[zen jihad]

Well, not unexpected when it comes from the mouths of these maniacs, but it's surprising how much clout they have in Israel today.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...0BC803DE57.htm

[CreepingDeth]

Eh…I wouldn't trust anything from their propaganda…or from a guy who believes Bush planned 9/11.

[Ratm]

I was just reading this today (haven't finished). Seems like they're sticking to the plan.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/oralhist/wright.htm

The second step was that this Jewish state must be in Palestine. This is the sacred home of the people; its literature was developed there, and their attitude was that Judaism cannot survive in any other place except Palestine itself. That's where it grew and germinated, and it's got to get back there in order to save itself. Otherwise, Jews are going to assimilate in other countries. Herzl himself made the statement that, when the Jewish state is set up, if a Jew does not go to live in it he is anti-Semitic because he chooses to live with Gentiles rather than live with Jews which are his real community.


I got all these ideas through talking with people who were Zionists. The third step in Zionism was that they must have large enough a state in order to keep the whole Jewish population there. At that time there were about fourteen million Jews, and now that meant owning a very large territory. It is not brought out in Zionist propaganda in America, but what they claim is all the territory from the Suez Canal clear north to the mountains of Cappadocia, in southern Turkey. [Statement by Herzl. Also see Numbers 34; Genesis 15:18, Joshua 13, II Samuel 8:5-6.} It includes all of Lebanon, much of Syria, Jordan, and Sinai. This is the territory they call "Eretz Israel," the land of Israel, which is mentioned in the Bible.

Disgusting.

From the linked report.

Since the outbreak of the second Palestinian intifada or uprising four years ago, Kach terrorists have killed scores of Arab civilians.

Those caught by the Israeli authorities usually received symbolic or light prison sentences._The_bulk of the_perpetrators are allowed to remain at large.

[angaq0k]

Originally posted by Ratm:
I was just reading this today (haven't finished). Seems like they're sticking to the plan.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/oralhist/wright.htm




Disgusting.

From the linked report.

Imposssible!

Israel is our friend!!!!

[shmerek]

"Our party calls for cleansing the region extending from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean from the Goyem [derogatory for non-Jews] and thus guaranteeing a Jewish majority of no less than 90% throughout the Land of Israel,"

nice.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by angaq0k:
Imposssible!

Israel is our friend!!!!

I know, those Jews are fascists! Our friends are the suicide bombers!

[Logic]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
I know, those Jews are fascists! Our friends are the suicide bombers!

Is it possible for you to stay on topic and tell us your opinion on this party and it's plan?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by zen jihad:
aljazeera

[vmarks]

Trusting the Arab Press on Israeli government matters is pretty much swallowing propaganda hook-line-and-sinker.

Kach is not a new party. Rabbi Meir Kahane formed the Kach party in 1971 and ran in the 1980 Knesset election. Kach, called for the transfer of Israel’s Arab population to other Arab lands. In 1984, Rabbi Kahane won his first Knesset seat; however, he was banned from running for office in 1988 and Kach was outlawed because of its racist and anti-democratic platform. (now that's un-democratic! outlawing political parties you don't like!)

Kach is not, and cannot be on the ballot. The policies of transfer are not being implemented. Find some other conspiracy to stir up.

May I suggest the "man causes penis to shrink with handshake?"

DAKAR, Senegal-- Vigilante mobs convinced that foreign sorcerers can shrink a man's genitals with a mere handshake have killed eight people in Senegal in the past week.


Attackers killed five people at Ziguinghor in southern Senegal after a man accused one of them of making his penis shrink, newspapers reported Friday. At least three other people were killed in the West African nation's capital, Dakar.


More than 30 other people have been seriously injured in the mob attacks, in which vigilantes have beaten, stabbed and in at least one case burned their victims.


Belief in black magic and evil spells runs strong in West Africa, and the rampant rumors have created a ``collective psychosis'' leading to mob attacks, said Dakar psychologist Mamadou Mboj.


Source: Associated Press, 04 Aug. 1997

[voyageur]

It's real. From the US Navy's own web site on terrorist groups:
http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/kach.htm

Stated goal is to restore the biblical state of Israel. Kach (founded by radical Israeli- American rabbi Meir Kahane) and its offshoot Kahane Chai, which means ÒKahane Lives,Ó (founded by Meir KahaneÕs son Binyamin following his fatherÕs assassination in the United States) were declared terrorist organizations in March 1994 by the Israeli Cabinet under the 1948 Terrorism Law. This followed the groupsÕ statements in support of Dr. Baruch GoldsteinÕs attack in February 1994 on the al-Ibrahimi MosqueÑ Goldstein was affiliated with KachÑand their verbal attacks on the Israeli Government. Palestinian gunmen killed Binyamin Kahane and his wife in a drive-by shooting in December 2000 in the West Bank. Kahane Chai and Kach were first designated separately in October 1997.

The group has organized protests against the Israeli Government. Kach has harassed and threatened Arabs, Palestinians, and Israeli Government officials. Has vowed revenge for the deaths of Binyamin Kahane and his wife. Suspected of involvement in a number of low-level attacks since the start of the al-Aqsa intifadh.

Receives support from sympathizers in the United States and Europe.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by voyageur:
It's real. From the US Navy's own web site on terrorist groups:
http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/kach.htm

And been outlawed in Israel since 1988.

What precisely is your point? It cannot be a part of the political process. It's followers are nearly nil because it is outlawed.

[voyageur]

Yes, thankfully it has been outlawed.
My response was to another poster who seemed to doubt its existence.

[vmarks]

A bunch of fruitcakes who tried to gain political power and failed, and then became impotent in terms of action as well as political power. Being outlawed and treated as terrorists tends to do that.

The truth is, Palestinians are the ones expelling and repelling Christians. Bethlehem and Nazareth (predominantly Christian cities if there ever were) were over 80% Christian at the beginning of the 20th century. They are now less than 2% Christian, and I'll clue you in, it wasn't Israel that drove them out.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by vmarks:
Trusting the Arab Press on Israeli government matters is pretty much swallowing propaganda hook-line-and-sinker.

Agreed. The Arab press isn't almost as full of propaganda on Israeli matters as the Israeli press is on Arab matters.

[CreepingDeth]

Oh, they exist, and are a bunch of asses for their viewpoint, but don't equate this to Israel in general. As vmarks said, they're not allowed to influence elections.
The difference between these nuts and Palestinian terror is that it is state sponsored. These people are not.

[vmarks]

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Oh, they exist, and are a bunch of asses for their viewpoint, but don't equate this to Israel in general. As vmarks said, they're not allowed to influence elections.
The difference between these nuts and Palestinian terror is that it is state sponsored. These people are not.

Which state sponsors Palestinian terror?

(by the way, "Never. Again." has a very different meaning from "Never again."

[Ratm]

Originally posted by vmarks:
A bunch of terrorists

Fixed!

(why was my original post deleted?)

[Ratm]

Originally posted by vmarks:

Wake up! You're living a pipe dream. I can't wait for the day reality smacks these people up side the head. I'll have the popcorn popping!

[vmarks]

http://www.ict.org.il/inter_ter/orgdet.cfm?orgid=19

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Ratm:
Wake up! You're living a pipe dream. I can't wait for the day reality smacks these people up side the head. I'll have the popcorn popping!

Popping popcorn for suicide bombers?
Build a wall. Keep the terrorists out.
Arafat is a terrorist. Hope he gets a missile. Too bad he isn't in a wheelchair, so the media can't do much of a sob story for the bastard.

[PacHead]

All I have to add to this thread is: Kill all Palestinian terrorists dead.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by Ratm:
Wake up! You're living a pipe dream. I can't wait for the day reality smacks these people up side the head. I'll have the popcorn popping!

Ah, so. You'd rather sit back and entertain yourself than see people defend themselves from people who choose not to police themselves. At least Israel outlaws, polices, and locks away citizens who commit crimes as a few (very few) Kach people did.

[Ratm]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Popping popcorn for suicide bombers?
Build a wall. Keep the terrorists out.
Arafat is a terrorist. Hope he gets a missile. Too bad he isn't in a wheelchair, so the media can't do much of a sob story for the bastard.

Did I say all that? That's more your way of thinking, not mine. It's interesting to see where you went with it... you people are crazy.

[Ratm]

Originally posted by vmarks:
Ah, so. You'd rather sit back and entertain yourself than see people defend themselves from people who choose not to police themselves. At least Israel outlaws, polices, and locks away citizens who commit crimes as a few (very few) Kach people did.

You did delete my post earlier didn't you. Few? And how would you know exactly how many people this group killed? You sound like sympathizer to me.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Ratm:
Did I say all that? That's more your way of thinking, not mine. It's interesting to see where you went with it... you people are crazy.

I recall the amount of suicide bombings going down…if there's any correlation.
I just followed the logic. You disagree with the wall, which defends Israel and has kept many bombings from happening.


BTW, Rage Against the Machine sucks if that's what the acronym is.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Ratm:
You did delete my post earlier didn't you. Few? And how would you know exactly how many people this group killed? You sound like sympathizer to me.

You sound like a Palestinian terrorist sympathizer.

[vmarks]

Crazy? Saving lives from people who would and have fired point blank into mothers and infants seatbelted into cars. Saving lives from people who regularly fire Qassam missiles into villages inside pre1967 borders. Saving lives from people who throw concrete blocks through windshields of cars as they pass by. Saving lives from people whose every intention is to blow up school children.

Yeah, man, that's just crazy. Building a wall rather than leading an offensive with full-on tank and air strike around the clock? Crazy. So much for defending life.

When the terrorists love their children as much as we love ours, they will stop sending them as bombs.

[Ratm]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:


BTW, Rage Against the Machine sucks if that's what the acronym is.

lol predictable. I'm just amazed they way you two try and twist everything. Reap what you sow.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by Ratm:
You did delete my post earlier didn't you. Few? And how would you know exactly how many people this group killed? You sound like sympathizer to me.

Paranoid?

I provided the link to show the history of them and their actions. We know when and where, and what result their few attacks had. We also know that the actors in those attacks were convicted, and the group outlawed.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Ratm:
lol predictable. I'm just amazed they way you two try and twist everything. Reap what you sow.

Didn't answer the question. I can't think of another set of words for that acronym. Is it Tom's band or not?
Besides, what's wrong with two pro-Israel people debating pro-Arafat people?

[dcmacdaddy]

Let them. Let's what happens to their economy when a big chunk of their working class
(the arab Muslims) are gone. Let's see how they make the country work then, shall we?

[Ratm]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Didn't answer the question. I can't think of another set of words for that acronym. Is it Tom's band or not?
Besides, what's wrong with two pro-Israel people debating pro-Arafat people?

It's Zack De La Rocha's band not Tom. And Rage Against The Machine is the best ****ing group to ever grace this Earth!.


http://www.zdlr.net/

download March of Death and We Want It All

[Ratm]

March of Death

I was born with the voice of a riot, a storm
lightening the function, the form, far from the norm
I won't follow like cattle, I'm more like the catalyst
calm in the mix of battle
who let the cowboy o_n the saddle? He don't know a
missle from a gavel;
para terror troopin flippin loops of death upon innocent flesh
but I'm back in the cipher my foes and friends, witha verse and a pen
against a line I won't toe or defend, instead I curse at murderous men
in suits of professionals who act like animals
this man child, ruthless and wild
who gonna chain this beast back o_n the leash?
this Texas furor, for sure a, compassionless con who
serve a , lethal needle to the poor, the cure for crime is murder?
on the left, left, right, left
but it's just a march of death
I read the news today, oh boy, a snap shot of a midnight ploy
vexed and powerless, devoured my hours I'm motionless with no rest
'cause a scream now holds the sky, under another high-tech driveby
a lie is a lie this God is an eagle or a condor for war nothing more
Islam peace, Islam stare into my eye brother please off our knees
to beef now we feed their disease, interlocked our hands across seas
what is a flag but a shroud out loud, and outside my window is a faceless crowd
'cause a cowering child just took her last breath, o_n snare in the march of death
on the left, left, right, left
but it's just a march of death
here it comes the sound of terror from above
he flex his Texas twisted tongue
the poor lined up to kill in desert slums
for oil that burn beneath the desert sun
now we spit flame to flip this game
we are his targets taking aim
we're the targets taking aim
all his targets are taking aim

[Zimphire]

How pretentious.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
How pretentious.

What? I think it's cute, all "angsty" and such. Pitiful and sad, but cute... in a pathetic sort of way.

[zen jihad]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Who's laughing now?

[zen jihad]

The fact that these groups exist, and has influence over certain parts of Israeli politics, is enough to worry some people. Saying they're benign is akin to thinking the world is flat.

Anyway, I hope this lets people realise that evil-minded people exist on both sides of the argument.

[Logic]

So what do you pro-Zionists think about this proposal? You've tried to deflect the issue(like usual), you've tried to minimise the horrors committed by members of this group(like usual), and you've tried blaming the Palestinians(like usual), but will you actually tell us your opinion of this proposal of theirs?

oh, and vmarks. Before you try to shift more blame and tell us how horrible the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims are perhaps you should tell your friends here some things about a "martyr" called Baruch Goldstein.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Logic:
Before you try to shift more blame and tell us how horrible the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims are perhaps you should tell your friends here some things about a "martyr" called Baruch Goldstein.

One lone guy, in something that happened ages ago, that's probably all you can bring up, as opposed to the loonies on the other side, where there are daily crazies commiting attacks.

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
One lone guy, in something that happened ages ago, that's probably all you can bring up, as opposed to the loonies on the other side, where there are daily crazies commiting attacks.

Of course you can't condemn that. It's more important to shift the focus onto the Palestinians. But daily attacks? So you'd say that the apartheid wall isn't working?

[zen jihad]

Originally posted by PacHead:
One lone guy, in something that happened ages ago, that's probably all you can bring up, as opposed to the loonies on the other side, where there are daily crazies commiting attacks.

Or do you mean, crazed Settlers, living on illegal settlements firing on Palestinians on a weekly basis? You may say, 'well, they are defending themselves'. But in that case, the Palestinians have every right to try to expell settlers from illegaly held land, by force if necessary.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Logic:
Of course you can't condemn that. It's more important to shift the focus onto the Palestinians. But daily attacks? So you'd say that the apartheid wall isn't working?

Where did I write I didn't condemn it ? Of course I condemn that, and so do most people, as opposed to the other side, where primitives dance around in the streets, screaming like crazies, and passing out candies whenever some pregnant women are blown up.

The security barrier/fence is working just fine, as the number of succesfull attacks are way down. It is not completed in all areas yet, and the sickos are still going to try of course to get through it. Calling it an "apartheid wall" is false and untrue. Keeping sick murderers and depraved people out is common sense. Let 'em blow themselves up on the other side, if they get bored.

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Where did I write I didn't condemn it ? Of course I condemn that, and so do most people, as opposed to the other side, where primitives dance around in the streets, screaming like crazies, and passing out candies whenever some pregnant women are blown up.

The security barrier/fence is working just fine, as the number of succesfull attacks are way down. It is not completed in all areas yet, and the sickos are still going to try of course to get through it. Calling it an "apartheid wall" is false and untrue. Keeping sick murderers and depraved people out is common sense. Let 'em blow themselves up on the other side, if they get bored.

Are you going to say anything about the topic at hand? If not I'm gonna let you continue your rambling.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Logic:
Are you going to say anything about the topic at hand? If not I'm gonna let you continue your rambling.

Seems as if you are the one rambling, since you claimed I did not condemn something, when I had in fact not said anything about it. Don't put words into other people's mouths, or you might as well just stand in front of a mirror and debate yourself.

As for the topic at hand, I don't see any problems. I don't believe that group is any big deal, and they don't really interest me, seeing that none of their plans will happen.

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
As for the topic at hand, I don't see any problems. I don't believe that group is any big deal, and they don't really interest me, seeing that none of their plans will happen.

Just as Al Qaida's plan of world domination(if that is their goal) will never happen. But that is of interest to you?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Logic:
Just as Al Qaida's plan of world domination(if that is their goal) will never happen. But that is of interest to you?

Yes, killer muslims who want me dead interest me. You go worry about some small group in Israel who would like to kick a few people out, if that is of great interest to you.

[Logic]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Yes, killer muslims who want me dead interest me. You go worry about some small group in Israel who would like to kick a few people out, if that is of great interest to you.

A few?

In Israel there are 1.3 million non-Jewish people.

In Palestine there are ca. 3.5 million non-Jewish people

So in total we are talking about at least 4.8 million people. A few people? Disgusting.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by zen jihad:
Who's laughing now?

Er.. me still?

You posted a aljazeera site and expected us to take it seriously.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Logic:
you've tried to minimise the horrors committed by members of this group(like usual),

No, we take them how they are. You try to exaggerate them.

and you've tried blaming the Palestinians(like usual),

Because like usual, they are at fault.

Again, facts are if the Palestinians would have come to the agreement with Israel to STOP the terrorist attacks non of this would be going on. No wall would have been built. Most of the land Israel took after wars would be given back.

But that isn't how the Palestinian terrorists wants it.