[Zimphire]

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...uslim_outrage/

Good article.

[djohnson]

Interesting article. I wonder why they dont say anything? Is it because secretly they agree with te terrorists?

[Zimphire]

A lot of it is probably fear of retaliation from the terrorists.

[itai195]

I'm starting to wonder where it is myself.

[Logic]

Another Bash Islamathon? Don't we have enough of those in here at the moment?

But to get on topic. Why should we Muslims have to show you our outrage? This has nothing to do with us. We aren't responsible and we deal with our outrage within our own community. But if it will help you sleep at night just at the moment I post this 685.014 have signed CAIR's "Not in our name" petition.

And so you can perhaps go to work tomorrow without fearing a bad Muslim might attack you on your casual stroll to work here's the text for the petition:

We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent. No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam. We repudiate and dissociate ourselves from any Muslim group or individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts. We refuse to allow our faith to be held hostage by the criminal actions of a tiny minority acting outside the teachings of both the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

“As it states in the Quran: ‘Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do.’” (Quran 4:135)

Hope you will get some sleep tonight.

[Zimphire]

Actually I thought the article showed in many cases where Muslims HAVE came out and said something.

[itai195]

It strikes me as a legitimate question, and not a Bash Islamathon. No one is blaming moderate Muslims for acts of terror, but it seems strange that you aren't speaking up for yourselves in a more visible manner.

[Zimphire]

And come on Logic, if anything you know I have always been one to say there are differences between the two sides that claim they are muslim. I didn't post this to flame.

I actually read that and found out a lot of stuff I didn't know.

It was a good read.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Logic:
Another Bash Islamathon? Don't we have enough of those in here at the moment?

But to get on topic. Why should we Muslims have to show you our outrage? This has nothing to do with us. We aren't responsible and we deal with our outrage within our own community. But if it will help you sleep at night just at the moment I post this 685.014 have signed CAIR's "Not in our name" petition.

And so you can perhaps go to work tomorrow without fearing a bad Muslim might attack you on your casual stroll to work here's the text for the petition:



Hope you will get some sleep tonight.

Well, I'm quasi-Christian (well, kinda sorta ) and I get outraged over the IRA and such. Report neighbors who make donations to such groups, make contributions to terrorism relief foundations, badmouth them whenever I can, etc.. What's wrong with that? If they're slandering and misrepresenting your faith, why not?

[angaq0k]

Have the Catholics protested when IRA was acting?

Have Buddhists complained about Tibethan terrorism?

Have Africans complained about the Rwandanese genocide?

How long did it take for South Africa's Black people to free themselves? And what has the International community really did about it?

Have Americans complained about the dictatorship of their ally, Saudi Arabia?

Of course there is outrage. It is not because you don't hear it on the usual channels that it is not happening.

Remember that not too long ago, America was "not getting involved" in other countries businesses...

And of course there is somthing to gain by keeping the silence: like that famous leader said:

"Wait and See".

Some Muslims (and non-Muslims as well I am certain) are just waiting for an opportunity to profit from the power (im)balance.

Have we heard Israel complain much about Human Rights violation in other countries? Does that make them accountable? Accomplices? And when was it the last time you saw a major newspaper comment or even mention this?

[Atomic Rooster]

I'm afraid the actions of Islamist terrorists have changed western thinking on the Muslim religion for years maybe decades or even centuries into the future. Not for the better.

So Logic you and yours have major work to do to fix it thanx to these freaks.

The fix won't work on me...I'm already too alienated but maybe on future generations.

[Logic]

Originally posted by itai195:
It strikes me as a legitimate question, and not a Bash Islamathon. No one is blaming moderate Muslims for acts of terror, but it seems strange that you aren't speaking up for yourselves in a more visible manner.

And WTF do you want us to do? What would be enough to make you satisfied? Since all that matters is that you won't have to educate yourself about Islam and need it forcefed by some Muslim and need Muslims to start a million man march down Pennsylvania Avenue saying "We are not responsible and we condemn these terrorist acts made in our name".

So tell me, what the fock do you want me to do?

[Logic]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Well, I'm quasi-Christian (well, kinda sorta ) and I get outraged over the IRA and such. Report neighbors who make donations to such groups, make contributions to terrorism relief foundations, badmouth them whenever I can, etc.. What's wrong with that? If they're slandering and misrepresenting your faith, why not?

Well most of do just that. But do we really have to make it public for you to see?

[Logic]

Originally posted by Atomic Rooster:
I'm afraid the actions of Islamist terrorists have changed western thinking on the Muslim religion for years maybe decades or even centuries into the future. Not for the better.

So Logic you and yours have major work to do to fix it thanx to these freaks.

The fix won't work on me...I'm already too alienated but maybe on future generations.

Yes, because you won't educate yourself. You won't go through the horror of going to the library, finding the Quran and actually just read it with an open mind to educate yourself. No, you need me(who have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism even if I'm muslim(some would call me a fundamentalist))to come to your neighbourhood and feed you the information that Islam had nothing to do with this.

[vmarks]

First of all, CAIR supports terrorism.

I can detail it if you like, but we've covered it before.

Look to organizations like http://freemuslims.org and http://aicongress.org .

Look to their work, and look to my thread here: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=227502

to read up on what they're doing, and why- you ask 'why should I have to do anything?' and they've already answered that and proceeded to begin making a difference.

PS - the last time I picked up a Quran and quoted from it to you with questions, I was told I needed to get another translation. So I did, and asked questions again, and was again told I needed to get another translation. So I did. The horror of satisfying people who won't tell you what translation to get in order to gain a common ground to hold a discussion was quite annoying, particularly when I was making the effort to ask questions. La'moachze, ente tiftham yaostez?

[Logic]

Originally posted by vmarks:
First of all, CAIR supports terrorism.

I can detail it if you like, but we've covered it before.

Look to organizations like http://freemuslims.org and http://aicongress.org .

Look to their work, and look to my thread here: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=227502

to read up on what they're doing, and why- you ask 'why should I have to do anything?' and they've already answered that and proceeded to begin making a difference.

PS - the last time I picked up a Quran and quoted from it to you with questions, I was told I needed to get another translation. So I did, and asked questions again, and was again told I needed to get another translation. So I did. The horror of satisfying people who won't tell you what translation to get in order to gain a common ground to hold a discussion was quite annoying, particularly when I was making the effort to ask questions. La'moachze, ente tiftham yaostez?

No wonder you like freemuslims.org. They take the blame for 9/11 I have absolutely nothing to apologise when it comes to terrorism like 9/11. But of course in your opinion I should apologise for it

[Zimphire]

Why not? Christians have been apologizing for the Crusades for centuries.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Why not? Christians have been apologizing for the Crusades for centuries.

Ahh but you forget. There is a difference between Christians and Muslims.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Logic:
No wonder you like freemuslims.org. They take the blame for 9/11 I have absolutely nothing to apologise when it comes to terrorism like 9/11. But of course in your opinion I should apologise for it

And you wonder why.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by Logic:
Another Bash Islamathon? Don't we have enough of those in here at the moment?

But to get on topic. Why should we Muslims have to show you our outrage? This has nothing to do with us.

Christianity is not responsible for abortion-clinic bombings, and yet many Christian groups are only too eager to denounce the bombers as false Christians on a false crusade. The call for outrage from Muslims works on the same principle: if they truly don't act in your name, then denounce their actions as a false jihad, and disown them as false Muslims.

In the past, several Muslim nations have done exactly this, and when they have, it has been noted and appreciated. I can dig up some posts on these very forums if you want to see examples from the past.

We aren't responsible and we deal with our outrage within our own community.

This is a fine thing, but people can only act on what they see. Deal with them within your own community, but give others a chance to see what you're doing. If you wish to deal with them entirely on your own then so be it, but you're doing such a good job of it that no one outside even knows you're doing it.

But if it will help you sleep at night just at the moment I post this 685.014 have signed CAIR's "Not in our name" petition.

Good for you. It would be nice if CAIR publicized this petition more strongly, though. Up until the moment I read this, I had no idea such a petition even existed.

[Zimphire]

Probably because as vmarks noted, CAIRS promotes terrorism itself.