[forkies]

apparently the sss claims Conscientious Objectors are not morally fit enough to kill. from http://www.sss.gov/FSwho.htm:

WHO MUST REGISTER
Almost all male U.S. citizens, and male aliens living in the U.S., who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service. It's important to know that even though he is registered, a man will not automatically be inducted into the military. In a crisis requiring a draft, men would be called in sequence determined by random lottery number and year of birth. Then, they would be examined for mental, physical and moral fitness by the military before being deferred or exempted from military service or inducted into the Armed Forces.


this, despite the fact that (from http://www.sss.gov/FSaltsvc.htm):

It is the policy of the Selective Service System to treat persons in the Alternative Service Program fairly and with dignity, and to assign them to positions which will make genuine contributions to the national health, safety or interest.

dignity?

[voodoo]

What are the odds that the undocumented (illegal) aliens show up and register

[BlackGriffen]

Morally fit to serve probably has more to do with the don't ask don't tell policy - ho-mo-sexals ain't fit to serve!

Or some bollocks like that.

BG

[Earth Mk. II]

Probably has more to do with having a criminal record (and what's on it) than anything else.

The US doesn't have any selective objection option, as far as I'm aware - so to obtain conscious objector status, you'd basically have to prove that you would never, under any circumstances, intentionally take another's life - even in self defense.

At least, that's my understanding on it. could be wrong.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by Earth Mk. II:
Probably has more to do with having a criminal record (and what's on it) than anything else.

The US doesn't have any selective objection option, as far as I'm aware - so to obtain conscious objector status, you'd basically have to prove that you would never, under any circumstances, intentionally take another's life - even in self defense.

At least, that's my understanding on it. could be wrong.

As I understand it, the objection needs to be to war, not necessarily to killing in self-defense. However, said objection needs to apply to all war, no matter the cause, and they will bring up World War II (a subject which makes many pacifists uncomfortable). If your objection to war is strong enough that you wouldn't even go to war against the Nazis, then you're granted conscientious-objector status, but not before. Needless to say, this makes getting such status quite difficult.

[SimeyTheLimey]

This all presumes a resumption of the draft -- which isn't going to happen.

The current selective service system is a legacy of the Carter Administration. Link - when was registration reinstated Carter asked for it after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. Link It was one of his ways of looking tough without actually doing anything meaningful. The others were boycotting the Moscow Olympics and cutting off grain exports.

So, if you have an objection to how the regulations of the selective service administration read, you now know who to talk to.

[ebuddy]

Fear not BG; the homosexuals I know would probably be more willing to pull the trigger in defense of you than you in defense of them. By having a homosexual enter the military under a "don't ask, don't tell" policy, the military affords themselves the ability to house those soldiers with other males and rely on military policing to discourage sexual misconduct. To know, and house them either way would hold the US military liable. I don't need to know what your sexual preference is to determine if you're fit to serve, but then I'm not a homophobe.

[macvillage.net]

The easy way out of the draft is to simply move to a state with a homosexual registry or marriage. Get a buddy whose also eligible, and get 'hitched'.

Then you have documented proof your not eligible for the draft.

It's successfully kept soldiers (willing or not willing to go) from the Iraq and Afgan theatre.


Bush made it clear he won't change his stance on that.

The draft is coming... at least we have a back door.

[Spliffdaddy]

The back door should lead to deportation and/or a prison sentence.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The back door should lead to deportation and/or a prison sentence.

Here we go again with the gay bashing!

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
The draft is coming... at least we have a back door.

two words: "conscientious objector".

we've got all the paperwork here. just call if you need anything.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Here we go again with the gay bashing!

ROTFL

[Spliffdaddy]

arg.

How about this one:

Gay imposters caught using the back door should be deported.

[BlackGriffen]

Originally posted by ebuddy:
Fear not BG; the homosexuals I know would probably be more willing to pull the trigger in defense of you than you in defense of them. By having a homosexual enter the military under a "don't ask, don't tell" policy, the military affords themselves the ability to house those soldiers with other males and rely on military policing to discourage sexual misconduct. To know, and house them either way would hold the US military liable. I don't need to know what your sexual preference is to determine if you're fit to serve, but then I'm not a homophobe.

I take it that you can't read more than one sentence at a time?

I know you won't read this part (second sentence, and all), but I was clearly being sarcastic.

BG

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The back door should lead to deportation and/or a prison sentence.

For what? Abiding by the laws as approved by the president?

Should someone be deported for reporting terrorism? How about not driving drunk?

What other law abiding things require deportation?