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5912071/

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by PacHead:
...I am not a fascist.

yes, (judging by the content of your posts over the last couple of months) you are.

[Spoogepieces]

People who call themselves Muslims are the main perpetrators. It isn't Muslims in general.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
yes, (judging by the content of your posts over the last couple of months) you are.

Yep, just like I said. There comes derail #1. And just like I wrote in my thread, I believe you are a Muslim terrorist supporter, and you were probably cheering on when those Russian school kids got slaughtered.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Spoogepieces:
People who call themselves Muslims are the main perpetrators. It isn't Muslims in general.

It's not people who call themselves Muslims. They are, just like the Muslim in the article states.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by PacHead:
And just like I wrote in my thread, I believe you are a Muslim terrorist supporter, and you were probably cheering on when those Russian school kids got slaughtered.

judging from the content of my posts, i didn't.

[phoenixboy70]

the main perpetrators of terrorism in this world are men.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
judging from the content of my posts, i didn't.

Whatever. I'm not going to reply to you anymore in this thread, because it is a tactic for getting it locked.

You didn't address my topic, just making stupid accusations about me being a fascist, and attempting to derail my thread.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
the main perpetrators of terrorism in this world are men.

Muslim men, and sometimes women and small children.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Muslim men, and sometimes women and small children.

still there are more christian male terrorists for example, than muslim women or children.

[PacHead]

I hope the mod does something about all these pathetic derialment attempts, besides just locking my 100% valid thread which I started.

[Spoogepieces]

If I call myself a Christian does it make me a Christian?

“You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims,”

[PacHead]

I am ignoring anybody who has the word "christian" in their post.

“Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,” Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, “The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!”

Let me spell it out once more:

The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!

[dgs212]

Purely out of curiousity, why would you take this particular "prominent Arab writer and television excutive" at his word (aside from the obvious fact that you happen to agree with his contention), rather than, say, an arab terrorist who claims to be fighting the great Satan?

What I'm getting at is that I think you're trying to portray an opinion as a fact, based on the flimdy premise that the source of the opinion is a member of the accused group. This is akin to believing a Republican who says Republicans are evil greedy racists, simply because it's a Republican saying it, i.e. if he says it about himself, it must be true! He may be wrong, he may be right. Without some sort of documentation of the number and ethnic/religious affiliation of all world terrorists (and just where would one get such data, and who is to decide who's a terrorist and who's a freedom fighter, etc.), I'm afraid this is purely opinion.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by dgs212:
Purely out of curiousity, why would you take this particular "prominent Arab writer and television excutive" at his word (aside from the obvious fact that you happen to agree with his contention), rather than, say, an arab terrorist who claims to be fighting the great Satan?

Oh, but you see, I agree with both this "prominent Arab writer" and I agree with an "arab terrorist who is fighting the great satan". I believe both of them, since they are in agreement, and so am I.

Both this Arab writer and an "arab terrorist" agrees that the terrorists are Muslims. Al-Qaeda calls themselves Muslims. Bin Laden is a Muslim. The only people who disagree with this is various terrorist apologists on this forum and other places.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by Spoogepieces:
People who call themselves Muslims are the main perpetrators. It isn't Muslims in general.

End of thread.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by eklipse:
End of thread.

That's what you wish, but it aint gonna work. I'm tired of people derailing my threads. The leftist mudslingers and thread destroyers shut down 2 of my threads in the past two days, and It's not like I start that many threads here to begin with.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by PacHead:
The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!

the painful truth: 99.9% of the world's terrorists are men with a religious affiliation.

[dgs212]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Oh, but you see, I agree with both this "prominent Arab writer" and I agree with an "arab terrorist who is fighting the great satan". I believe both of them, since they are in agreement, and so am I.

Both this Arab writer and an "arab terrorist" agrees that the terrorists are Muslims. Al-Qaeda calls themselves Muslims. Bin Laden is a Muslim. The only people who disagree with this is various terrorist apologists on this forum and other places.

But Al Qaeda does not view itself as a terrorist organization. In its (twisted) view, it is a collection of divinely inspired deliverers of justice.

All of which is beside the point. You simply cannot say that all terrorists are Muslim without, at the very least, conducting a count of all terrorists in the world and their various ethnic/religious affiliations. Taking that one step further, one might recognize that the term "terrorism" itself is rather loosely applied. That is, terrorism is always what "they" do to "us," never what "we" do to "them" (and indpendent of who the two groups are).

[yakkiebah]

100% of the terrorists are human.

cleansing time!

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by yakkiebah:
100% of the terrorists are human.

cleansing time!

[PacHead]

Originally posted by dgs212:
But Al Qaeda does not view itself as a terrorist organization. In its (twisted) view, it is a collection of divinely inspired deliverers of justice.

They might not view themselves as a terrorist organisation, but there is no doubt that they are Muslims.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by PacHead:
They might not view themselves as a terrorist organisation, but there is no doubt that they are Muslims.

Wrong.

[dgs212]

Originally posted by PacHead:
They might not view themselves as a terrorist organisation, but there is no doubt that they are Muslims.

Your point being that they are terrorists and they are Muslim. Forget for a moment that [all bleebs are gloops] does not imply that [all gloops are bleeps], and consider that terrorist is a relative term. Why do you get to decide who is a terrorist? Why don't the members of Al Qaeda get to decide who is a terrorist? If Al Qaeda decides who is a terrorist and who is a righteous freedom fighter, than they'd probably say that all terrorists are Americans. See how stupid that sounds?

You said all terrorists are Muslim. That is an opinion (one that is most certainly wrong, by the way). It cannot be proven. Your theory is invalid. End communication.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by eklipse:
Wrong.

You are 100% wrong.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by dgs212:
You said all terrorists are Muslim. That is an opinion (one that is most certainly wrong, by the way). It cannot be proven. Your theory is invalid. End communication.

No, the Arab writer said that, and it is not most certainly wrong as you falsely assume.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by PacHead:
You are 100% wrong.

Okay, show me where in the Qur'an it says words to the effect of "Thou shalt fly passenger jets into office buildings" or "Thou shalt bomb congested, commuter trains during rush hour".

[realitybath]

Originally posted by PacHead:
those horrible Christian abortion bombers, then feel free to start your own thread, and don't ruin mine with any lame deflection attempts. I will have to assume that anybody attempting to derail this thread is an Al-Qaeda supporter.

Ok, now can we cut the crap about these terrorists not being Muslims ? Wake up people, stop making excuses.

whats the point of starting a thread, and then saying 'don't respond if you don't agree', and then claiming that anyone (even someone who might agree with part of what you say, and disagree with other parts) is an Al-Qaeda supporter? Looking for fanboys?

Or maybe you just have a fantasy of being a government agent.

Back to your topic, i suppose you'd have to look at state terrorism too.
Then you'd have to compare that to muslim terrorist numbers, but you might also want to do something like per capita kill rates to compare the success rates of state terrorists/non-muslim terrorists/muslim terrorists since that might be more important in terms of social impact.

Although i do think your posts paint you as a kneejerk knob, there is obvious validity in questioning Islam's relationship to terrorism, which alot of muslims are dealing with now(especially 'western' muslims, who can't as easily brush off that the people getting killed are just abstracted foreigners or potential infidels)

On a related note, greenday's new single American Idiot is too repetitive, though its good for a greenday song.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by realitybath:
whats the point of starting a thread, and then saying 'don't respond if you don't agree', and then claiming that anyone (even someone who might agree with part of what you say, and disagree with other parts) is an Al-Qaeda supporter? Looking for fanboys?

Or maybe you just have a fantasy of being a government agent.

Back to your topic, i suppose you'd have to look at state terrorism too.
Then you'd have to compare that to muslim terrorist numbers, but you might also want to do something like per capita kill rates to compare the success rates of state terrorists/non-muslim terrorists/muslim terrorists since that might be more important in terms of social impact.

Although i do think your posts paint you as a kneejerk knob, there is obvious validity in questioning Islam's relationship to terrorism, which alot of muslims are dealing with now(especially 'western' muslims, who can't as easily brush off that the people getting killed are just abstracted foreigners or potential infidels)

On a related note, greenday's new single American Idiot is too repetitive, though its good for a greenday song.

My point is a very simple one. Certain people claim on this forum all the time that Muslim terrorists are not Muslims. Well, of course they are, and the article written by that "Prominent Arab Journalist" backs my point up. I wasn't even attempting to discuss what is a terrorist or state terrorism or anything like that. I am merely saying Muslim terrorists are Muslims, I don't see what's so hard for certain people to accept that fact.

And I'm not stating: "Don't respond if you disagree". I am merely saying "Don't bother responding if one is merely going to attack me or call me names or attempt to derail the thread, as has been done in the past." And, it is a fact that there are islamic terrorist supporters on this forum, so my concerns that certain people would like to shut this thread down is valid.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by eklipse:
Okay, show me where in the Qur'an it says words to the effect of "Thou shalt fly passenger jets into office buildings" or "Thou shalt bomb congested, commuter trains during rush hour".

Frankly, I don't care about the koran, nor do I care what is written in that book.

Here are some facts for you to digest.

These Muslim terrorists call themselves Muslims.

These Muslim terrorists come from Muslim countries.

These Muslim terrorists read Muslim korans.

These Muslim terrorists are admired by many in the Muslim world.

These Muslim terrorists get their support from the Muslim world.

Conclusion : They are Muslims, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

What you and others are attempting here and failing miserably at is called "Turnspeak". A typical propaganda technique. Basically, you attempt to turn the argument around and you call "White" for "Black". Aint gonna work buddy.

[TeknoTurd]

How can this be, isn't this supposed to be the religion of peace? The Christian infidels must be at fault!

[phoenixboy70]

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[eklipse]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Here are some facts for you to digest.

Here is a single fact for you to digest:

Muslim
n : a believer or follower of Islam


Any other 'facts' are irrelevant and indicative of ignorance.

[Lysistrata]

What you and others are attempting here and failing miserably at is called "Turnspeak"

'Turnspeak'? Where did you get that word from?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Lysistrata:
'Turnspeak'? Where did you get that word from?

Joan Peters, former White House consultant on the Middle East writes:

The term was first used by journalists to describe German propaganda after it invaded Czechoslovakia in March of 1939._ To win sympathy for their invasion, the Germans practiced what has_ become known as "turnspeak". They turned the blame back on the Czechs for trying to precipitate an all-out war in the region. In other words, the Czechs in their attempt to hang onto their land were ready to plunge all of Europe into war.

How did the rest of Europe respond to this lie? They believed it. World leaders decided that something had to be done to preserve peace at any cost.

[TETENAL]

Originally posted by PacHead:
My point is a very simple one. Certain people claim on this forum all the time that Muslim terrorists are not Muslims. Well, of course they are, and the article written by that "Prominent Arab Journalist" backs my point up.

If that's your point, that the "Muslim terrorists are Muslims", then I agree. It is sort of silly to claim they are no Muslims because they sinned.

However you sounded as if your point were that "Muslims are main perpetrators of terrorism", and that is simply wrong. The Muslims I know don't deserve that label – as do most other Muslims in the world. The other way around "The main perpetrators of terrorism are Muslims" is arguably right nowadays.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by PacHead:
The term was then used by republican spin doctors to describe american propaganda after it invaded iraq in 2003. to win sympathy for their invasion, the americans practiced what has become known as "turnspeak". they turned the blame back on the iraqis and saddam for trying to precipitate an all-out war in the region. in other words, the iraqis in their attempt to hang onto their land were ready to plunge all of the middle east into war.

how did the rest of the world respond to this lie? they believed it. world leaders decided that something had to be done to preserve peace at any cost.

fixed™.

[Lysistrata]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Joan Peters, former White House consultant on the Middle East writes:

The term was first used by journalists to describe German propaganda after it invaded Czechoslovakia in March of 1939._ To win sympathy for their invasion, the Germans practiced what has_ become known as "turnspeak". They turned the blame back on the Czechs for trying to precipitate an all-out war in the region. In other words, the Czechs in their attempt to hang onto their land were ready to plunge all of Europe into war.

How did the rest of Europe respond to this lie? They believed it. World leaders decided that something had to be done to preserve peace at any cost.

Oh dear, I thought so. The word 'Turnspeak' is an invention of Joan Peters, the Germans never used it. Joan Peters' book 'From Time Immemorial', where the word comes from, is a notorious hoax:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Time_Immemorial

[Spheric Harlot]

I find it difficult to believe that people are still responding in earnest to this hateful git PacHead's vitriolic spew.

Even from just the passages I see quoted by others, it is obvious that he is not American in anything but passport (though I doubt he has one), any more than the terrorists he knows so much about are Muslims in spirit.

[Sven G]

Saying that muslim = terrorist is essentially like saying that the Baader-Meinhof gang or the Red Brigades (just to make some "domestic" examples in recent history), or whatever, were true believers in communism and equality for all: not true in any way. It's like selectively taking from the original "teachings" only what fits a predetermined mindset - mostly based on desperation due to the perceived impossibility to change things for the better in other ways - and thus "reduce" everything to this maniacal status.

... A status (quo) which isn't all that different from that of the politicians in power, for that matter: abusive politics and terrorism go hand in hand, almost interchangeably, indeed. Only a stupid quest for "power", without any consideration of the opinions of the populace.

That said, I don't like pre-defined modes of behaviour: on that front, Islam seems to have both good and bad things (some very, very bad, apparently, if stupidly taken to the extreme consequences: see sharia, etc.), like any other institutionalised religion...

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Frankly, I don't care about the koran, nor do I care what is written in that book.

Here are some facts for you to digest.

These Muslim terrorists call themselves Muslims.

These Muslim terrorists come from Muslim countries.

These Muslim terrorists read Muslim korans.

These Muslim terrorists are admired by many in the Muslim world.

These Muslim terrorists get their support from the Muslim world.

Conclusion : They are Muslims, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

What you and others are attempting here and failing miserably at is called "Turnspeak". A typical propaganda technique. Basically, you attempt to turn the argument around and you call "White" for "Black". Aint gonna work buddy.

It could be said that terrorists are the only true Muslims.

[RonnieoftheRose]

Originally posted by PacHead:


These Muslim terrorists call themselves Muslims.

These Muslim terrorists come from Muslim countries.

These Muslim terrorists read Muslim korans.

These Muslim terrorists are admired by many in the Muslim world.

These Muslim terrorists get their support from the Muslim world.

These Muslim terrorists get paid in dollars and like to use American arms.

Who keeps creating them, propping them up and why do arms manufacturers allow the mass proliferation of their products? Conclusion: War is $$$$$$$$$

[Spliffdaddy]

lol

[Basayev's Doom]

There is something about Arab and Muslim culture and society that lends itself to assembly-line production of terrorists and militants. They are all horrific clones following the same set of twisted beliefs, with only their evil soul to show them Allah's path and Allah's will.

You infidels deny the pattern at your own peril. White Europeans and Asians don't take schools hostage and murder hundreds; they don't hijack planes and fly them into buildings to murder thousands; they don't blow up their own kind who are simply standing in lines for jobs to feed their hungry families.

Arabs and Muslims worldwide have incubated a virus on society that is intent on wiping out everything but itself.

[RonnieoftheRose]

Originally posted by Basayev's Doom:
There is something about Arab and Muslim culture and society that lends itself to assembly-line production of terrorists and militants. They are all horrific clones following the same set of twisted beliefs, with only their evil soul to show them Allah's path and Allah's will.

You infidels deny the pattern at your own peril. White Europeans and Asians don't take schools hostage and murder hundreds; they don't hijack planes and fly them into buildings to murder thousands; they don't blow up their own kind who are simply standing in lines for jobs to feed their hungry families.

Arabs and Muslims worldwide have incubated a virus on society that is intent on wiping out everything but itself.

As someone who has witnessed two IRA bombings only meters away I disagree that this is only a Muslim thing.

[Spoogepieces]

What would be interesting to see is how many people oppose what the Islamic terrorists do but fully support what the IRA does.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by Basayev's Doom:
There...

<- there aren't enough of these on the web to comment your post and your st00pid new user (loser) name.

[Basayev's Doom]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
<- there aren't enough of these on the web to comment your post and your st00pid new user (loser) name.

sticks and stones may break my bones, but st00pid l00sers like you do not merit more than a passing swipe.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by Basayev's Doom:
sticks and stones may break my bones, but st00pid l00sers like you do not merit more than a passing swipe.

oh, just STFU and crawl back into your trailer, will ya?!

[voodoo]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:



...

You have a point with that photo? I'm curious.