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TETENAL · 01:29 PM

Yesterday two PETA activists � tv moderators � did an attack during a fur fashion show in Berlin, threw around false blood bags and behaved like chimps. They caused a damage of 150.000 Euro. One journalist had been injured so seriously at her eye that she had to be treated at an ophthalmic hospital.

After their arrest the PETA activists claimed that the security personell � not them � threw around the blood bags and caused the damage.

smiling proudly after seriously injuring an innocent woman at the eye

I so far thought that the violent PETA actions were limited to North America, but apparently it reached Europe.

(source - in German)

PacHead · Sep 12, 2004, 11:54 AM

PETA = scum, something I have always said on this forum.

And they may be radical, wacko, sick, disgusting people, but terrorists ?

Secret__Police · Sep 12, 2004, 12:31 PM

PETA

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

PacHead · Sep 12, 2004, 12:34 PM

Mmmm....Tasty......

CreepingDeth · Sep 12, 2004, 12:34 PM

PETA�
There the ones who'll give a bag of chicken bones to a kid eating popcorn chicken at KFC.
Absolutely despicable.
Spray painting SUVs, tell kids with parents with fur that their parents are murderers. All the trappings of a values based institution.

Cody Dawg · Sep 12, 2004, 12:39 PM

PETA = LOCAL TERRORISTS & CRIMINALS

Lock them up and throw away the key.

They are SCUM.

TETENAL · Sep 12, 2004, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
PETA = LOCAL TERRORISTS

Since they apparently now organize attacks world-wide, you can't really call them local.

shmerek · Sep 12, 2004, 12:54 PM

I am not defending PETA members actions but I would hardly call this terrorism. The guy that threw a pie in Bill Gates face was he committing an act of terrorism? Is a bag of fake blood something that instills feelings of terror? Assault yes, terrorism no.

shmerek · Sep 12, 2004, 12:55 PM

dp

Cody Dawg · Sep 12, 2004, 01:00 PM

I am not defending PETA members actions but I would hardly call this terrorism.

LOL!

Sorry, but if someone threw frigging animal blood all over me, I would be "terrified."

On top of which, I would happily employ an attorney to sue and incarcerate the person who did it, regardless of his or her political and/or moral affiliations.

I find it ludicrous and amusing that they only go after people wearing fur coats...

Why?

Why not go after Mercedes Benz for using leather in their cars? Or Nike for making leather shoes? Or Rolex for using leather in their watch bands?

I mean, gimme a friggin break already.

They just want to have their 15 minutes of fame -- and they are exploiting animals to do it.

That makes them much worse than the people selling or wearing fur coats.

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Sep 12, 2004, 01:48 PM

Agreed, it�s not terrorism. Just typical �wacktivist� stupidity.

LoganCharles · Sep 12, 2004, 02:37 PM

PETA strikes me as a celebrity cult. They do high profile things for attention.

Human Beings are omnivores and there is no changing that.

CreepingDeth · Sep 12, 2004, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by LoganCharles:
PETA strikes me as a celebrity cult. They do high profile things for attention.

Human Beings are omnivores and there is no changing that.

That's a lie! We've eaten meat and plant for a long time, but that doesn't make us omnivores! We're supposed to eat grass and tofu!

BTW, the person who invented tofo should be smacked. That stuff ****ing sucks, big time. It is bad, always!

Shaddim · Sep 12, 2004, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:

Mmmm....Tasty......

Looks like what I'm having for dinner. Yummy.

CreepingDeth · Sep 12, 2004, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Looks like what I'm having for dinner. Yummy.

phoenixboy70 · Sep 12, 2004, 04:17 PM

okay, i'm going to have to start by saying it's not cool to injure people when staging these kinds of protests, BUT we'll see if the accusations hold. according to the people involved, the "fake blood" they used cannot cause such an injury...

as far as the two german tv hosts goes

raising and killing animals for fur is completely superfluous and cruel. imo, fur traders and anybody who condones, supports, and takes part in this industry is about on the same level as the beslan or the 9/11 terrorists.

...and just because the usual amerifascists showed up in the thread (as was to be expected), - how in the fu<k can you be indifferent towards this obviously cruel treatment of animals involved in fur harvesting, and then turn around and whine about the "sanctity of life" when it comes to the issue of (early term) abortion? it's that kind of hypocrisy and stupidity which makes me sick, and again shows me, which people i'd rather not be associated with.

CreepingDeth · Sep 12, 2004, 04:22 PM

These are the people who compared the Holocaust to pig meat sales. Don't give me that **** about them having any purpose.
Oh boy, another fascist reference.
Oh, and fur isn't equal to 9/11.

...and just because the usual amerifascists showed up in the thread (as was to be expected), - how in the fu<k can you be indifferent towards this obviously cruel treatment of animals involved in fur harvesting, and then turn around and whine about the "sanctity of life" when it comes to the issue of (early term) abortion? it's that kind of hypocrisy and stupidity which makes me sick, and again shows me, which people i'd rather not be associated with.

Maybe because it's a human life, killed usually by someone who spent too much time in the back seat. Animals do not equal humans.

phoenixboy70 · Sep 12, 2004, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Oh, and fur isn't equal to 9/11.

uh, yeah, because you say so.

you obviously (as with just about with anything you have posted at macnn) have no idea about what fur harvesting entails...

9/11 and fur industry = senseless murder

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Maybe because it's a human life, killed usually by someone who spent too much time in the back seat. Animals do not equal humans.

no, except for the fact that all the animals who are involved are mammals, share a lot of the same genetic make up and have a ton of very similar emotions.

and "who spent too much time in the back seat"?

pluhease, you aren't old enough to join the army but feel qualified to pass judgment on others who have sex (i suppose that's what you are inferring with your dumb comment)? you're such a complete and total loser.

CreepingDeth · Sep 12, 2004, 04:50 PM

So, let's say I kill a dog. Is that equal to the murder of a human? After all, fur and terrorism are the same, right? So if I throw my kitten out a 20 story building, I'm gonna get 25 to life?

I don't like how over sexed we have become in this country. Guys ogle porn and the girls dress like anorexic sluts. It's bad where I live, but not as bad as Virginia is. My problem is with people who go out like sex hounds, and that's all they care about. You, however, seem indifferent on that, and abortion.

phoenixboy70 · 10:28 AM

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
So, let's say I kill a dog. Is that equal to the murder of a human?

imho, yes. i know law differentiates here. but i personally frown on people who torture or kill (murder) living beings intentionally. self defense, of course, is a differnt issue.

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
I don't like how over sexed we have become in this country.

good, then just don't get laid. i think that would probably be best for all involved anyway. lead by example, and not have sex at all. that shouldn't be such a hard task for you to accomplish, n'est-ce pas?

CreepingDeth · Sep 12, 2004, 05:08 PM

So play along, what should I do if I killed by cat? Life?
I wouldn't kill my cat, but he's certainly no human with a life.

shmerek · Sep 12, 2004, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:

good, than just don't get laid. i think that would probably be best for all involved anyway. lead by example, and not have sex at all. that shouldn't be such a hard task for you to accomplish, n'est-ce pas?

lol

TETENAL · Sep 12, 2004, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
the "fake blood" they used cannot cause such an injury...

It seems that one journalist was injured at the eye. Doesn't matter what the "fake blood" can do or not.

as far as the two german tv hosts goes

So people who vandalise and injure people get a thumbsup from you?

They host a daily tv show for Christ's sake! Don't you think they had better means to call attention to mistreated animals?

raising and killing animals for fur is completely superfluous and cruel. imo

Animals are "used" for many more things than fur. Food, leather clothing and shoes, car seats, hair shampoo and other cosmetics, cushions, gelatine for yoghurt and DNA analysis etc. pp. No use is absolutely necessary for survival of mankind, but it's not never to change.

fur traders and anybody who condones, supports, and takes part in this industry is about on the same level as the beslan or the 9/11 terrorists.

It is possible to hold animals according to species. Not all fur producers and creators are criminals. I bet the PETA didn't even investigate this properly beforehand. To compare farmers with 9/11 or Beslan terrorists is ridiculous.

how in the fu<k can you be indifferent towards this obviously cruel treatment of animals involved in fur harvesting

I'm not indifferent towards cruel treatment of animals. But I don't think that all production animals are treated cruel.

and then turn around and whine about the "sanctity of life" when it comes to the issue of (early term) abortion?

You completely didn't understand my stand on early term abortion. Learn to read.

it's that kind of hypocrisy and stupidity which makes me sick, and again shows me, which people i'd rather not be associated with.

Then feel free not to post in any of my threads.

LoganCharles · Sep 12, 2004, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
...and just because the usual amerifascists showed up in the thread (as was to be expected), - how in the fu<k can you be indifferent towards this obviously cruel treatment of animals involved in fur harvesting, and then turn around and whine about the "sanctity of life" when it comes to the issue of (early term) abortion? it's that kind of hypocrisy and stupidity which makes me sick, and again shows me, which people i'd rather not be associated with.

No need to be insulting.

I don't condone fur harvesting nor do I wear fur.

However I eat meat. I like eating meat. It tastes good.

My question is how can you compare a human life to that of a minx? You can't.

Go hug a cow for me, will ya?

LoganCharles · Sep 12, 2004, 05:19 PM

So does this chick have a thing against wearing pants too?

Nonetheless I'd like to give her a taste of my italian sausage.

shmerek · Sep 12, 2004, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by LoganCharles:

So does this chick have a thing against wearing pants too?

Nonetheless I'd like to give her a taste of my italian sausage.

dirtbikephil · Sep 12, 2004, 08:35 PM

PETA is a collection of self-righteous idiots. They're so annoying and have nothing better to do.

phoenixboy70 · 04:52 AM

Originally posted by TETENAL:
It seems that one journalist was injured at the eye. Doesn't matter what the "fake blood" can do or not.

yes, "seems" like it. wait a couple of weeks and let the smoke settle. i've got a hunch that the accusations will not stand and the case will be dropped.

Originally posted by TETENAL:
So people who vandalise and injure people get a thumbsup from you?

people who take a strong stand against cruelty to animals do, yes. the "injuring" people part is problematic.

Originally posted by TETENAL:
No use is absolutely necessary for survival of mankind, but it's not never to change.

i'm pretty sure it will. thanks to many many efforts by people who raise awareness to the treatment of these animals, the use of "real" fur has been greatly reduced.

Originally posted by TETENAL:
It is possible to hold animals according to species. Not all fur producers and creators are criminals.

according to the "law", no. but depending on your definition of "crime", one could certainly see their activities as being "criminal behaviour".

Originally posted by TETENAL:
But I don't think that all production animals are treated cruel.

most of them are though.

phoenixboy70 · Sep 13, 2004, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
So play along, what should I do if I killed by cat? Life?

eerrr. huh?

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
I wouldn't kill my cat, but he's certainly no human with a life.

no, it's a cat with a life, which is SIMILAR to human life in many many respects.

phoenixboy70 · Sep 13, 2004, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by LoganCharles:
No need to be insulting.

Originally posted by LoganCharles:
Go hug a cow for me, will ya?