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BlackGriffen · Sep 7, 2004, 01:03 PM

Author Kitty Kelley, in her biography The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty, is citing sources as saying President Bush used cocaine at Camp David during his father's presidency, according to London's Daily Mirror.

The book also alleges Laura Bush tried marijuana in her youth.

Kelley quotes Bush's former sister-in-law Sharon Bush, who claims: ''Bush did coke at Camp David when his father was president, and not just once either.''

Others told Kelley that as a 26-year-old member of the National Guard, Bush ''liked to sneak out back for a joint or into the bathroom for a line of cocaine.''
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According to the Mirror, the White House said: ''This book appears to be filled with the same trash discredited years ago.''

Also from the Boston Herald.

Indeed, quite shocking if true. Considering that the original source is the Mirror, I'll take it with a hearty grain of salt.

We'll have to see what happens when the book comes out.

BlackGriffen

SimeyTheLimey · Sep 7, 2004, 01:05 PM

But remember, the Swifties are a smear campaign, and the Democrats decry smear campaigns.

Cody Dawg · Sep 7, 2004, 01:06 PM

Indeed, quite shocking if true. Considering that the original source is the Mirror, I'll take it with a hearty grain of salt.

How about a shakerful?

Jim Paradise · Sep 7, 2004, 01:08 PM

If it weren't for the fact that American administrations are so anti-drug, I could care less what any of the Bush family or other presidential families have ingested

Millennium · Sep 7, 2004, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
How about a shakerful?

Give me the whole mine, frankly.

BlackGriffen · 01:14 PM

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
But remember, the Swifties are a smear campaign, and the Democrats decry smear campaigns.

We will embrace this rebellion. Support it from our lands in the
north. I will gain English favor by condemning it, and ordering it opposed
from our lands in the south.

The tactic is hardly new, both sides do it, the Republicans are just better at it.

BlackGriffen

Edit: thought I should add, it'll be more comparable to the swiftees if Kerry fundraisers provide financial support for an ad campaign full of people who are demonstrably wrong making these allegations. I won't hold my breath for the documentation showing these allegations to be wrong, though.

RAILhead · Sep 7, 2004, 01:10 PM

Oh no, holy freakin crap. He's unfit to be the POTUS for sure now. I guess the weed Kerry smoked negates his goals, too.

Crap.

Now whatta we going to do in November?

PacHead · Sep 7, 2004, 01:13 PM

Bush still has my vote.

RAILhead · Sep 7, 2004, 01:15 PM

Me too, PacHead.

davesimondotcom · Sep 7, 2004, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
But remember, the Swifties are a smear campaign, and the Democrats decry smear campaigns.

Simey, it's not a smear if it's an unfounded allegation/rumormongering about Bush. The fact that it is intended to keep him from being re-elected negates it's smearing qualities.

spacefreak · Sep 7, 2004, 03:06 PM

Tip for Democrats: When desperation reaches the boiling point, dredge up the old cocaine allegations.

Zimphire · Sep 7, 2004, 03:17 PM

BlackGriffen · Sep 7, 2004, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Tip for Democrats: When desperation reaches the boiling point, dredge up the old cocaine allegations.

AFAIK, these aren't just the old ones. The old allegations are that Bush snorted coke while a pilot. This is an allegation from a former in-law that Bush snorted coke while his father was Pres. This would mean that Bush had lied about when he quit, and is a hypocrite about drugs. I guess questions of character are only relevant when they're asked about a Democrat, eh?

We could always drag up his confirmed DUI. Combine that with statistics on how many people are killed by drunk drivers every year, and it makes a nice picture. I wouldn't trust Bush to drive a car, what makes you think I should trust him to run a nation? He's done a crappy job so far.

Him and Ted Kennedy both should retire for that $hit.

BlackGriffen

RAILhead · Sep 7, 2004, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
AFAIK, these aren't just the old ones. The old allegations are that Bush snorted coke while a pilot. This is an allegation from a former in-law that Bush snorted coke while his father was Pres. This would mean that Bush had lied about when he quit, and is a hypocrite about drugs. I guess questions of character are only relevant when they're asked about a Democrat, eh?

We could always drag up his confirmed DUI. Combine that with statistics on how many people are killed by drunk drivers every year, and it makes a nice picture. I wouldn't trust Bush to drive a car, what makes you think I should trust him to run a nation? He's done a crappy job so far.

Him and Ted Kennedy both should retire for that $hit.

BlackGriffen

Is it me, or do BlackGriffen and Lerk sound like the same person?

Maury

Millennium · Sep 7, 2004, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
AFAIK, these aren't just the old ones. The old allegations are that Bush snorted coke while a pilot. This is an allegation from a former in-law that Bush snorted coke while his father was Pres. This would mean that Bush had lied about when he quit, and is a hypocrite about drugs.

He would only be a hypocrite if he were still using drugs while campaigning against them.

The lying about when he quit, if true, is a more serious issue. But if you want to show hypocrisy, then you're going to need something far more recent than sixteen years ago.

We could always drag up his confirmed DUI.

The one from 1976, you mean?

BlackGriffen · Sep 7, 2004, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
He would only be a hypocrite if he were still using drugs while campaigning against them.

The lying about when he quit, if true, is a more serious issue. But if you want to show hypocrisy, then you're going to need something far more recent than sixteen years ago.

The one from 1976, you mean?

Good points, though I should add that snorting coke in camp David is worse than oral sex in the Oval Office, IMHO.

BG

BlackGriffen · 04:24 PM

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Is it me, or do BlackGriffen and Lerk sound like the same person?

Maury

Only to the hopelessly n00b around here. It's just been a long time since him an I have been on opposite sides of a discussion since the Bush administration has come to dominate political discourse. Two topics that spring immediately to mind: religion and evolution. Lerk is a Christian who is roughly neutral on evolution. I am a decidedly non-Christian pantheist for whom evolution is blindingly obvious. Whether it is the explanation for the origin of the species is another question that is off topic here.

Hell, this whole question of whether I sound like Lerk is off topic and irrelevant to the topic.

BlackGriffen

Edit: toning down extraneous invective.

LoganCharles · Sep 7, 2004, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Is it me, or do BlackGriffen and Lerk sound like the same person?

Maury

I figure they're different blokes but I have an equal disdain for either.

LoganCharles

BlackGriffen · Sep 7, 2004, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by LoganCharles:
I figure they're different blokes but I have an equal disdain for either.

LoganCharles

I love you, too, dck-for-brains.

BG

macvillage.net · Sep 7, 2004, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Tip for Democrats: When desperation reaches the boiling point, dredge up the old cocaine allegations.

Tip for Republicans: When desperation reaches the boiling point, dredge up the old oral sex allegations.

Both are the same stupid organization. Just different names.

LoganCharles · Sep 7, 2004, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
I love you, too, dck-for-brains.

BG

Yeah I love it when you personally attack under the alias of BeeGee.

You're not nearly as smart as you think you are.

LC

Wiskedjak · Sep 7, 2004, 04:36 PM

Personally, this doesn't matter to me. Though I would hope it matters to all those who were so hot and bothered about Clinton smoking (but not inhaling

) weed.

Secret__Police · Sep 7, 2004, 04:39 PM

BlackGriffen · Sep 7, 2004, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by LoganCharles:
Yeah I love it when you personally attack under the alias of BeeGee.

You're not nearly as smart as you think you are.

LC

I don't use any other name here, sweetie-pie. The mods can check the IP logs to confirm this, if they like.

And I'm just returning the favor, Einstein.

BG

chris v · Sep 7, 2004, 04:43 PM

I think whoever our next president is should up the ante by snorting coke off a hooker's ass in the Lincoln bedroom.

BlackGriffen · Sep 7, 2004, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by chris v:
I think whoever our next president is should up the ante by snorting coke off a hooker's ass in the Lincoln bedroom.

LOL!

My money is on the China Room, though.

BG

Wiskedjak · Sep 7, 2004, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by chris v:
I think whoever our next president is should up the ante by snorting coke off a hooker's ass in the Lincoln bedroom.

Wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's already been done.

ringo · Sep 7, 2004, 04:48 PM

This is completely irrelevant and further distraction from the real issues. I wish the right and left would both start dealing with the future instead of the past.

Secret__Police · Sep 7, 2004, 04:49 PM

itai195 · Sep 7, 2004, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
The lying about when he quit, if true, is a more serious issue. But if you want to show hypocrisy, then you're going to need something far more recent than sixteen years ago.

The one from 1976, you mean?

Does that mean the swift boat maelstorm is also irrelevant? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall you saying that questions of Kerry's character, such as the swift boat campaign raised up, were appropriate. But in general I agree with you, I just wonder why it seems there's a double standard (and my apologies if I'm remembering your response to the swift boat controversy incorrectly).

mo · Sep 7, 2004, 04:52 PM

I'm not terribly surprised that Sharon Bush told Kitty Kelley some ugly stuff. She and Neil Bush went through an incredibly bitter divorce that eventually wound up with her disputing their son's paternity, and him claiming that she pulled hair from his head to make a voodoo doll. (I am not making this up.) She's really, really angry at the entire Bush family. (To be fair, Neil Bush did inform her via e-mail of his intention to divorce her.)

Here's a link to an old Washington Post story about this -- it' no longer accessible via their archives, unless you register. I'm not saying it proves she's lying, but it might shed light on some issues about her motivation.

Atomic Rooster · Sep 7, 2004, 04:54 PM

Explains his inability to ride a bicycle without falling over. I thought it may have been to many shots of ouzo but now we know. Coke does rot the brain. I hope the U.S. doesn't fall over.

BlackGriffen · Sep 7, 2004, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by ringo:
This is completely irrelevant and further distraction from the real issues. I wish the right and left would both start dealing with the future instead of the past.

In my defense, I only posted this thread because I think it's fun to watch the Bushills twist themselves into knots trying to defend their Fearless Leader.

Sadly, but not unexpectedly, they paid more attention to this thread than the Graham thread, probably because the allegations here cannot be proven or disproven. Not to mention that the whole drug war is more of a hot button for the right than the left.

BlackGriffen

E's Lil Theorem · Sep 7, 2004, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by ringo:
This is completely irrelevant and further distraction from the real issues. I wish the right and left would both start dealing with the future instead of the past.

Secret__Police · Sep 7, 2004, 04:58 PM

BlackGriffen · Sep 7, 2004, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by mo:
I'm not terribly surprised that Sharon Bush told Kitty Kelley some ugly stuff. She and Neil Bush went through an incredibly bitter divorce that eventually wound up with her disputing their son's paternity, and him claiming that she pulled hair from his head to make a voodoo doll. (I am not making this up.) She's really, really angry at the entire Bush family. (To be fair, Neil Bush did inform her via e-mail of his intention to divorce her.)

Here's a link to an old Washington Post story about this -- it' no longer accessible via their archives, unless you register. I'm not saying it proves she's lying, but it might shed light on some issues about her motivation.

Yeah, I had considered the divorce thing, though I didn't know the details. I knew that it would be the quickest route to discrediting the allegation (ie, by attacking the credibility of the person making the claim). I almost didn't post because of it. Then I figured, "Nah, I'm not here to do the Bushills' work for them."

Nice catch, though.

Pity that the garden variety Bushills aren't as quick as you.

BlackGriffen

macvillage.net · Sep 7, 2004, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
In my defense, I only posted this thread because I think it's fun to watch the Bushills twist themselves into knots trying to defend their Fearless Leader.

Sadly, but not unexpectedly, they paid more attention to this thread than the Graham thread, probably because the allegations here cannot be proven or disproven. Not to mention that the whole drug war is more of a hot button for the right than the left.

BlackGriffen

It's funny how Clinton heard hell for doing what statistically over 50% of men do (and isn't criminal in itself). Yet Bush is concidered ok to sniff a line, and have this 'war on drugs'.

Atomic Rooster · Sep 7, 2004, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
In my defense, I only posted this thread because I think it's fun to watch the Bushills twist themselves into knots trying to defend their Fearless Leader.
BlackGriffen

They rarely are able to defend The Shrub. They usually go on a Kerry attack tirade. Hoping to deflect the sh!t that is hitting Bush and revealing there own weakness.

osiris · Sep 7, 2004, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Classic.

A party at Camp David sounds good to me! Bush could bring the blow & booze, Kerry a nice spliff. Maybe we could get Clinton out of the hospital so he could call up some 'lady friends'...

IMO I suspect that many US citizens have sniffed/puffed/drank at some point in their lives. Making a political issue of it at this point in time is only a distraction from the real issues at hand.

mo · Sep 7, 2004, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
Yeah, I had considered the divorce thing, though I didn't know the details. I knew that it would be the quickest route to discrediting the allegation (ie, by attacking the credibility of the person making the claim). I almost didn't post because of it. Then I figured, "Nah, I'm not here to do the Bushills' work for them."

Nice catch, though. Pity that the garden variety Bushills aren't as quick as you.

BlackGriffen

Hey! Don't you misunderestimate me!

Zimphire · Sep 7, 2004, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
Good points, though I should add that snorting coke in camp David is worse than oral sex in the Oval Office, IMHO.

BG

No, Snorting coke was a victimless crime. Not so with Clinton.

BlackGriffen · Sep 7, 2004, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No, Snorting coke was a victimless crime. Not so with Clinton.

Um, one was illegal, the other was not. You're losing sight of the "It wasn't about the sex, it was the perjury" line.

What's the statue of limitation on drug abuse, anyway?

It's that simple.

BlackGriffen

SimeyTheLimey · Sep 7, 2004, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
What's the statue of limitation on drug abuse, anyway?

The statue of limitations on drug use?? Must be something the National Endowment for the Arts funded.

Zimphire · Sep 7, 2004, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
Um, one was illegal, the other was not. You're losing sight of the "It wasn't about the sex, it was the perjury" line. What's the statue of limitation on drug abuse, anyway?

It's that simple.

BlackGriffen

Again, Bush was just hurting himself. Not so in Clinton's case. I am not saying Clinton's is worse, but there is no way it's "better" than this if it's true.

deedar · Sep 7, 2004, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No, Snorting coke was a victimless crime. Not so with Clinton.

Victimless??? You don't got good sense, boy.

get real

itai195 · 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No, Snorting coke was a victimless crime. Not so with Clinton.

Is drug use victimless? Judge for yourself

Prior to September 11, 2001, drug trafficking and terrorist activities were usually addressed by the law enforcement community as separate issues. In the wake of the terrorist attacks in New York City, Washington, DC, and Pennsylvania, the public now perceives these two criminal activities as intertwined.

deedar · Sep 7, 2004, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by itai195:
Is drug use victimless? Judge for yourself

Good linky.

BlackGriffen · Sep 7, 2004, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
The statue of limitations on drug use?? Must be something the National Endowment for the Arts funded.

Type-os are usually victimless crimes, and less frequent thanks to spell checkers.

BG

SimeyTheLimey · Sep 7, 2004, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
Type-os are usually victimless crimes, and less frequent thanks to spell checkers.

BG

That one is one of those classics of legal briefs - along with missing the l in public.

gerbnl · Sep 7, 2004, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
Indeed, quite shocking if true.

Why shocking? It is a statistic necessity that he did something worthwhile too..