[BlackGriffen]

Just some quotes I like:

Friedrich Nietzsche:

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

All in all, punishment hardens and renders people more insensible; it concentrates; it increases the feeling of estrangement; it strengthens the power of resistance.

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.

Although the most acute judges of the witches and even the witches themselves, were convinced of the guilt of witchery, the guilt nevertheless was non-existent. It is thus with all guilt.

Arrogance on the part of the meritorious is even more offensive to us than the arrogance of those without merit: for merit itself is offensive.

At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.

Christianity gave Eros poison to drink; he did not die of it but degenerated into vice.

Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.

Distrust everyone in whom the impulse to punish is powerful!

In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.

The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.

Whoever battles with monsters had better see that it does not turn him into a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

Wow. I didn't know there were so many good Nietzsche quotes.

Considering that, I'll dedicate one post to each source - probably.

BlackGriffen

[KaBlooey]

"Patriotism is usually the refuge of the scoundrel. He is the man who talks the loudest"-Mark Twain

Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it._ ~George Bernard Shaw

Nationalism is an infantile disease._ It is the measles of mankind._ ~Albert Einstein

Patriotism, the virtue of the vicious._ ~Oscar Wilde

...and...paraphrased... "Patriotism is loving your country. And your government when it deserves it" - M. Twain

[voodoo]

"Whoever battles with monsters had better see that it does not turn him into a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you"

this is my fav.

[realitybath]

Large Man with Dead Body : Who's that then?
The Dead Collector : I dunno, must be a king.
Large Man with Dead Body : Why?
The Dead Collector : He hasn't got sh!t all over him.

and;

Dennis : If I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.

[BlackGriffen]

Ralph Waldo Emerson - he had rather economically conservative views, but also these:

• A great man is always willing to be little.
• A man is usually more careful of his money than he is of his principles.
• Adopt the pace of nature: her secret is patience.
• All conservatives are such from personal defects. They have been effeminated by position or nature, born halt and blind, through luxury of their parents, and can only, like invalids, act on the defensive.
• All life is an experiment.
• As soon as there is life there is danger.
• Bad times have a scientific value. These are occasions a good learner would not miss.
• Do the thing we fear, and death of fear is certain.
• Each man takes care that his neighbor shall not cheat him. But a day comes when he begins to care that he does not cheat his neighbor. Then all goes well - he has changed his market-cart into a chariot of the sun.
• Every actual State is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well.
• Every man I meet is in some way my superior.
• Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society.
• Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could; some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.
• For every minute you remain angry, you give up sixty seconds of peace of mind.
• Go oft to the house of thy friend, for weeds choke the unused path.
• He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, while he who has one enemy shall meet him everywhere.
• It is one of the most beautiful compensations of life, that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself.
• Men are conservatives when they are least vigorous, or when they are most luxurious. They are conservatives after dinner.
• Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail.
• Peace cannot be achieved through violence, it can only be attained through understanding.
• People only see what they are prepared to see.
• The creation of a thousand forests is in one acorn.
• The greatest gift is a portion of thyself.
• The only way to have a friend is to be one.
• Treat a man as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he could be, and he will become what he should be.

More to come.

BlackGriffen

[constrictor]

"More seldom than not, the movies gives us exquisite sex and wholesome violence that underscores our values. Every two child did. I will." -George W. Bush, two weeks ago at a meeting of the Economic Club of Detroit

[BlackGriffen]

Some famous scientists and innovators (may be some redundancy - I'm too lazy to edit it out ):
Albert Einstein -

A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.

A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new.

All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field.

An oligarchy of private capital cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society because under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information.

Concern for man and his fate must always form the chief interest of all technical endeavors. Never forget this in the midst of your diagrams and equations.

Force always attracts men of low morality.

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.

I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.

No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.

Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced.

One should guard against preaching to young people success in the customary form as the main aim in life. The most important motive for work in school and in life is pleasure in work, pleasure in its result, and the knowledge of the value of the result to the community.

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.

Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.

We must be prepared to make heroic sacrifices for the cause of peace that we make ungrudgingly for the cause of war. There is no task that is more important or closer to my heart.

Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.

Thomas A. Edison:

Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration.

I am not discouraged, because every wrong attempt discarded isanother step forward.

I am proud of the fact that I never invented weapons to kill.

I have friends in overalls whose friendship I would not swap for the favor of the kings of the world.

I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

Just because something doesn't do what you planned it to do doesn't mean it's useless.

Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages.

Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.

There's a way to do it better - find it.

(cont'd in next post)

[BlackGriffen]

Benjamin Franklin:

A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges.

And where is the Prince who can afford to so cover his country with troops for its defense, as that ten thousand men descending from the clouds, might not in many places do an infinite deal of mischief, before a force could be brought together to repel them?

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man.

Be civil to all; sociable to many; familiar with few; friend to one; enemy to none.

Games lubricate the body and the mind.

He that can have patience can have what he will.

He that has done you a kindness will be more ready to do you another, than he whom you yourself have obliged.

He that is of the opinion money will do everything may well be suspected of doing everything for money.

Hide not your talents, they for use were made. What's a sundial in the shade?

I look upon death to be as necessary to our constitution as sleep. We shall rise refreshed in the morning.

Keep your eyes wide open before marriage, half shut afterwards.

Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God.

Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

Take time for all things: great haste makes great waste.

To be humble to superiors is duty, to equals courtesy, to inferiors nobleness.

Whatever is begun in anger ends in shame.

When you're finished changing, you're finished.

Write injuries in dust, benefits in marble.

Richard P. Feynman:

For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.

and Carl Sagan:

A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism.

A central lesson of science is that to understand complex issues (or even simple ones), we must try to free our minds of dogma and to guarantee the freedom to publish, to contradict, and to experiment. Arguments from authority are unacceptable.

But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge.

Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.

The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition.

Widespread intellectual and moral docility may be convenient for leaders in the short term, but it is suicidal for nations in the long term. One of the criteria for national leadership should therefore be a talent for understanding, encouraging, and making constructive use of vigorous criticism.

BlackGriffen

[BlackGriffen]

Political Leaders -
Thomas Jefferson:

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

Force is the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism.

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God.

Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances.

Peace and friendship with all mankind is our wisest policy, and I wish we may be permitted to pursue it.

The good opinion of mankind, like the lever of Archimedes, with the given fulcrum, moves the world.

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.

When a man assumes a public trust he should consider himself a public property.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

Theodore Roosevelt:

A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards. More than that no man is entitled to, and less than that no man shall have.

A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues.

Appraisals are where you get together with your team leader and agree what an outstanding member of the team you are, how much your contribution has been valued, what massive potential you have and, in recognition of all this, would you mind having your salary halved.

Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.

Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.

If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month.

The government is us; we are the government, you and I.

The human body has two ends on it: one to create with and one to sit on. Sometimes people get their ends reversed. When this happens they need a kick in the seat of the pants.

The most important single ingredient in the formula of success is knowing how to get along with people.

To waste, to destroy, our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land instead of using it so as to increase it's usefulness, will result in undermining in the days of our children the very properity which we ought by right to hand down to them amplified and developed.

Franklin D. Roosevelt:

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.

Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.

Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.

I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.

If civilization is to survive, we must cultivate the science of human relationships - the ability of all peoples, of all kinds, to live together, in the same world at peace.

If you treat people right they will treat you right... ninety percent of the time.

It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.

Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country.

More than an end to war, we want an end to the beginning of all wars - yes, an end to this brutal, inhuman and thoroughly impractical method of settling the differences between governments.

Physical strength can never permanently withstand the impact of spiritual force.

Remember you are just an extra in everyone else's play.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes strong than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much it is whether we provide enough for those who have little.

True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

We continue to recognize the greater ability of some to earn more than others. But we do assert that the ambition of the individual to obtain for him a proper security is an ambition to be preferred to the appetite for great wealth and great power.

(cont'd)

[BlackGriffen]

Winston Churchill:

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

A joke is a very serious thing.

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

Always remember, a cat looks down on man, a dog looks up to man, but a pig will look man right in the eye and see his equal.

Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.

Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter.

Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.

However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

If the human race wishes to have a prolonged and indefinite period of material prosperity, they have only got to behave in a peaceful and helpful way toward one another.

If you are going through hell, keep going.

Never, never, never give up.

No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism.

No matter how enmeshed a commander becomes in the elaboration of his own thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account.

Study history, study history. In history lies all the secrets of statecraft.

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

The length of this document defends it well against the risk of its being read.

Their insatiable lust for power is only equaled by their incurable impotence in exercising it.

BlackGriffen

[BlackGriffen]

Philosophers, authors, etc -
Oscar Wilde:

A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it.

Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much.

Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.

I choose my friends for their good looks, my acquaintances for their good characters, and my enemies for their intellects. A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies.

Our ambition should be to rule ourselves, the true kingdom for each one of us; and true progress is to know more, and be more, and to do more.

Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go.

The past is of no importance. The present is of no importance. It is with the future that we have to deal.

Groucho Marx:

I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

Swiss proverb:

If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the ones that got hit will yelp.

Voltaire:

I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it.

As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.

But nothing is more estimable than a physician who, having studied nature from his youth, knows the properties of the human body, the diseases which assail it, the remedies which will benefit it, exercises his art with caution, and pays equal attention to the rich and the poor.

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.

Everything is for the best in this best of possible worlds.

God is a comedian, playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.

I have always made one prayer to God, a very short one. Here it is: "My God, make our enemies very ridiculous!" God has granted it to me.

It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.

It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.

It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind.

It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.

Judge a man by his questions rather than his answers.

Life is thickly sown with thorns, and I know no other remedy than to pass quickly through them. The longer we dwell on our misfortunes, the greater is their power to harm us.

Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies.

The first step, my son, which one makes in the world, is the one on which depends the rest of our days.

The sovereign is called a tyrant who knows no laws but his caprice.

Sun Tzu:

When doing battle, seek a quick victory.
A protracted battle will blunt weapons and dampen ardor.

No nation has ever benefited from protracted warfare.

[A] wise general will strive to feed off the enemy.

[T]o gain a hundred victories in a hundred battles is not the highest excellence;
to subjugate the enemy's army without doing battle is the highest of excellence.

[T]he best warfare strategy is to attack the enemy's plans, next is to attack alliances, next is to attack the army, and the worst is to attack a walled city.

[O]ne who is skilled in warfare principles subdues the enemy without doing battle, takes the enemy's walled city without attacking, and overthrows the enemy quickly, without protracted warfare.

[A] victorious army first obtains conditions for victory, then seeks to do battle.
A defeated army first seeks to do battle, then obtains conditions for victory.

[T]hose skilled in warfare move the enemy, and are not moved by the enemy.

(cont'd)

[BlackGriffen]

Arthur C. Clarke:

A faith that cannot survive a collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

I have a fantasy where Ted Turner is elected president but refuses because he doesn't want to give up power.

Human judges can show mercy. But against the laws of nature, there is no appeal.

It is not easy to see how the more extreme forms of nationalism can long survive when men have seen the Earth in its true perspective as a single small globe against the stars.

Science can destroy religion by ignoring it as well as by disproving its tenets. No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they have few followers now.

Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea is quite staggering.

The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the zero adjust on his bathroom scale.

The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion.

There is hopeful symbolism in the fact that flags do not wave in a vacuum.

Isaac Asimov:

Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

It is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into account not only the world as it is, but the world as it will be.

The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'

To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.

Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.

Abraham Lincoln:

"A drop of honey catches more flies than a gallon of gal." So with men. If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend. Therein is a drop of honey which catches his heart, which, say what he will, is the highroad to his reason.

Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?

I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.

I don't like that man. I must get to know him better.

I have always found that mercy bears richer fruits than strict justice.

If you look for the bad in people expecting to find it, you surely will.

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.

With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds.

BlackGriffen

[BlackGriffen]

And the coup de grace:

When the strongest nation in the world can be tied down for four years in a war in Vietnam with no end in sight, when the richest nation in the world cannot manage its economy, when the nation with the greatest tradition of the rule of law is plagued by unprecedented racial violence, when the President of the United States cannot travel abroad, or to any major city at home, then its time for new leadership for the United States."

- President Nixon, 1968 RNC Acceptance Speech

BlackGriffen

[KaBlooey]

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but give him a case of dynamite and soon the village will be showered with chunks of mud, seaweed and fish parts.

[greenamp]

"Why do liberals like Nietzsche so much? The guy makes Hitler look like my grandma."
-Greenamp

[itai195]

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
And the coup de grace:

BlackGriffen

LOL, is that for serious? Wonder what Arnie thinks.

[ringo]

"Bill Clinton is the Willy Loman of our time; a travelling salesman who has the loyalty of a lizard with its tail broken off and the midnight taste of a man who'd double-date with the Reverend Jimmy Swaggart."

"I believe the Republicans have seen what they've believed all along, which is that this democracy stuff is bull, and that people don't want to be burdened by political affairs. That people would rather just be taken care of. The oligarchy doesn't need an educated public. And maybe the nation does prefer tyranny. I think that's what worries me. It goes back to Fourth Amendment issues. How much do you value your freedom? Would you trade your freedom for some illusion of security? Freedom is something that dies unless it's used."

"We are not a nation of truth-lovers."

- Hunter S. Thompson

[BlackGriffen]

Originally posted by itai195:
LOL, is that for serious? Wonder what Arnie thinks.

Dead serious, check out the link.

BG

[Logic]

I have no source for this one and would love if people could check it out:

"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God." - George H. W. Bush

other Evildoers™

"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." - Adolf Hitler, 1936

"Who says I'm not under the special protection of god?" - Adolf Hitler

My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter...As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." - Adolf Hitler, 1922

" I do not believe that the United States should be bound by the same rules as the smallest African nation. Life isn't like that." - Richard Perle, USA Pentagon advisor

"The people who vote decide nothing. The people who count the vote decide everything." - Joseph Stalin

"Speeches made to the people are essential to the arousing of enthusiasm for a war."
Quoted in Talks with Mussolini (1932) by Emil Ludwig

"I have not come into this world to make men better, but to make use of their weaknesses."
—Indirectly sourced, quoted in the essay The Mind of Hitler by H.R. Trevor-Roper

"I don't see much future for the Americans... It's a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities... My feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance... Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that it's half Judaized, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together?" (January 7, 1942)
—As quoted in Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer p. 895, from transcripts of conversations published as Hitler's Secret Conversation's, 1941 -1944 (1953). These should not be confused with later publications such as "Hitler's Secret Book" (1961) from transcripts of 1928, nor the widely known hoax of "The Hitler Diaries".

"I want war. To me all means will be right. My motto is not 'Don't, whatever you do, annoy the enemy.' My motto is 'Destroy him by all and any means'. I am the one who will wage the war!"
—Indirectly sourced. Hitler and Nazism, Loius L. Snyder, Franklin Watts, Inc., NY, l961. pg 66.

I'll let this do for now.

[placebo1969]

Ahh, the Bush/Hilter comparison. Got it.

[Logic]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
Ahh, the Bush/Hilter comparison. Got it.

That wasn't my point. But thanks for playing.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by greenamp:
"Why do liberals like Nietzsche so much? The guy makes Hitler look like my grandma."
-Greenamp

2 points for green. Neitzsche brushed with fascism alot. His ******** philosophy is adored by libs for some reason or another.
RWE was a into romanticism.

Here's one:

The lesson of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, shows conclusively that continued dependence on relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America. Work must be found for able bodied but destitute workers. The federal government must and shall quit this business of relief…We must preserve not only the bodies of the unemployed from destitution but also their self-respect, their self-reliance and courage and determination

—President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in his annual message to Congress, January 4, 1935; In the Congressional Record, 74th Congress


Ironic, eh?

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by Logic:
That wasn't my point. But thanks for playing.

What was. (Serious question, not being a smart ass).

[Logic]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
What was. (Serious question, not being a smart ass).

Like I said:

I have no source for this one and would love if people could check it out:

and then I added other Evildoers™ since IMO Bush is an Evildoer but that does not mean that I was comparing him to Hitler. Just wanted to show what some Evildoers™ say and think.

[Zimphire]

Bush is a evil doer...

[Krusty]

Originally posted by greenamp:
"Why do liberals like Nietzsche so much? The guy makes Hitler look like my grandma."

Liberals don't like Nietzsche in particular ... we're just fans of reading in general.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Krusty:
Liberals don't like Nietzsche in particular ... we're just fans of reading in general.

Riiiiiiight. I'm not going to pull out some Neitzsche book unless I have to, like in a report. You have to have some interest or agreement with at least something going into it.

[BlackGriffen]

Originally posted by Krusty:
Liberals don't like Nietzsche in particular ... we're just fans of reading in general.

That's right. Nietzsche had his strong points, just like Ford (the founder of Ford Motors), and his weaknesses.

Just like I wouldn't turn to Einstein on questions of, say, cooking, I wouldn't turn to Ford or Nietzsche on questions of how to deal fairly with minorities and other races and cultures.

BlackGriffen

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
That's right. Nietzsche had his strong points, just like Ford (the founder of Ford Motors), and his weaknesses.

Just like I wouldn't turn to Einstein on questions of, say, cooking, I wouldn't turn to Ford or Nietzsche on questions of how to deal fairly with minorities and other races and cultures.

BlackGriffen

So what, they're racists? Candy coated, even for you.
Like Ezra Pound?

[Krusty]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Riiiiiiight. I'm not going to pull out some Neitzsche book unless I have to, like in a report. You have to have some interest or agreement with at least something going into it.

My joke apparently made no sense to you. So, here it is again in a more legible format:
"Liberals don't like Nietzsche in particular ... we're just fans of reading in general." is implying that:
Liberals = actually read deeply
Conservatives = can't understand anything they read (e.g. the joke I made in my post).

Get it ... hahahahahahaha .... its like saying "Liberals are smart and Conservatives are dummies" .... hahahahahahaha.

But seriously ...greenamp's statement that "Liberals like Nietzsche" is completely unsupported. He just says it as though it is fact. A lot of conservatives I know LOVE Nietzsche. His core philosophical views very much revolve around the power and potency of the individual as opposed to touchy-feely, "liberal" notions that all people are equal. If he were alive today, he'd doubtless be staunchly opposed to anything such as affirmative action, which he would view as unduly hampering the powerful while falsely raising up people who are too weak to raise themselves up. The quintessential conservative. Nietzsche would absolutely hate socialism and modern day "liberals" . Which is why I made my wise-@ss remark to greenamp's statement. Liberals may like reading him because its some interesting and mind-blowing stuff .. but his views are extremely ANTI-liberal. The only Nietzsche books in my house are owned by my ultra-conservative roommate (though I read a lot of it myself in college).

[CreepingDeth]

Actually I find the man repulsive and his philosophy anti-human.
If I read deeper, there would be reason why libs think everyone is equal, which leads right back to Nietzsche. Something deeper, maybe, don't know.
Just like some libs radical support of fringe Palestinian groups. Freedom? Suuure. Something deeper behind it.

[Spliffdaddy]

best I can tell, liberals are merely unhappy people.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
best I can tell, liberals are merely unhappy people.

Let's see: Riefenstalh's best known work, The Triumph of Will, alludes to Neitzsche's concept of "the will to power."

Anyone with a brain can make a connection between Hitler's Nazism and Neitzsche's philosophy.