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deedar · Sep 13, 2004, 02:07 PM

For the life of me, I do not understand why the events in Iraq are apparently driving so many towards supporting bush in the name of national security. It seems to me that the current events, which are apparently spiraling out of control would drive more people away from bush and his cronies who are responsible for getting us into this mess and creating an even greater threat to our security. What gives?

Spoogepieces · Sep 13, 2004, 02:11 PM

It's such a quagmire. At this rate it will be 57 years before the number of deaths = those in the Vietnam war.

That's it, I'm turning in my card.

dcolton · Sep 13, 2004, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Spoogepieces:
It's such a quagmire. At this rate it will be 57 years before the number of deaths = those in the Vietnam war.

That's it, I'm turning in my card.

Excellent. Remember right after 9/11 when everyone was screaming for retribution? Remember, despite the debate, most Americans were for the Iraqi war? What happened?

Oh...politics as usual. Damn shameful of the liberal dogs to try to capitalize on the death of American soldiers in order to elect a guy who voted for this war.

djohnson · Sep 13, 2004, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Spoogepieces:
It's such a quagmire. At this rate it will be 57 years before the number of deaths = those in the Vietnam war.

That's it, I'm turning in my card.

Oh no!!!!

PacHead · Sep 13, 2004, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by dcolton:
Excellent. Remember right after 9/11 when everyone was screaming for retribution? Remember, despite the debate, most Americans were for the Iraqi war? What happened?

Oh...politics as usual. Damn shameful of the liberal dogs to try to capitalize on the death of American soldiers in order to elect a guy who voted for this war.

Yes, the left is shameful, and cowardly.

They've only had one dude in the last 25 years actually win.

I figure it will go another 25 years, before we see any leftist appeasers in the white house.
They should have gotten used to it by now.

deedar · Sep 13, 2004, 02:23 PM

Is that the best you have to offer? Ridicule?

Spoogepieces · Sep 13, 2004, 02:26 PM

Call me when it really is a quagmire or a disaster.

Zimphire · Sep 13, 2004, 02:37 PM

Oooh the drama...

DISASTER, QUAGMIRE, and other extreme words that don't fit.

phoenixboy70 · 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Spoogepieces:
Call me when it really is a quagmire or a disaster.

your phone's ringing.

iraq is the biggest "quagmire" in recent history.

PacHead · Sep 13, 2004, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
you're phone's ringing.

Wrong number. . . . .

phoenixboy70 · Sep 13, 2004, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Wrong number. . . . .

wrong answer...

Zimphire · Sep 13, 2004, 03:05 PM

Actually it was a pretty funny answer.

dcolton · Sep 13, 2004, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Actually it was a pretty funny answer.

Both ways, glad pheonix boy could finally contribute

Spoogepieces · Sep 13, 2004, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
you're phone's ringing.

Sorry, nobody's here to take your call. Please call back in 56 years.

phoenixboy70 · Sep 13, 2004, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Spoogepieces:
Sorry, nobody's here to take your call. Please call back in 56 years.

is that how long it's gonna take you to finally realize what's going on in iraq?

phoenixboy70 · Sep 13, 2004, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Actually it was a pretty funny answer.

yeah, craptacular!

Spoogepieces · Sep 13, 2004, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
is that how long it's gonna take you to finally realize what's going on in iraq?

That's how long it will take before it could be considered a quagmire.

spacefreak · Sep 13, 2004, 03:27 PM

Yup... liberals are so upset at the loss of life, so much so that they and their beloved UN are willing to let thousands of Sudanese die each month. while they take their sweet ass time conducting "studies"...

Up to 10,000 people, many of them children, are dying each month from disease and violence in Darfur camps, despite the international aid effort in the vast and arid region, the World Health Organization (news - web sites) said Monday.

A study of settlements in the west and the north of the conflict ridden region, carried out by the United Nations (news - web sites) health agency, pointed to a monthly toll of 6,000-10,000 out of a displaced population of 1.2 million, it said.

Meanwhile, Powell and the Bush Administration are practically beggin the UN to step up and help the situation...

"We can't operate alone in this one. This is where we do need the international community," Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said on ABC's "This Week."

He said the Bush administration is seeking support for expansion of an African Union monitoring force now building in Sudan. The United States also has asked the U.N. Security Council "to begin considering whether or not sanctions are appropriate to put more pressure and to cause Sudan to behave properly," Powell said.

Once agreement is reached on a way to augment the force, she said, the United States and others are prepared "to help get them there." She left unclear whether U.S. money or logistical help like transportation would be necessary.

Raids by government soldiers and the Janjaweed militias have killed 30,000 people and left 1.2 million homeless in 19 months. The United Nations considers it the world's worst current humanitarian crisis.

Powell caused a stir Thursday with testimony in Congress that the chaos in the west of Africa's largest country amounts to genocide by the government-backed ethnic Arab militias against the region's black African Sudanese.

deedar · Sep 13, 2004, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Oooh the drama...

DISASTER, QUAGMIRE, and other extreme words that don't fit.

Typically, words out of your mouth don't fit. Neither quagmire nor disaster were used in the article.

PacHead · Sep 13, 2004, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Yup... liberals are so upset at the loss of life, so much so that they and their beloved UN are willing to let thousands of Sudanese die each month. while they take their sweet ass time conducting "studies"...
Meanwhile, Powell and the Bush Administration are practically beggin the UN to step up and help the situation...

I believe the situation in the Sudan has now indeed been labelled GENOCIDE by the USA.

The UN is the same incompetant people that liberals/lefties love, and they think we should get their permission inorder to defend ourselves. We'd all be six feet under by that time. I wouldn't trust them for anything.

The whole Sudan situation is disgraceful, and yet another proof of the inability and impotence of the world community and the UN.

placebo1969 · Sep 13, 2004, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
you're phone's ringing.

iraq is the biggest "quagmire" in recent history.

Shouldn't it be "your"

phoenixboy70 · Sep 13, 2004, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by placebo1969:
Shouldn't it be "your"

fixed.

phoenixboy70 · Sep 13, 2004, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Spoogepieces:
That's how long it will take before it could be considered a quagmire.

it didn't even take 57 days to turn into one. the puppet govt. is far from functional, people are victims of terrorist/us army/insurgent fightings and ambushes every day. no jobs, no decent medical facilities, the police and "army" have no control over anything...

yup, looks like atotal quagmire. another afghanistan.

RAILhead · Sep 13, 2004, 04:32 PM

deedar · Sep 13, 2004, 05:25 PM

Winning the hearts and minds...

tie · Sep 13, 2004, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Yup... liberals are so upset at the loss of life, so much so that they and their beloved UN are willing to let thousands of Sudanese die each month. while they take their sweet ass time conducting "studies"...

Not sure who you think is president. Are you saying Bush is a liberal? If not, then why aren't you blaming Bush for doing nothing?

And I'm not sure what you are comparing anyway. Are you saying we shouldn't be concerned with Americans dying in Iraq because Sudanese are dying faster? Why are you attacking "liberals" for caring about American soldiers?

tie · Sep 13, 2004, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by dcolton:
Excellent. Remember right after 9/11 when everyone was screaming for retribution? Remember, despite the debate, most Americans were for the Iraqi war? What happened?

Oh...politics as usual. Damn shameful of the liberal dogs to try to capitalize on the death of American soldiers in order to elect a guy who voted for this war.

The "liberal dogs"? Grow up.

Bush started the Iraq war and it is certainly a legitimate political issue. So is national security in general. E.g., it is certainly fair for Cheney to say that Bush will keep in place a stronger national security policy than Kerry, reducing the risk of terrorism -- and give examples to back it up. (He just needs to watch his words: saying something like a vote for Kerry is a vote for the terrorists is not okay.)

deedar · Sep 14, 2004, 01:26 AM

More good news. Thanks, George.

Zimphire · Sep 14, 2004, 01:29 AM

it's only going to get worse before it gets better.

You break a few eggs making omelets.

etc..

Same thing applies here.

I still say Bush Sr should have done in back in 91. It would have been cleaner.

Had Clinton "finished the job" it would have been as well.

Spoogepieces · Sep 14, 2004, 04:55 AM

I'm thinking we should have just left Saddam in power. That way more Iraqis would be dying and the #$@@#$@ pussy assed liberals would then be whining about how we aren't doing a goddamned thing to help them.

dcolton · Sep 14, 2004, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by tie:
The "liberal dogs"? Grow up.

Bush started the Iraq war and it is certainly a legitimate political issue. So is national security in general. E.g., it is certainly fair for Cheney to say that Bush will keep in place a stronger national security policy than Kerry, reducing the risk of terrorism -- and give examples to back it up. (He just needs to watch his words: saying something like a vote for Kerry is a vote for the terrorists is not okay.)

Bush didn't start the Iraqi War. Killer muslims declaring war on the United States by flying planes into the WTC and the Pentagon started this war. We are just eliminating the terrorists and their 'leaders'.

Zimphire · Sep 14, 2004, 09:36 AM

"He (Saddam), and he alone, will be to blame for the consequences."

Bill Clinton